Comments on: A Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/ 80beats is DISCOVER's news aggregator, weaving together the choicest tidbits from the best articles covering the day\'s most compelling topics. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:09:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: lambart Godfrey http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-14807 lambart Godfrey Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:38:41 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-14807 DUNCAN ELVIS SOLAR GARAGE PO BOX 33833 KAMPALA UGANDA PLOT 2-4 INDUSTRIAL AREA TEL:256782-493743 FAX:256414-345597 ATTN GODFREY LAMBART ATTN TO THE SALES DEPARTMENT RE: PURCHASE OF SOLAR PANELS GEN SETS ETC We are a Company in uganda dealing in the above mentioned items . For that matter we would like to get a price quotation C&F Entebbe International Airport Uganda. Avail us with the price in US$ to enable us give you our order. we are required to supply them to an organisation here in Uganda (we won a tender to supply these items for a period of 3 years. We hope ouR request will meet your kind approval and avail us with the requested information as soon as you are ready with it. Hope to get the reply ASAP. Rgds lambart Godfrey DUNCAN ELVIS SOLAR GARAGE

PO BOX 33833 KAMPALA UGANDA

PLOT 2-4 INDUSTRIAL AREA

TEL:256782-493743

FAX:256414-345597

ATTN GODFREY LAMBART

ATTN TO THE SALES DEPARTMENT

RE: PURCHASE OF SOLAR PANELS GEN SETS ETC

We are a Company in uganda dealing in the above mentioned items .
For that matter we would like to get a price quotation C&F Entebbe International Airport Uganda.
Avail us with the price in US$ to enable us give you our order. we are required to supply them to an organisation here in Uganda (we won a tender to supply these items for a period of 3 years.
We hope ouR request will meet your kind approval and avail us with the requested information as soon as you are ready with it.
Hope to get the reply ASAP.
Rgds
lambart Godfrey

]]> By: A Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe « The Manic Ramblings Of A Swede http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-14405 A Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe « The Manic Ramblings Of A Swede Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:35:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-14405 [...] Original site. [...] […] Original site. […]

]]> By: Jacob http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-10687 Jacob Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:36:57 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-10687 this is a good idea just one problem what side of the sahara and how far into the desert and one question who is funding this project? this is a good idea just one problem what side of the sahara and how far into the desert and one question who is funding this project?

]]> By: radiant electric heat http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-10461 radiant electric heat Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:28:24 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-10461 <strong>radiant electric heat</strong> Good post. I am looking into these issues on my blog. radiant electric heat

Good post. I am looking into these issues on my blog.

]]> By: Ken Howard http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2686 Ken Howard Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:00:16 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2686 Written By: Ken Howard 8-5-2008 Hey Friends & Countrymen! This report isn't just about SOLAR POWER, it's about a PROVEN, EXISTING, Power Plant Technology already in Commercial Use in Spain that requires NO Hydrocarbon Fuels of ANY type, NO NUCLEAR Fuel, or ANY type of current Fuels that we use in other types of Power Plants, and the best part is, it emits ZERO POLLUTANTS & ZERO WASTE, it's called a RADIANT THERMAL SOLAR ENERGY TOWER POWER PLANT, and it works even when there is NO SUN! RAIN or SHINE, CLOUDY or SUNNY, it DELIVERS VAST AMOUNTS OF RELIABLE & CONSISTENT ENERGY! A 200-megawatt Solar Tower would cost about a billion dollars to build, and the Solar Tower would generate enough electricity for 200,000 homes 24 x 7, 365 Days Per Year!. It looks like a giant smokestack, however, it releases ZERO noxious fumes; no NOX, no CO2 and NO other by products of combustion or Hazardous waste. According to a 2005 industry report, this would imply about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour, which is roughly a third of the cost of electricity generated from all other current solar cell technology and roughly the same cost to build as conventionally fueled Power Plants such as Coal, Gas or Oil and a fraction of what a Nuclear Plant cost to build and OPERATE! Translation; this means that this PROVEN "Large Scale" Power Generation technology beats all other Power Generation "HANDS DOWN" from EVERY SINGLE ANGLE that we annalyzed it from! SEE THE TECHNOLOGY ALREADY WORKING IN SPAIN AT THESE LINKS BELOW! Solar Tower DELIVERS 100% POWER IN RAIN, SHINE or NIGHT! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sOtLOcsVO8g SOLAR ENERGY TOWER, Madrid Spain: Works Night & Day! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGVTYtJEFk SOLAR TOWER USED TO CREATE ELECTRICITY or HYDROGEN PRODUCTION! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Tx_mfvGG0 Solar Tower Energy: Works Night & Day! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0tWlP0knKQU Written By: Ken Howard
8-5-2008

Hey Friends & Countrymen!

This report isn’t just about SOLAR POWER, it’s about a PROVEN, EXISTING, Power Plant Technology already in Commercial Use in Spain that requires NO Hydrocarbon Fuels of ANY type, NO NUCLEAR Fuel, or ANY type of current Fuels that we use in other types of Power Plants, and the best part is, it emits ZERO POLLUTANTS & ZERO WASTE, it’s called a RADIANT THERMAL SOLAR ENERGY TOWER POWER PLANT, and it works even when there is NO SUN!

RAIN or SHINE, CLOUDY or SUNNY, it DELIVERS VAST AMOUNTS OF RELIABLE & CONSISTENT ENERGY!

A 200-megawatt Solar Tower would cost about a billion dollars to build, and the Solar Tower would generate enough electricity for 200,000 homes 24 x 7, 365 Days Per Year!. It looks like a giant smokestack, however, it releases ZERO noxious fumes; no NOX, no CO2 and NO other by products of combustion or Hazardous waste.

According to a 2005 industry report, this would imply about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour, which is roughly a third of the cost of electricity generated from all other current solar cell technology and roughly the same cost to build as conventionally fueled Power Plants such as Coal, Gas or Oil and a fraction of what a Nuclear Plant cost to build and OPERATE!

Translation; this means that this PROVEN “Large Scale” Power Generation technology beats all other Power Generation “HANDS DOWN” from EVERY SINGLE ANGLE that we annalyzed it from!

SEE THE TECHNOLOGY ALREADY WORKING IN SPAIN AT THESE LINKS BELOW!

Solar Tower DELIVERS 100% POWER IN RAIN, SHINE or NIGHT! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sOtLOcsVO8g

SOLAR ENERGY TOWER, Madrid Spain: Works Night & Day! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGVTYtJEFk

SOLAR TOWER USED TO CREATE ELECTRICITY or HYDROGEN PRODUCTION! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Tx_mfvGG0

Solar Tower Energy: Works Night & Day! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0tWlP0knKQU

]]> By: Free Energy Options - Wind & Solar Power - Renewable Energy. | 7Wins.eu http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2680 Free Energy Options - Wind & Solar Power - Renewable Energy. | 7Wins.eu Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:19:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2680 [...] you may be interested in Solar Power vs Wind Turbines for Renewable Energy | Home Improvement DIYA Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe | 80beats | Discover Magazine Tags &gt No Tags &lt This product is also listed in Business to Business Industrial Home & [...] […] you may be interested in Solar Power vs Wind Turbines for Renewable Energy | Home Improvement DIYA Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe | 80beats | Discover Magazine Tags &gt No Tags &lt This product is also listed in Business to Business Industrial Home & […]

]]> By: Jane Carter http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2388 Jane Carter Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:53:25 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2388 It was obvious thirty years ago that the Sahara Desert could supply all the solar power the world needs. Our hotel in Prague uses vast quantities of gas and electricity: it would be enormously helpful if we could use solar power, but unfortunately the weather isn't consistent enough. It was obvious thirty years ago that the Sahara Desert could supply all the solar power the world needs. Our hotel in Prague uses vast quantities of gas and electricity: it would be enormously helpful if we could use solar power, but unfortunately the weather isn’t consistent enough.

]]> By: shameonyou http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2322 shameonyou Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:43:32 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2322 How interesting that this article fails to mention the actual people in whose countries this plant would be placed in, and what they might think of this wonderful plan. They don't count according to the author of this article nor apparently do their leaders have any say in the matter. Apparently Sarkozy and Gordon Brown get to decide what will happen in these foreign country on another continent. Disgusting neocolonial racists! Your time of leeching the resources of oppressed people all around the world is coming to an end. Be assured of that. How interesting that this article fails to mention the actual people in whose countries this plant would be placed in, and what they might think of this wonderful plan. They don’t count according to the author of this article nor apparently do their leaders have any say in the matter. Apparently Sarkozy and Gordon Brown get to decide what will happen in these foreign country on another continent.
Disgusting neocolonial racists! Your time of leeching the resources of oppressed people all around the world is coming to an end. Be assured of that.

]]> By: Linksammlung Energie « Ralphs Piratenblog http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2134 Linksammlung Energie « Ralphs Piratenblog Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:37:15 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2134 [...] A Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe [...] […] A Solar Power Plant in the Sahara Could Power All of Europe […]

]]> By: Bob of Alameda CA http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2015 Bob of Alameda CA Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:42:26 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2015 Naysaysers: "what about night" and "what about 3 days of little sunlight?". E-storage is trivial on such small scales. Compressed air in unused mines. Lifting coastal seawater to artificial reservoirs a few hundred meters up coastal valleys when the terrain allows ... trivial. 90% energy recovery too. "supergrid will lose more to resistance". Nope. Just use more aluminum in the wires. Resistance (and corona discharge) are easiest things to cut: higher voltages, thicker wires, better insulation. "geothermal" - is very expensive to drill down far enough (except for Iceland) to get reasonably high temps. "wind" is capricious, to be sure. But it is also quite powerful, especially in the desert. Reread the "storage is easy" argument. Further, remind yourself that countries such as Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain ... are heavily "baseline" powered by nuclear energy. That's not going to change - indeed, it is being expanded. In essence, ALL the arguments against wind-and-solar having to do either with duty-cycle (daytime only) or capriciousness (wind) are settled by another reality: instead of trying to load-average as is current practice over the course of the day (with optional things done at night, including heavy industry), "following the sun" is just as practical, where one concentrates energy usage TOWARD the middle of the day. People would be encouraged (not discouraged) to run air-conditioners, washing machines, car-rechargers (huge), and industry would be encouraged to do all its heavy electriciy use in the day. It is thought that 100% of the "baseline" of Europe could be satisfied with 50% of its current nukes, the balance made up by wind - if done this way. I tire of the whining about being unable to store the energy. Let's just use it when its available! No harder "imposition" than trying to load-average as is the current fad toward the wee hours of the night. GoatGuy Naysaysers:

“what about night” and “what about 3 days of little sunlight?”. E-storage is trivial on such small scales. Compressed air in unused mines. Lifting coastal seawater to artificial reservoirs a few hundred meters up coastal valleys when the terrain allows … trivial. 90% energy recovery too.

“supergrid will lose more to resistance”. Nope. Just use more aluminum in the wires. Resistance (and corona discharge) are easiest things to cut: higher voltages, thicker wires, better insulation.

“geothermal” - is very expensive to drill down far enough (except for Iceland) to get reasonably high temps.

“wind” is capricious, to be sure. But it is also quite powerful, especially in the desert. Reread the “storage is easy” argument.

Further, remind yourself that countries such as Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain … are heavily “baseline” powered by nuclear energy. That’s not going to change - indeed, it is being expanded.

In essence, ALL the arguments against wind-and-solar having to do either with duty-cycle (daytime only) or capriciousness (wind) are settled by another reality: instead of trying to load-average as is current practice over the course of the day (with optional things done at night, including heavy industry), “following the sun” is just as practical, where one concentrates energy usage TOWARD the middle of the day. People would be encouraged (not discouraged) to run air-conditioners, washing machines, car-rechargers (huge), and industry would be encouraged to do all its heavy electriciy use in the day. It is thought that 100% of the “baseline” of Europe could be satisfied with 50% of its current nukes, the balance made up by wind - if done this way.

I tire of the whining about being unable to store the energy. Let’s just use it when its available! No harder “imposition” than trying to load-average as is the current fad toward the wee hours of the night.

GoatGuy

]]> By: scott w http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2013 scott w Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:52:11 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2013 good read, i also found this: http://solarfeeds.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2705:utilities-vs-installers-in-the-solar-world&catid=80:80&Itemid=173 thoughts? good read, i also found this:

http://solarfeeds.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2705:utilities-vs-installers-in-the-solar-world&catid=80:80&Itemid=173

thoughts?

]]> By: Brian http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2001 Brian Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:00:10 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-2001 What about Geo-Thermal energy? Isnt it true that the deeper you go into the Earth's crust, the hotter it gets? Why not spend that money on developing a factory that produces geothermal rigs designed to be placed in the oceans all around the world. Unlimited Water + Unlimited Heat = Unlimited Energy. Minimizing impact on the environment and still 'Not Free' as maintanence and development would not meet it's apex for centuries. Which ever country builds these could be the new Saudia Arabia plundering the wealth of the world. Please, someone tell me, what is the average depth needed to boil water? What about Geo-Thermal energy? Isnt it true that the deeper you go into the Earth’s crust, the hotter it gets? Why not spend that money on developing a factory that produces geothermal rigs designed to be placed in the oceans all around the world. Unlimited Water + Unlimited Heat = Unlimited Energy. Minimizing impact on the environment and still ‘Not Free’ as maintanence and development would not meet it’s apex for centuries. Which ever country builds these could be the new Saudia Arabia plundering the wealth of the world. Please, someone tell me, what is the average depth needed to boil water?

]]> By: Randy http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-1970 Randy Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:24:13 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-1970 What happens at night? Assuming you can provide enough electrical energy during the day, to take care of needs, and store enough in some form, to continue supply at night, what happens when sunlight is gone for 3 days??? I hope they don't put all their eggs in this basket. What happens at night? Assuming you can provide enough electrical energy during the day, to take care of needs, and store enough in some form, to continue supply at night, what happens when sunlight is gone for 3 days??? I hope they don’t put all their eggs in this basket.

]]> By: Alan Keran http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-1859 Alan Keran Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:24:16 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-1859 Why couldn't an agreement be reached with the African union and the north African nations who hold sovereignty in the area to provide power north and south. It would have obvious economic benefits for both with the added humanitarian benefits for Africa. Any agreement of the sort over a shared power arrangement would surely eliminate the possibility of the project being used as a political pawn and would represent a far sounder investment of foreign aid assistance to the future sustainable development of Africa as a whole. Why couldn’t an agreement be reached with the African union and the north African nations who hold sovereignty in the area to provide power north and south.
It would have obvious economic benefits for both with the added humanitarian benefits for Africa.
Any agreement of the sort over a shared power arrangement would surely eliminate the possibility of the project being used as a political pawn and would represent a far sounder investment of foreign aid assistance to the future sustainable development of Africa as a whole.

]]> By: David Adams http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-1849 David Adams Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:31 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/23/a-solar-power-plant-in-the-sahara-could-power-all-of-europe/#comment-1849 The sun, from 90,000,000 miles away provides enough enerfy to power the entire European civilization - and yet is not a factor in 'global warming'? Why can't the same 'solar array' power all of North Africa? After all the Sahara does not belong to Europe. The sun, from 90,000,000 miles away provides enough enerfy to power the entire European civilization - and yet is not a factor in ‘global warming’?
Why can’t the same ’solar array’ power all of North Africa? After all the Sahara does not belong to Europe.

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