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	<title>Comments on: New Oxygen-Hydrogen Battery Could Be Key to Storing Solar Energy</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/</link>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-15256</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comcy:  "Where are you going to put the excess gas/energy?"

There are also some very promising ideas on the drawing board for safe ways to store Hydrogen.  One example would be a Lithium Hydride (LiH).  Either in battery or slurry, the LiH will absorb 5x its weight safely until a catalyst like heat or chem. reaction turns it back into a gas.  There are technologies coming which will solve the problem.  Stories like this only inspire others to try harder and work on solutions.

I?ve looked into small production ethanol in your ?back yard?.  Once upon a time that worked, almost everyone had an alcohol still in their back yard.  But today, can you trust that the people running the meth-lab down the street won?t blow up the neighborhood?

Yes technology exists for ad-hoc phone network.  But, at a 1 watt maximum antenna power, you?d have to trust the population to be dense enough to accommodate your long distance call.  If you break down between Dickinson and Bismarck, can you trust that someone else on I-94 will be close enough to hand off your call to the next mobile phone?  That?s why we have a network of cell towers everywhere, and yes as a community we all pay for that infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comcy:  &#8220;Where are you going to put the excess gas/energy?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are also some very promising ideas on the drawing board for safe ways to store Hydrogen.  One example would be a Lithium Hydride (LiH).  Either in battery or slurry, the LiH will absorb 5x its weight safely until a catalyst like heat or chem. reaction turns it back into a gas.  There are technologies coming which will solve the problem.  Stories like this only inspire others to try harder and work on solutions.</p>
<p>I?ve looked into small production ethanol in your ?back yard?.  Once upon a time that worked, almost everyone had an alcohol still in their back yard.  But today, can you trust that the people running the meth-lab down the street won?t blow up the neighborhood?</p>
<p>Yes technology exists for ad-hoc phone network.  But, at a 1 watt maximum antenna power, you?d have to trust the population to be dense enough to accommodate your long distance call.  If you break down between Dickinson and Bismarck, can you trust that someone else on I-94 will be close enough to hand off your call to the next mobile phone?  That?s why we have a network of cell towers everywhere, and yes as a community we all pay for that infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: John Miranda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-3197</link>
		<dc:creator>John Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-3197</guid>
		<description>And what if the PV cells were @ 40.8% efficient, thus, increasing the solar power?  Would that help?  

If this is a "battery" in the traditional sense, can it be used to produce electricity directly in an electric car sans the fuel cell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what if the PV cells were @ 40.8% efficient, thus, increasing the solar power?  Would that help?  </p>
<p>If this is a &#8220;battery&#8221; in the traditional sense, can it be used to produce electricity directly in an electric car sans the fuel cell?</p>
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		<title>By: comcy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2582</link>
		<dc:creator>comcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2582</guid>
		<description>I agree with Rickshaw, a better cat does not mean the world suddenly became sustainable.
Let's say we have an affordable storage medium - Water as H2 and O2 gases. Where are you going to put that excess gas/energy? Are you going to compress it? There goes the energy you're trying to save. Liquify it? No way! Store it in free floating balloons? Cool, but that takes up a lot of space.

Don't want to shoot down someone else's progress report, but what America really needs is a free published batch method fuel alcohol that we can dump our lawn cuttings and waste food into. Something solar powered, something with a hopper at one end and fuel coming out the other that requires a small manual and just a bit of understanding as to the chemical processes going on inside. There are plenty of people and even universities working on projects close to this scale, which all have little or no funding. We are spending hundreds of billions on the Offense Budget (sorry, let's be politically correct Defense Budget), but we cannot find 1/2 million to put something like this together?

There is only one reason for this: We, systemically, have our priorities wrong. If an idea won't make money for someone right now or in the very short term, it does not get funded?

Or in a greater perspective, anything that promotes individual independence, living off the grid, or outside the box, it does not get funded. For example, an ad-hock mobile phone network that would not require service providers, just the phones we are all carrying with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rickshaw, a better cat does not mean the world suddenly became sustainable.<br />
Let&#8217;s say we have an affordable storage medium - Water as H2 and O2 gases. Where are you going to put that excess gas/energy? Are you going to compress it? There goes the energy you&#8217;re trying to save. Liquify it? No way! Store it in free floating balloons? Cool, but that takes up a lot of space.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t want to shoot down someone else&#8217;s progress report, but what America really needs is a free published batch method fuel alcohol that we can dump our lawn cuttings and waste food into. Something solar powered, something with a hopper at one end and fuel coming out the other that requires a small manual and just a bit of understanding as to the chemical processes going on inside. There are plenty of people and even universities working on projects close to this scale, which all have little or no funding. We are spending hundreds of billions on the Offense Budget (sorry, let&#8217;s be politically correct Defense Budget), but we cannot find 1/2 million to put something like this together?</p>
<p>There is only one reason for this: We, systemically, have our priorities wrong. If an idea won&#8217;t make money for someone right now or in the very short term, it does not get funded?</p>
<p>Or in a greater perspective, anything that promotes individual independence, living off the grid, or outside the box, it does not get funded. For example, an ad-hock mobile phone network that would not require service providers, just the phones we are all carrying with us.</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2365</guid>
		<description>Sorry forgot to tell ya to jump ahead about a min, the video wasnt clipped properly and they start off talkin about another car

:)

Art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry forgot to tell ya to jump ahead about a min, the video wasnt clipped properly and they start off talkin about another car</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Art</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2364</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2364</guid>
		<description>Well Im just simply happy for the fact that we as a global community are finally trying(that's the key word...trying)to find alternative technologies for the over burdened and destructive toxins we love to use.  Follow the link from Reuters which goes into a little more detail about the process, its not a full tech blog but it does state that the fuell cells we use now are very corrosive and expensive...this new tech will help to not only lower the costs but will be able to create a safe and environmentally friendly f-cell we can use, be it in a car, a house, or factory.

 Sure its not quite ready for commercial use, but its the first step forward and who knows, maybe 3 years from now they'll redevelop it into the Hydrogen Power Stations(these things do generate enough power to run half a city block, and it fits in GMs new hybrid car the Hy-Wire) check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrp9N1soo0o       
its 4mins in to the video(the blip runs for 30secs)but you should watch the whole clip, its about 6mins...very cool

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Im just simply happy for the fact that we as a global community are finally trying(that&#8217;s the key word&#8230;trying)to find alternative technologies for the over burdened and destructive toxins we love to use.  Follow the link from Reuters which goes into a little more detail about the process, its not a full tech blog but it does state that the fuell cells we use now are very corrosive and expensive&#8230;this new tech will help to not only lower the costs but will be able to create a safe and environmentally friendly f-cell we can use, be it in a car, a house, or factory.</p>
<p> Sure its not quite ready for commercial use, but its the first step forward and who knows, maybe 3 years from now they&#8217;ll redevelop it into the Hydrogen Power Stations(these things do generate enough power to run half a city block, and it fits in GMs new hybrid car the Hy-Wire) check it out here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrp9N1soo0o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrp9N1soo0o</a><br />
its 4mins in to the video(the blip runs for 30secs)but you should watch the whole clip, its about 6mins&#8230;very cool</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Rickshaw</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2276</link>
		<dc:creator>Rickshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2276</guid>
		<description>This isn't really an article about a new method of Solar energy storage, it's about a safer catalyst for electrolysis:

"The researchers’ breakthrough was the creation of a new catalyst for the electrolysis reaction"

While a Cobalt/Phosphate catalyst may be safer than a corrosive catalyst, no matter what catalyst is used, at this time, solar electrolysis is not efficient enough to power a functional consumer automobile.  You'd have to have some serious solar cells to generate enough H and O2 to power a car.  Then, you'd have to transfer this stored energy to the fuel cell in your car or use a fuel cell in your home to charge your car's battery overnight.

I think the author's leap from a safer catalyst to "opens up the door for... addressing global climate change" is a BIG stretch.

Show me how I can power my car for 30 miles with a sub-$10,000 solar / fuel cell combination, and I'll be impressed.

- Rickshaw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t really an article about a new method of Solar energy storage, it&#8217;s about a safer catalyst for electrolysis:</p>
<p>&#8220;The researchers’ breakthrough was the creation of a new catalyst for the electrolysis reaction&#8221;</p>
<p>While a Cobalt/Phosphate catalyst may be safer than a corrosive catalyst, no matter what catalyst is used, at this time, solar electrolysis is not efficient enough to power a functional consumer automobile.  You&#8217;d have to have some serious solar cells to generate enough H and O2 to power a car.  Then, you&#8217;d have to transfer this stored energy to the fuel cell in your car or use a fuel cell in your home to charge your car&#8217;s battery overnight.</p>
<p>I think the author&#8217;s leap from a safer catalyst to &#8220;opens up the door for&#8230; addressing global climate change&#8221; is a BIG stretch.</p>
<p>Show me how I can power my car for 30 miles with a sub-$10,000 solar / fuel cell combination, and I&#8217;ll be impressed.</p>
<p>- Rickshaw</p>
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		<title>By: William Flavell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2179</link>
		<dc:creator>William Flavell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/08/01/new-oxygen-hydrogen-battery-could-be-key-to-storing-solar-energy/#comment-2179</guid>
		<description>This is an amazing article. I am very excited about the further implications of this process.

Thanks for the great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an amazing article. I am very excited about the further implications of this process.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great article.</p>
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