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Einstein&#039;s Relativity Theory derived from Kepler&#039;s Light Visual Deceptions Equation: S = r Exp ỉ ω t; sin ω t= v/c; v=speed; c=light speed
By Joe Nahhas    
Abstract: Relativity theory can be derived from Kepler&#039;s light visual deception equation S = r Exp ỉ ω t; sin ω t = v/c; v = speed and c = light speed. And all the experimental data used to support &quot;proofs&quot; of relativity theory fits deceptions formulas better than all of published papers of Einstein and all other physicists and astrophysicists combined.
A- Special theory of relativity: Length contraction and Time dilations and Δ E = mc² and
B- General theory of relativity: Advance of perihelion light bending gravitational red shifts and Shapiro&#039;s time delay 

Object at r -------Light sensing of moving objects ----------- (seen as) S
r ------ Cosine (wt) + i sine (wt) -------- S = r [cosine (wt) + i sine (wt)]  
Particle ------------------------- Light ------------------------------ Wave
Newton -------- Kepler&#039;s Time dependent -------- Newton&#039;s Time dependent

A-Special theory of relativity

1-Lenght contraction 

Line of Sight:  r cosine wt: light aberrations
A moving object with velocity v will have when visualized through light sensing a light aberration angle (wt); w = constant and t= time                                                                          

Also, sine wt = v/c; cosine wt = √ [1-sine² (wt)] = √ [1-(v/c) ²]
Where v = velocity; c = light velocity                                                      
A visual object moving with velocity v will be seen as S                                                                   
S = r [cosine (wt) + i sine (wt)] = r Exp [i wt]; Exp = Exponential   

S = r [√ [1-(v/c) ²] + ỉ (v/c)] = S x + i S y

S x = Visual location along the line of sight = r [√ [1-(v/c) ²]

This Equation is special relativity Length Contraction formula and it is just the visual effects and caused by light aberrations of a moving object along the line of sight.

In a right angled velocity triangle A B C: Angle A = wt
Angle B = 90°; Angle C = 90° -wt   
AB = hypotenuse = c; BC = opposite = v; CA= adjacent = c √ [1-(v/c) ²] 

2- Time dilatations
Along the line of sight; S x = r cosine wt 
Hypotenuse = S x = [c t x] = c t √ [1-(v/c) ²]; 
Where t = self time; t x = time by others

t x = t √ [1-(v/c) ²]; and
t = {1/√ [1-(v/c) ²]} t x 

These are time dilatation equations given by Einstein&#039;s special relativity theory.



3- Δ E= mc²

S = r Exp (ỉ ω t); sin ω t =v/c; v = c sin ω t; r = -(c/ω) cosine ω t;
And r. v = (-c²/ω) sin ω t cosine ω t  

P = d S/d t = (v + ỉ ω r) Exp (ỉ ω t); v² = c² sin² ω t; ω² r² = c² cosine² ω t
P² = (v + ỉ ω r). (v + ỉ ω r) Exp [2(ỉ ω t)] = [v² -ω² r² +2ỉ ω (r. v)] Exp [2(ỉ ω t)] 

P² = [c² sin² ω t - c² cosine² ω t - 2c²ỉ sin ω t cosine ω t] Exp [2(ỉ ω t)]     
P² = - c² [cosine² ω t - sin² ω t + ỉ sin 2ω t] Exp [2(ỉ ω t)] 

P² = -c² Exp [4(ỉ ω t)]
E = mP²/2 = - mc²/2 [cosine² 2ω t - sin² 2ω t + 2ỉ sin 2ω t cosine 2ω t] 

E = (-mc²/2) {1-2sin² 2ω t + 2ỉ [1- 2sin² ω t] 2[sin ω t cosine ω t]}
E = (-mc²/2) {1- 2(v/c) ² + 4ỉ [1- 2(v/c) ²] (v/c) √ [1- (v/c) ²]}

If v = 0 then E (1) = (-mc²/2); and
If v = c then E (2) = (mc²/2) then 

Δ E = E (2) - E (1) = (mc²/2) - (-mc²/2) 
Δ E = mc²

B- General Theory of relativity 

What is the visual effect for angular velocity along the line of sight? At Perihelion It is called the Advance of perihelion. Let us derive that

 Areal velocity is constant: r² θ&#039; =h         Kepler&#039;s Law

h = 2π a b/T; b=a√ (1-ε²); a = mean distance value; ε = eccentricity
S = r Exp (ỉ wt); r² θ&#039;= h = S² w&#039;

h = S²w&#039;= [r² Exp (2iwt)] w&#039;=r²θ&#039;; w&#039; = (θ&#039;) exp [-2(ỉ wt)] 
And w&#039;= (h/r²) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = (h/r²) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)] 

With w&#039; = w&#039; (x) + ỉ w&#039;(y); w&#039;(x) = (h/r²) [1- 2sine² (wt)]  
Δ w&#039;= w&#039;(x) – (h/r²) = - 2(h/r²) sine² (wt) = - 2(h/r²) (v/c) ² v/c=sine wt

Angular velocity (h/ r²) (Perihelion/Periastron) = [2πa.a√ (1-ε²)]/Ta² (1-ε) ²= [2π√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²

Δ w&#039; = [w&#039;(x) – h/r²] = -4π {[√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² radian per second
[180/π; degrees][100years=36526days; century] x [3600; seconds in degree] 

Δ w&quot; = (-720x36526x3600/T) {[√ (1-ε²]/(1-ε)²} (v/c)² seconds of arc per century

This equation gives the rate of advance of perihelion of Mercury with better results than all of Albert Einstein&#039;s publications and better than all of published physics.
 
The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 - ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²- --.) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4)
 v=√ [G m M / (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m&lt;&lt;M; Solar system    

1- Advance of Perihelion of mercury.

G=6.673x10^-11; M=2x10^30kg; m=.32x10^24kg
ε = 0.206; T=88days; c = 299792.458 km/sec; a = 58.2km/sec
Calculations yields:
v =48.14km/sec; [√ (1- ε²)] (1-ε) ² = 1.552 
Δ w”= (-720x36526x3600/88) x (1.552) (48.14/299792)²=43.0”/century

2- DI Herculis Apsidal motion solution: derived from S= r exp [ỉ ω t]
(See other articles by Joe Nahhas)

W° (ob) = (-720x36526/T) x {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} [(v*/c) + (v°/c)] ² degrees/ century

Where v* = v (center of mass) = 106.38km/sec; v° (spin difference) = 0
T = orbital period; ε = eccentricity; c =light speed

Application 3: Gravitational red shift: Pound Rebka Experiment 

S = r Exp [î ω t] 
  
1/S = 1/r Exp [-ỉ ω t]
And λ (S) = λ (r) Exp [-ỉ ω t]; λ = wavelength

Then υ(s) = υ(r) Exp [ỉ ω t]; υ = frequency 
And υ(S) = υ (r, t) = υ(r, 0) υ (0, t) = υ(r) υ (0, t)
With sin ω(r) t = v/c; cosine ω(r) t = √ [1-(v/c) ²]

Then υ (r, t) = υ(r, 0) {√ [1-(v/c) ²] + ỉ (v/c)} = Real {υ(r, t)} + Imaginary {υ(r, t)}
Real {υ (r, t)} = υ (r, 0) √ [1-(v/c) ²] ≈ υ (r, 0) [1 - 1/2(v/c) ²]

Δ υ (r, t) = real {υ (r, t)} - υ (0, t) 
Δ υ (r, t) = -υ (r, 0)/2 [(v/c) ²]
Δ υ(r, t)/υ(r, 0) = -1/2(v/c)²[up]-{1/2(v/c)²[down]} = - (v/c) ²
 v² = 2gh; g = 9.81km/s² gravitational acceleration; h = height

Δ υ/υ [Total] =-[2gh/c²]
4- Light bending: Lord Edenton experiment
S = r Exp [ỉ ω t]; From Kepler&#039;s Equation: r² θ&#039; = h = 2A/T 
h = S²(r, t) θ&#039;(r, t) = r² (θ, t) θ&#039; (θ, t) = r² (θ, 0) Exp [2ỉ ω t] θ&#039; (θ, t) = 2A/t   
And θ&#039; (θ, t) = θ&#039; (θ, 0) θ&#039;(0, t) = [h/ r² (θ, 0)] Exp [-2ỉ ω(r) t]
Then θ &#039;(θ, t) = [2A/t r² (θ, 0)] {1 - 2sin²ω(r) t - 2ỉ sin ω(r) t cosine ω(r) t}  
Now [t θ&#039;(θ, t)] = [2A/r² (θ&#039; 0)] [1 - 2sin²ω(r) t] -2ỉ [2A/r² (θ, 0)] [sin ω(r) t cosine ω(r) t]  
               = Δ x + i Δ y
Δ θ = Δ x - [A/r² (θ, 0)] = - [A/r² (θ, 0)][4sin²ω(r)t]; sin ω(r)t = v/c  
Δ θ = - [A/r² (θ, 0)](v/c) ² 
(v/c) ² ≈ 1.75&quot;; v² = GM/R; G = Gravitational constant; M = Sun mass; R = sun radius
Δ θ = [A/r² (θ, 0)] [1.75&quot;]; A = area
The values depend on near by stars and the measured values fit this equation.  
Russians in 1936; Δ θ = 2.74
[A/r² (θ, 0)] = π/2
Δ θ = π/2(1.75&quot;) = 2.74&quot;

Application 5: Shapiro time delay (Vikings 6, 7; 1977) 
Mars --------------------------- Middle---- Sun ------------- Earth
The center of mass is the sun. The sun produces a velocity field given by 
v = √ [GM/a (1- ε²/4)]    
From above t =2 arc length/c=2d Δ w/c = (8π r/c) (v/c) ²; Δ w=4π (v/c) ²; r = 2a=d
                    t = 16πGM/c³ (1-ε²/4); ε = [a (1) -a (2)]/ [a (1) + a (2)] = .2075
t = (8πd/c) (v/c) ²= 8π (377,536,987.5/299792.458) (26.6575872/299792.458)²=250μs
If d = 2a (1-ε²/4), then t = 247.597μs value theorized actual measured value is 250μs
All this is not due to space-time but due to light aberration caused by moving planets.
θ&#039;(0,0) = h(0,0)/r²(0,0) =  2π/T   
θ&#039; (0,t) = θ&#039;(0,0)Exp(-2ỉwt)={2π/T} Exp (-2iwt)
θ&#039;(0,t) = θ&#039;(0,0) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = θ&#039;(0,0) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)] 
θ&#039;(0,t) = θ&#039;(0,t)(x) + θ&#039;(0,t)(y); θ&#039;(0,t)(x) = θ&#039;(0,0)[ 1- 2sine² (wt)]  
θ&#039;(0,t)(x) – θ&#039;(0,0) = - 2θ&#039;(0,0)sine²(wt) = - 2θ&#039;(0,0)(v/c)²  v/c=sine wt; c=light speed
T [θ&#039;(0, t) - θ&#039;(0, 0)] = -4π (v/c) ²
Δ θ = -4π (v/c) ² Earth-Mars
Sun-Photon:  
The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 - ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²---) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4)
 v=√ [Gm M/ (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m&lt;&lt;M; Solar system    
 ΔΓ = 2 arc length/c = 2[Δ θ] 2d/c = 2[- 4π (v/c) ²] 2d/c; ΔΓ = -8πd/c (v/c) ²;
ΔΓ = 8πd/c³ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)] =16πGM/c³ (1-ε²/4) = Γ0 (1 - ε²/4)
ε = [a (planet 1) - a (planet 2)]/ [a (planet 1) + a (planet 2)] =0.2075 Mars-Earth 
Γ0 = 16 πGM/c³= 247.5974607μs=universal constant; ΔΓ = 250μs Mars-Earth. 
Joe nahhas1958@yahoo.com                                      All right reserved</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems with all of physics is real and &#8220;reel&#8221;<br />
the experimental readings in physics is all fraud that burnet the LHC<br />
Einstein&#8217;s Relativity Theory derived from Kepler&#8217;s Light Visual Deceptions Equation: S = r Exp ỉ ω t; sin ω t= v/c; v=speed; c=light speed<br />
By Joe Nahhas<br />
Abstract: Relativity theory can be derived from Kepler&#8217;s light visual deception equation S = r Exp ỉ ω t; sin ω t = v/c; v = speed and c = light speed. And all the experimental data used to support &#8220;proofs&#8221; of relativity theory fits deceptions formulas better than all of published papers of Einstein and all other physicists and astrophysicists combined.<br />
A- Special theory of relativity: Length contraction and Time dilations and Δ E = mc² and<br />
B- General theory of relativity: Advance of perihelion light bending gravitational red shifts and Shapiro&#8217;s time delay </p>
<p>Object at r &#8212;&#8212;-Light sensing of moving objects &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; (seen as) S<br />
r &#8212;&#8212; Cosine (wt) + i sine (wt) &#8212;&#8212;&#8211; S = r [cosine (wt) + i sine (wt)]<br />
Particle &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- Light &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; Wave<br />
Newton &#8212;&#8212;&#8211; Kepler&#8217;s Time dependent &#8212;&#8212;&#8211; Newton&#8217;s Time dependent</p>
<p>A-Special theory of relativity</p>
<p>1-Lenght contraction </p>
<p>Line of Sight:  r cosine wt: light aberrations<br />
A moving object with velocity v will have when visualized through light sensing a light aberration angle (wt); w = constant and t= time                                                                          </p>
<p>Also, sine wt = v/c; cosine wt = √ [1-sine² (wt)] = √ [1-(v/c) ²]<br />
Where v = velocity; c = light velocity<br />
A visual object moving with velocity v will be seen as S<br />
S = r [cosine (wt) + i sine (wt)] = r Exp [i wt]; Exp = Exponential   </p>
<p>S = r [√ [1-(v/c) ²] + ỉ (v/c)] = S x + i S y</p>
<p>S x = Visual location along the line of sight = r [√ [1-(v/c) ²]</p>
<p>This Equation is special relativity Length Contraction formula and it is just the visual effects and caused by light aberrations of a moving object along the line of sight.</p>
<p>In a right angled velocity triangle A B C: Angle A = wt<br />
Angle B = 90°; Angle C = 90° -wt<br />
AB = hypotenuse = c; BC = opposite = v; CA= adjacent = c √ [1-(v/c) ²] </p>
<p>2- Time dilatations<br />
Along the line of sight; S x = r cosine wt<br />
Hypotenuse = S x = [c t x] = c t √ [1-(v/c) ²];<br />
Where t = self time; t x = time by others</p>
<p>t x = t √ [1-(v/c) ²]; and<br />
t = {1/√ [1-(v/c) ²]} t x </p>
<p>These are time dilatation equations given by Einstein&#8217;s special relativity theory.</p>
<p>3- Δ E= mc²</p>
<p>S = r Exp (ỉ ω t); sin ω t =v/c; v = c sin ω t; r = -(c/ω) cosine ω t;<br />
And r. v = (-c²/ω) sin ω t cosine ω t  </p>
<p>P = d S/d t = (v + ỉ ω r) Exp (ỉ ω t); v² = c² sin² ω t; ω² r² = c² cosine² ω t<br />
P² = (v + ỉ ω r). (v + ỉ ω r) Exp [2(ỉ ω t)] = [v² -ω² r² +2ỉ ω (r. v)] Exp [2(ỉ ω t)] </p>
<p>P² = [c² sin² ω t - c² cosine² ω t - 2c²ỉ sin ω t cosine ω t] Exp [2(ỉ ω t)]<br />
P² = &#8211; c² [cosine² ω t - sin² ω t + ỉ sin 2ω t] Exp [2(ỉ ω t)] </p>
<p>P² = -c² Exp [4(ỉ ω t)]<br />
E = mP²/2 = &#8211; mc²/2 [cosine² 2ω t - sin² 2ω t + 2ỉ sin 2ω t cosine 2ω t] </p>
<p>E = (-mc²/2) {1-2sin² 2ω t + 2ỉ [1- 2sin² ω t] 2[sin ω t cosine ω t]}<br />
E = (-mc²/2) {1- 2(v/c) ² + 4ỉ [1- 2(v/c) ²] (v/c) √ [1- (v/c) ²]}</p>
<p>If v = 0 then E (1) = (-mc²/2); and<br />
If v = c then E (2) = (mc²/2) then </p>
<p>Δ E = E (2) &#8211; E (1) = (mc²/2) &#8211; (-mc²/2)<br />
Δ E = mc²</p>
<p>B- General Theory of relativity </p>
<p>What is the visual effect for angular velocity along the line of sight? At Perihelion It is called the Advance of perihelion. Let us derive that</p>
<p> Areal velocity is constant: r² θ&#8217; =h         Kepler&#8217;s Law</p>
<p>h = 2π a b/T; b=a√ (1-ε²); a = mean distance value; ε = eccentricity<br />
S = r Exp (ỉ wt); r² θ&#8217;= h = S² w&#8217;</p>
<p>h = S²w&#8217;= [r² Exp (2iwt)] w&#8217;=r²θ&#8217;; w&#8217; = (θ&#8217;) exp [-2(ỉ wt)]<br />
And w&#8217;= (h/r²) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = (h/r²) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)] </p>
<p>With w&#8217; = w&#8217; (x) + ỉ w&#8217;(y); w&#8217;(x) = (h/r²) [1- 2sine² (wt)]<br />
Δ w&#8217;= w&#8217;(x) – (h/r²) = &#8211; 2(h/r²) sine² (wt) = &#8211; 2(h/r²) (v/c) ² v/c=sine wt</p>
<p>Angular velocity (h/ r²) (Perihelion/Periastron) = [2πa.a√ (1-ε²)]/Ta² (1-ε) ²= [2π√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²</p>
<p>Δ w&#8217; = [w'(x) – h/r²] = -4π {[√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² radian per second<br />
[180/π; degrees][100years=36526days; century] x [3600; seconds in degree] </p>
<p>Δ w&#8221; = (-720&#215;36526x3600/T) {[√ (1-ε²]/(1-ε)²} (v/c)² seconds of arc per century</p>
<p>This equation gives the rate of advance of perihelion of Mercury with better results than all of Albert Einstein&#8217;s publications and better than all of published physics.</p>
<p>The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 &#8211; ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²- &#8211;.) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4)<br />
 v=√ [G m M / (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m< <M; Solar system    </p>
<p>1- Advance of Perihelion of mercury.</p>
<p>G=6.673x10^-11; M=2x10^30kg; m=.32x10^24kg<br />
ε = 0.206; T=88days; c = 299792.458 km/sec; a = 58.2km/sec<br />
Calculations yields:<br />
v =48.14km/sec; [√ (1- ε²)] (1-ε) ² = 1.552<br />
Δ w”= (-720x36526x3600/88) x (1.552) (48.14/299792)²=43.0”/century</p>
<p>2- DI Herculis Apsidal motion solution: derived from S= r exp [ỉ ω t]<br />
(See other articles by Joe Nahhas)</p>
<p>W° (ob) = (-720x36526/T) x {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} [(v*/c) + (v°/c)] ² degrees/ century</p>
<p>Where v* = v (center of mass) = 106.38km/sec; v° (spin difference) = 0<br />
T = orbital period; ε = eccentricity; c =light speed</p>
<p>Application 3: Gravitational red shift: Pound Rebka Experiment </p>
<p>S = r Exp [î ω t] </p>
<p>1/S = 1/r Exp [-ỉ ω t]<br />
And λ (S) = λ (r) Exp [-ỉ ω t]; λ = wavelength</p>
<p>Then υ(s) = υ(r) Exp [ỉ ω t]; υ = frequency<br />
And υ(S) = υ (r, t) = υ(r, 0) υ (0, t) = υ(r) υ (0, t)<br />
With sin ω(r) t = v/c; cosine ω(r) t = √ [1-(v/c) ²]</p>
<p>Then υ (r, t) = υ(r, 0) {√ [1-(v/c) ²] + ỉ (v/c)} = Real {υ(r, t)} + Imaginary {υ(r, t)}<br />
Real {υ (r, t)} = υ (r, 0) √ [1-(v/c) ²] ≈ υ (r, 0) [1 - 1/2(v/c) ²]</p>
<p>Δ υ (r, t) = real {υ (r, t)} - υ (0, t)<br />
Δ υ (r, t) = -υ (r, 0)/2 [(v/c) ²]<br />
Δ υ(r, t)/υ(r, 0) = -1/2(v/c)²[up]-{1/2(v/c)²[down]} = - (v/c) ²<br />
 v² = 2gh; g = 9.81km/s² gravitational acceleration; h = height</p>
<p>Δ υ/υ [Total] =-[2gh/c²]<br />
4- Light bending: Lord Edenton experiment<br />
S = r Exp [ỉ ω t]; From Kepler's Equation: r² θ' = h = 2A/T<br />
h = S²(r, t) θ'(r, t) = r² (θ, t) θ' (θ, t) = r² (θ, 0) Exp [2ỉ ω t] θ' (θ, t) = 2A/t<br />
And θ' (θ, t) = θ' (θ, 0) θ'(0, t) = [h/ r² (θ, 0)] Exp [-2ỉ ω(r) t]<br />
Then θ '(θ, t) = [2A/t r² (θ, 0)] {1 - 2sin²ω(r) t - 2ỉ sin ω(r) t cosine ω(r) t}<br />
Now [t θ'(θ, t)] = [2A/r² (θ' 0)] [1 - 2sin²ω(r) t] -2ỉ [2A/r² (θ, 0)] [sin ω(r) t cosine ω(r) t]<br />
               = Δ x + i Δ y<br />
Δ θ = Δ x - [A/r² (θ, 0)] = - [A/r² (θ, 0)][4sin²ω(r)t]; sin ω(r)t = v/c<br />
Δ θ = - [A/r² (θ, 0)](v/c) ²<br />
(v/c) ² ≈ 1.75"; v² = GM/R; G = Gravitational constant; M = Sun mass; R = sun radius<br />
Δ θ = [A/r² (θ, 0)] [1.75"]; A = area<br />
The values depend on near by stars and the measured values fit this equation.<br />
Russians in 1936; Δ θ = 2.74<br />
[A/r² (θ, 0)] = π/2<br />
Δ θ = π/2(1.75") = 2.74"</p>
<p>Application 5: Shapiro time delay (Vikings 6, 7; 1977)<br />
Mars --------------------------- Middle---- Sun ------------- Earth<br />
The center of mass is the sun. The sun produces a velocity field given by<br />
v = √ [GM/a (1- ε²/4)]<br />
From above t =2 arc length/c=2d Δ w/c = (8π r/c) (v/c) ²; Δ w=4π (v/c) ²; r = 2a=d<br />
                    t = 16πGM/c³ (1-ε²/4); ε = [a (1) -a (2)]/ [a (1) + a (2)] = .2075<br />
t = (8πd/c) (v/c) ²= 8π (377,536,987.5/299792.458) (26.6575872/299792.458)²=250μs<br />
If d = 2a (1-ε²/4), then t = 247.597μs value theorized actual measured value is 250μs<br />
All this is not due to space-time but due to light aberration caused by moving planets.<br />
θ'(0,0) = h(0,0)/r²(0,0) =  2π/T<br />
θ' (0,t) = θ'(0,0)Exp(-2ỉwt)={2π/T} Exp (-2iwt)<br />
θ'(0,t) = θ'(0,0) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = θ'(0,0) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)]<br />
θ'(0,t) = θ'(0,t)(x) + θ'(0,t)(y); θ'(0,t)(x) = θ'(0,0)[ 1- 2sine² (wt)]<br />
θ'(0,t)(x) – θ'(0,0) = - 2θ'(0,0)sine²(wt) = - 2θ'(0,0)(v/c)²  v/c=sine wt; c=light speed<br />
T [θ'(0, t) - θ'(0, 0)] = -4π (v/c) ²<br />
Δ θ = -4π (v/c) ² Earth-Mars<br />
Sun-Photon:<br />
The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 - ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²---) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4)<br />
 v=√ [Gm M/ (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m<<M; Solar system<br />
 ΔΓ = 2 arc length/c = 2[Δ θ] 2d/c = 2[- 4π (v/c) ²] 2d/c; ΔΓ = -8πd/c (v/c) ²;<br />
ΔΓ = 8πd/c³ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)] =16πGM/c³ (1-ε²/4) = Γ0 (1 - ε²/4)<br />
ε = [a (planet 1) - a (planet 2)]/ [a (planet 1) + a (planet 2)] =0.2075 Mars-Earth<br />
Γ0 = 16 πGM/c³= 247.5974607μs=universal constant; ΔΓ = 250μs Mars-Earth.<br />
Joe <a href="mailto:nahhas1958@yahoo.com">nahhas1958@yahoo.com                                      All right reserved</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad J Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad J Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi bgar, this is Conrad Countess

Been away for a while, but so glad people are still interested.

You are correct, and both ideas do in fact collaborate each other.
Theirs is more detailed, but also more expensive and complicated. 
The whole idea behind the experiment and blog is to understand the origin of mass, and in particular, “rest mass”.
The cheapest and simplest way to understand this is to understand the geometrical interpretation of (E=mc squared) as (E=mc circled) or E=mc sphered in 3d.
Not that the big expensive experiments, such as the LHC (Large Hadron Collide r), and the computer experiment in this article are not worth it, after all they do provide lots of jobs,  promote international cooperation between scientist, as well as doing things that a single individual could not. But just as garbage in leads to garbage out, for computer experiments, and inaccurate and incomplete basic assumptions such as “frequency leads to v2, interpreted as infinity, instead of c2, which is rest mass, through energy in circular and or spherical rotation, sometimes a self taught individual, without such basic assumptions, thinking outside the box, can see from a deeper foundation, a fuller scope of a problem, and find the solution. 
This is in and of itself a lesson to be learned  in the advancement of physics as well as any other subject.
Beside it can bolster confidence in the individual mind, for finding things that the large expensive machines could not. Furthermore, I being an “African American”, it may even bolster more confidence in minorities just as Barrack Obama’s election has. And God knows that we all need more confidence in ourselves and each other.
People have lots of competitive time, money, and pride invested in these expensive projects of conventional physics, and I understand the reluctance to share and acknowledge credit for such a competitive task. But sooner or latter it will be acknowledged, and it will be on record who does and who doesn’t, and people will be asking for explanations. 
At a time such as this, when the world needs the truth about the world and our place in it, so that we may act more in accord with it, can we afford to be more concerned about whose right than whats is right?
 The truth is the truth, with or without me, as well as with or without people titles and or degrees. It should be our focus more than who discovered it first. 
I just thank God that I had the privilege to be the one to discover this, and give all the glory to God, only hoping to be acknowledged because in this world we need a certain measure of acknowledgment. But more importantly, we need to acknowledge the creative principle of the universe itself.
May the truth prevail over those and that which seek to obscure it.

Conrad J Countess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi bgar, this is Conrad Countess</p>
<p>Been away for a while, but so glad people are still interested.</p>
<p>You are correct, and both ideas do in fact collaborate each other.<br />
Theirs is more detailed, but also more expensive and complicated.<br />
The whole idea behind the experiment and blog is to understand the origin of mass, and in particular, “rest mass”.<br />
The cheapest and simplest way to understand this is to understand the geometrical interpretation of (E=mc squared) as (E=mc circled) or E=mc sphered in 3d.<br />
Not that the big expensive experiments, such as the LHC (Large Hadron Collide r), and the computer experiment in this article are not worth it, after all they do provide lots of jobs,  promote international cooperation between scientist, as well as doing things that a single individual could not. But just as garbage in leads to garbage out, for computer experiments, and inaccurate and incomplete basic assumptions such as “frequency leads to v2, interpreted as infinity, instead of c2, which is rest mass, through energy in circular and or spherical rotation, sometimes a self taught individual, without such basic assumptions, thinking outside the box, can see from a deeper foundation, a fuller scope of a problem, and find the solution.<br />
This is in and of itself a lesson to be learned  in the advancement of physics as well as any other subject.<br />
Beside it can bolster confidence in the individual mind, for finding things that the large expensive machines could not. Furthermore, I being an “African American”, it may even bolster more confidence in minorities just as Barrack Obama’s election has. And God knows that we all need more confidence in ourselves and each other.<br />
People have lots of competitive time, money, and pride invested in these expensive projects of conventional physics, and I understand the reluctance to share and acknowledge credit for such a competitive task. But sooner or latter it will be acknowledged, and it will be on record who does and who doesn’t, and people will be asking for explanations.<br />
At a time such as this, when the world needs the truth about the world and our place in it, so that we may act more in accord with it, can we afford to be more concerned about whose right than whats is right?<br />
 The truth is the truth, with or without me, as well as with or without people titles and or degrees. It should be our focus more than who discovered it first.<br />
I just thank God that I had the privilege to be the one to discover this, and give all the glory to God, only hoping to be acknowledged because in this world we need a certain measure of acknowledgment. But more importantly, we need to acknowledge the creative principle of the universe itself.<br />
May the truth prevail over those and that which seek to obscure it.</p>
<p>Conrad J Countess</p>
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		<title>By: b3ar</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Conrad:

I get the concept, if not the math. You&#039;re saying that matter is energy spinning at the speed of light, and that the spin is creating mass.

What the article is saying (way up there at the top of the page) is that it is the interactions of gluons and quarks, as well as gluons &#039;popping into and out of existence&#039; that create mass.

With all due respect, it sounds as though QCD theory is a more detailed explanation of the same phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Conrad:</p>
<p>I get the concept, if not the math. You&#8217;re saying that matter is energy spinning at the speed of light, and that the spin is creating mass.</p>
<p>What the article is saying (way up there at the top of the page) is that it is the interactions of gluons and quarks, as well as gluons &#8216;popping into and out of existence&#8217; that create mass.</p>
<p>With all due respect, it sounds as though QCD theory is a more detailed explanation of the same phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad J Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad J Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim 

It takes a certain amount of incite to understand (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled), but if you look at my web site explaining it you would see that I am right.http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&amp;hl=en

The speed of light squared or (c^2), geometrically is c in the linear direction times c in the 90 degree angular direction, which is analogous to (a line of 1 inch in the linear direction times a line of 1 inch in the 90 degree or vertical direction to create a square inch). But it is also analogous to a  centrifugal force being balanced by a centripetal force at a 90 degree angle to it to create circular motion. Matter or rest mass is created from energy in circular and or spherical motion and c^2 is where this transformation of energy to matter takes place. E=mc^2 or energy equals rest mass at the mathematical conversion factor of (c^2) precisely because (c^2) is not just a mathematical conversion factor of energy to matter, but is an actual conversion frequency at high end of EM spectrum, where energy turns to matter. This is because at this frequency/wavelength, energy takes on a circular and or spherical form. I don’t mind explaining it to anyone who still doesn’t understand it, and I don’t take offense to anyone thinking that it is funny. Not because I know that I will get the last laugh, because I am not the type to brag with I told you so, but because I know how hard it is to accept revolutionary ideas. But if anyone looks at this objectively, which is how science is suppose to be done, you will see too that it is true, and there is no way around it.

Conrad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim </p>
<p>It takes a certain amount of incite to understand (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled), but if you look at my web site explaining it you would see that I am right.http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&#038;hl=en</p>
<p>The speed of light squared or (c^2), geometrically is c in the linear direction times c in the 90 degree angular direction, which is analogous to (a line of 1 inch in the linear direction times a line of 1 inch in the 90 degree or vertical direction to create a square inch). But it is also analogous to a  centrifugal force being balanced by a centripetal force at a 90 degree angle to it to create circular motion. Matter or rest mass is created from energy in circular and or spherical motion and c^2 is where this transformation of energy to matter takes place. E=mc^2 or energy equals rest mass at the mathematical conversion factor of (c^2) precisely because (c^2) is not just a mathematical conversion factor of energy to matter, but is an actual conversion frequency at high end of EM spectrum, where energy turns to matter. This is because at this frequency/wavelength, energy takes on a circular and or spherical form. I don’t mind explaining it to anyone who still doesn’t understand it, and I don’t take offense to anyone thinking that it is funny. Not because I know that I will get the last laugh, because I am not the type to brag with I told you so, but because I know how hard it is to accept revolutionary ideas. But if anyone looks at this objectively, which is how science is suppose to be done, you will see too that it is true, and there is no way around it.</p>
<p>Conrad</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E=mc(squared) = E=mc(circled) ... that is the funniest thing I&#039;ve read in 2009. OMG hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E=mc(squared) = E=mc(circled) &#8230; that is the funniest thing I&#8217;ve read in 2009. OMG hahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad J Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad J Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the long and short of it 

People tuning in to this blog are interested in where mass comes from. Two ideas were presented which collaborate each other in some ways.
One is result of an experiment that cost Billions of dollars and 200 trillion calculations a second for over a year to arrive, at and the other which collaborated it in some ways, I arrived at with the cost of pen paper and the human brain. The ideas are basically that mass comes from kinetic energy of motion, and more accurately, that rest mass comes from kinetic energy in circular and or spherical motion which can also be considered energy at c^2, which is energy in circular and or spherical rotation. 

And so (E=mc^squared) = (E=mc^circled) = (ct x square root -1) = (h/2pi)
c= (square root -1)
 
As far as the Higgs particle is concerned, that the LHC, which also cost billions is looking for, I can say this. The speed of light barrier which may or may not be caused by Higgs particle or particles of some type, is what causes the drag that creates the buildup of mass from a basic ground state mass/energy, which already exist. It is not necessary although it would be enlightening, to find out what even the most empty space or ground state energy is composed of in order to trace the very beginning of the origin of mass. Or maybe it is. 
It is said that waves cease to exist when they become smaller than the inter- molecular or granular state of the substance that the wave is traveling through. Perhaps energy at c in all directions which is c  in spherical motion, is not only where waves turn to particles, but  also mirrors the granular state of the most empty space. Maybe we just cannot perceive this except through inference, because of some gestalt perception barrier.
 Einstein said that it was not necessary to find an aether that pervades all of space , but whats the difference between an aether, ground state energy, or Higgs particle? They would all provide drag that create mass and possibly a preferred direction to motion of massive objects. Either way, the trace for the origin of mass or the origin of the universe itself may never end unless we conclude that it comes from its own self. This has to be true to some extent because if everything is interrelated in space and time than what is here now, comes from what was  here before, as an extension of it, and so on. But it&#039;s one thing to say that universe. &quot; is what it is&quot;, and quite another to logically and mathematically describe what the universe is, but not entirely. 
 
Conrad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the long and short of it </p>
<p>People tuning in to this blog are interested in where mass comes from. Two ideas were presented which collaborate each other in some ways.<br />
One is result of an experiment that cost Billions of dollars and 200 trillion calculations a second for over a year to arrive, at and the other which collaborated it in some ways, I arrived at with the cost of pen paper and the human brain. The ideas are basically that mass comes from kinetic energy of motion, and more accurately, that rest mass comes from kinetic energy in circular and or spherical motion which can also be considered energy at c^2, which is energy in circular and or spherical rotation. </p>
<p>And so (E=mc^squared) = (E=mc^circled) = (ct x square root -1) = (h/2pi)<br />
c= (square root -1)</p>
<p>As far as the Higgs particle is concerned, that the LHC, which also cost billions is looking for, I can say this. The speed of light barrier which may or may not be caused by Higgs particle or particles of some type, is what causes the drag that creates the buildup of mass from a basic ground state mass/energy, which already exist. It is not necessary although it would be enlightening, to find out what even the most empty space or ground state energy is composed of in order to trace the very beginning of the origin of mass. Or maybe it is.<br />
It is said that waves cease to exist when they become smaller than the inter- molecular or granular state of the substance that the wave is traveling through. Perhaps energy at c in all directions which is c  in spherical motion, is not only where waves turn to particles, but  also mirrors the granular state of the most empty space. Maybe we just cannot perceive this except through inference, because of some gestalt perception barrier.<br />
 Einstein said that it was not necessary to find an aether that pervades all of space , but whats the difference between an aether, ground state energy, or Higgs particle? They would all provide drag that create mass and possibly a preferred direction to motion of massive objects. Either way, the trace for the origin of mass or the origin of the universe itself may never end unless we conclude that it comes from its own self. This has to be true to some extent because if everything is interrelated in space and time than what is here now, comes from what was  here before, as an extension of it, and so on. But it&#8217;s one thing to say that universe. &#8221; is what it is&#8221;, and quite another to logically and mathematically describe what the universe is, but not entirely. </p>
<p>Conrad</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last attempt to sum things up


See this from: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae694.cfm,

“Light is an electromagnetic wave that can carry angular momentum by way of circular polarization. Transverse waves such as light, can have polarization in two directions, &quot;left-right&quot;, &quot;up-down&quot; or any combination thereof. As an analogy, you can shake the end of a slinky up and down, left to right, or at some arbitrary angle. Linear polarization occurs when these two components occur in phase, e.g. you shake the end of your slinky back and forth along the same path. When the two components are of equal amplitude but 90 degrees out of phase, however, circular polarization is created. This is what happens when you shake the end of your slinky in a circular motion.”

If this is true we might extend the above logic base on experimental evidence to include that two similar components in the up/down and back/forth or x and y planes of equal amplitude and 90 degrees out of phase, may cause circular motion, along the x and y plane just as I have suggested. And that when this occurs in all three dimensions or x-y -z planes, that this might cause a 3D standing spherical wave. Perhaps experiments along the same lines as that mentioned above will bear this out.


This along with the recent picture of electron shown on you tube, seem to support my geometrical description. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp-OHIq6Wo

1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons
2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron&#039;s/matter
3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) fro electron and that electron was also a wave.
4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi
If we draw progressively shorter waves with progressively higher energy, we will evidentially arrive at a wave whose 90 degree angular energy/momentum equals its linear energy/momentum, which might create a  balance of centripetal and centrifugal forces and 90 degree arc which if constant creates a circle in 2d, or a spherical wave in 3d. This 3d wave makes two rotations in order to complete one wave cycle, (spin1/2) and also spins backward counter to it trajectory in half the cases which is how electron gets its -1 charge. In the other half of cases a forward spinning positron emerged
A smooth transition from photon to electron, energy to matter, along the same EM spectrum, which might from now on be called the (energy/ matter), spectrum as well as (electromagnetic), is geometrically demonstrated incorporating Planck’s, Einstein’s, deBroglie’s, and Bohr’s ideas, as well as the two recent pieces of experimental evidence, including creation of circular polarized wave and recent picture of electron.


It just all seems to fit together so neatly that it is statistically improbable that it could be just coincidence     

P.S. Einstein’ and Minkowskie’s  (ct) x (square root of -1) , equating a fundamental unite of time with a fundamental spacial length, also collaborates this. Geometrically,( square root of -1) serves same purpose as c in the 90 degree angular direction to create 90 backward rotation or arc in case of geometrical interpretation of c^2 leading to Electron. According to this source:   
An Imaginary Tale: The Story of the Square Root of -1
by Paul J. Nahin page 54 paragraph 2:
“multiplying be square root of -1 is geometrically, simply a rotation by 90 degrees in the counterclockwise sense
Because of this property square root of -1 is often said to be rotator operator, in addition to being an imaginary number.”

Besides uniting (time and length) as stated above with (energy and matter) as well as (charge) because really (E=mc^2) = (ct)x(square root of -1), it could very well be, and I believe that it is, the long awaited solution to the quantum gravity problem.

Take it apart any way you like, but I see no way around it


Conrad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last attempt to sum things up</p>
<p>See this from: <a href="http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae694.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae694.cfm</a>,</p>
<p>“Light is an electromagnetic wave that can carry angular momentum by way of circular polarization. Transverse waves such as light, can have polarization in two directions, &#8220;left-right&#8221;, &#8220;up-down&#8221; or any combination thereof. As an analogy, you can shake the end of a slinky up and down, left to right, or at some arbitrary angle. Linear polarization occurs when these two components occur in phase, e.g. you shake the end of your slinky back and forth along the same path. When the two components are of equal amplitude but 90 degrees out of phase, however, circular polarization is created. This is what happens when you shake the end of your slinky in a circular motion.”</p>
<p>If this is true we might extend the above logic base on experimental evidence to include that two similar components in the up/down and back/forth or x and y planes of equal amplitude and 90 degrees out of phase, may cause circular motion, along the x and y plane just as I have suggested. And that when this occurs in all three dimensions or x-y -z planes, that this might cause a 3D standing spherical wave. Perhaps experiments along the same lines as that mentioned above will bear this out.</p>
<p>This along with the recent picture of electron shown on you tube, seem to support my geometrical description. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp-OHIq6Wo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp-OHIq6Wo</a></p>
<p>1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons<br />
2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron&#8217;s/matter<br />
3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) fro electron and that electron was also a wave.<br />
4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi<br />
If we draw progressively shorter waves with progressively higher energy, we will evidentially arrive at a wave whose 90 degree angular energy/momentum equals its linear energy/momentum, which might create a  balance of centripetal and centrifugal forces and 90 degree arc which if constant creates a circle in 2d, or a spherical wave in 3d. This 3d wave makes two rotations in order to complete one wave cycle, (spin1/2) and also spins backward counter to it trajectory in half the cases which is how electron gets its -1 charge. In the other half of cases a forward spinning positron emerged<br />
A smooth transition from photon to electron, energy to matter, along the same EM spectrum, which might from now on be called the (energy/ matter), spectrum as well as (electromagnetic), is geometrically demonstrated incorporating Planck’s, Einstein’s, deBroglie’s, and Bohr’s ideas, as well as the two recent pieces of experimental evidence, including creation of circular polarized wave and recent picture of electron.</p>
<p>It just all seems to fit together so neatly that it is statistically improbable that it could be just coincidence     </p>
<p>P.S. Einstein’ and Minkowskie’s  (ct) x (square root of -1) , equating a fundamental unite of time with a fundamental spacial length, also collaborates this. Geometrically,( square root of -1) serves same purpose as c in the 90 degree angular direction to create 90 backward rotation or arc in case of geometrical interpretation of c^2 leading to Electron. According to this source:<br />
An Imaginary Tale: The Story of the Square Root of -1<br />
by Paul J. Nahin page 54 paragraph 2:<br />
“multiplying be square root of -1 is geometrically, simply a rotation by 90 degrees in the counterclockwise sense<br />
Because of this property square root of -1 is often said to be rotator operator, in addition to being an imaginary number.”</p>
<p>Besides uniting (time and length) as stated above with (energy and matter) as well as (charge) because really (E=mc^2) = (ct)x(square root of -1), it could very well be, and I believe that it is, the long awaited solution to the quantum gravity problem.</p>
<p>Take it apart any way you like, but I see no way around it</p>
<p>Conrad</p>
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		<dc:creator>datactrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious.  The few that are good at sounding like they know what they are talking about are arguing with the one&#039;s that openly don&#039;t know what they are talking about.. and none of it is on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious.  The few that are good at sounding like they know what they are talking about are arguing with the one&#8217;s that openly don&#8217;t know what they are talking about.. and none of it is on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jude Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If E=MC2, and Mass essentially is energy, then that equation is false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If E=MC2, and Mass essentially is energy, then that equation is false.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad J Countess</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/11/21/confirmed-scientists-understand-where-mass-comes-from/comment-page-1/#comment-15438</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad J Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is web address: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/expe-text.html

Conrad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is web address: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/expe-text.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/expe-text.html</a></p>
<p>Conrad</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad J Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad J Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for the constructive criticism, John and Anonanonanon, both your points are well taken. 
Isn’t it true that when photons enter a gravity field they increase in frequency  according to equation  E=hf/c^2? If so than x-rays or gamma rays entering a strong enough gravity field should create electrons when frequency reaches E=hf =mc^2.
 If the Earths gravity field is strong enough, that it should be possible to shoot a x-rays or gamma rays from outer space to a target on Earth and see the transformation to electrons. And perhaps nature does this sometime in cosmic ray showers. 
See Einstein’s Big Idea on Nova web site; E=mc^2 Explained by Neil deGrasse Tyson
Astrophysicist
American Museum of Natural History
In it he states in pp 2: If you get high enough energy X-rays passing by your room, spontaneously, unannounced, unprompted, unscripted, they will make electrons.
Could this be an example of this transformation?

Conrad J Countess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for the constructive criticism, John and Anonanonanon, both your points are well taken.<br />
Isn’t it true that when photons enter a gravity field they increase in frequency  according to equation  E=hf/c^2? If so than x-rays or gamma rays entering a strong enough gravity field should create electrons when frequency reaches E=hf =mc^2.<br />
 If the Earths gravity field is strong enough, that it should be possible to shoot a x-rays or gamma rays from outer space to a target on Earth and see the transformation to electrons. And perhaps nature does this sometime in cosmic ray showers.<br />
See Einstein’s Big Idea on Nova web site; E=mc^2 Explained by Neil deGrasse Tyson<br />
Astrophysicist<br />
American Museum of Natural History<br />
In it he states in pp 2: If you get high enough energy X-rays passing by your room, spontaneously, unannounced, unprompted, unscripted, they will make electrons.<br />
Could this be an example of this transformation?</p>
<p>Conrad J Countess</p>
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		<title>By: Anonanonanon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/11/21/confirmed-scientists-understand-where-mass-comes-from/comment-page-1/#comment-15315</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonanonanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Conrad

It seems like you feel that PaleBlueDot was trying to discourage you, when I get the impression he was trying to show you how you could get more people to accept your idea.

For example, I&#039;m not a mathematician.  I&#039;ve seen mathematical &#039;proofs&#039; showing that 1=2.  They all contained some flaw or false assertion that was not obvious.  By the same token, I&#039;ve seen proofs that 0.999...=1 - again with mathematical proofs that looked similar to the ones for 1=2.  

Although the idea of 0.999... equaling 1 made sense to me, and I didn&#039;t see any flaws in those proofs, what actually convinced me was the amount of independent verification available for 0.999... being the same value as 1.

By the same token, I don&#039;t have the background to prove or disprove your idea.  Having objective opinions and verification of your idea would lend it credibility and authenticity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Conrad</p>
<p>It seems like you feel that PaleBlueDot was trying to discourage you, when I get the impression he was trying to show you how you could get more people to accept your idea.</p>
<p>For example, I&#8217;m not a mathematician.  I&#8217;ve seen mathematical &#8216;proofs&#8217; showing that 1=2.  They all contained some flaw or false assertion that was not obvious.  By the same token, I&#8217;ve seen proofs that 0.999&#8230;=1 &#8211; again with mathematical proofs that looked similar to the ones for 1=2.  </p>
<p>Although the idea of 0.999&#8230; equaling 1 made sense to me, and I didn&#8217;t see any flaws in those proofs, what actually convinced me was the amount of independent verification available for 0.999&#8230; being the same value as 1.</p>
<p>By the same token, I don&#8217;t have the background to prove or disprove your idea.  Having objective opinions and verification of your idea would lend it credibility and authenticity.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.                i cant believe i just read all of that. Conrad, you have a great idea, but lighten up a bit man. Being as harsh as you portray yourself to be, will only hurt your case.  I read what you said, and it makes sense to me, although I am no expert by any means, but your tone turns me off of the idea. Presentation is the most important part, sell with your words, tone, and presentation. Then your ideas will be heard with open ears. 

Sorry to everyone else to adding ANOTHER comment onto this haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.                i cant believe i just read all of that. Conrad, you have a great idea, but lighten up a bit man. Being as harsh as you portray yourself to be, will only hurt your case.  I read what you said, and it makes sense to me, although I am no expert by any means, but your tone turns me off of the idea. Presentation is the most important part, sell with your words, tone, and presentation. Then your ideas will be heard with open ears. </p>
<p>Sorry to everyone else to adding ANOTHER comment onto this haha</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad J Countess</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/11/21/confirmed-scientists-understand-where-mass-comes-from/comment-page-1/#comment-15276</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad J Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O K  PaleBlueDot 


Heres mathematical proof or did you already see this: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&amp;hl=en

Who are you really? I got a feeling that you are not just a meteorology student, because you are pleading the physicist case with to much involvement and sympathy. I know that there are theory assassins out there who are sent out to discredited theories that are threatening to certain parties theory of economic interest. Are you one of them? 
I do not wish to hurt anyones pride or livelihood by figuring out something that thousands of educated people who studied for years could not, but I did. And whats more important, what is right or who is right? And whats more important still, bringing the truth about the interconnectedness of the Universe to humanity, so we can be more at home here, or protecting someones hurt feelings because they did not discover this first?
I look at physic as a noble subject  studied by noble people. But you are disillusioning me by telling me  that physicist are sensitive to some kind of foolish intellectual pride. I would have thought that they were beyond that and would be happy to get at the truth no mater where it came from. 

I’ll tell you how I really feel
I just revealed to the world, that the most famous equation in the world “Einstein’s E=mc^2”, when looked at geometrically shows that (E or energy) = (m or rest mass) x (c^2, which is the speed of light in circular rotation), thus revealing the origin of rest mass. This is also the unification of (General Relativity) and (Quantum Theory), another landmark goal in physics, And the hits just keep on coming.
If you think that I should shut up or that you can discourage me, all you are really doing is letting me know that someone is nervous. And that I am at least on the right track. Well I think I am there and that anyone who looks at this objectively will see that I am correct and that you are hiding something. This  is too important keep quite about, and what I should really do is  “Go Tell it on the Mountaintop” or better still “Go Tell it on the Internet” 

The speed of light squared is the speed of light circled and the pivotal point around which a new revolution in physics is taking place. Any interested parties, do not let anyone do your thinking for you, look at the evidence objectively, It speaks for itself.

Short version:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb
Long Version:: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_102hm2wwrhf
Related evidence:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_107jx6qsgdg

Conrad J Countess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O K  PaleBlueDot </p>
<p>Heres mathematical proof or did you already see this: <a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&#038;hl=en</a></p>
<p>Who are you really? I got a feeling that you are not just a meteorology student, because you are pleading the physicist case with to much involvement and sympathy. I know that there are theory assassins out there who are sent out to discredited theories that are threatening to certain parties theory of economic interest. Are you one of them?<br />
I do not wish to hurt anyones pride or livelihood by figuring out something that thousands of educated people who studied for years could not, but I did. And whats more important, what is right or who is right? And whats more important still, bringing the truth about the interconnectedness of the Universe to humanity, so we can be more at home here, or protecting someones hurt feelings because they did not discover this first?<br />
I look at physic as a noble subject  studied by noble people. But you are disillusioning me by telling me  that physicist are sensitive to some kind of foolish intellectual pride. I would have thought that they were beyond that and would be happy to get at the truth no mater where it came from. </p>
<p>I’ll tell you how I really feel<br />
I just revealed to the world, that the most famous equation in the world “Einstein’s E=mc^2”, when looked at geometrically shows that (E or energy) = (m or rest mass) x (c^2, which is the speed of light in circular rotation), thus revealing the origin of rest mass. This is also the unification of (General Relativity) and (Quantum Theory), another landmark goal in physics, And the hits just keep on coming.<br />
If you think that I should shut up or that you can discourage me, all you are really doing is letting me know that someone is nervous. And that I am at least on the right track. Well I think I am there and that anyone who looks at this objectively will see that I am correct and that you are hiding something. This  is too important keep quite about, and what I should really do is  “Go Tell it on the Mountaintop” or better still “Go Tell it on the Internet” </p>
<p>The speed of light squared is the speed of light circled and the pivotal point around which a new revolution in physics is taking place. Any interested parties, do not let anyone do your thinking for you, look at the evidence objectively, It speaks for itself.</p>
<p>Short version:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb<br />
Long Version:: <a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_102hm2wwrhf" rel="nofollow">http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_102hm2wwrhf</a><br />
Related evidence:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_107jx6qsgdg</p>
<p>Conrad J Countess</p>
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		<title>By: PaleBlueDot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/11/21/confirmed-scientists-understand-where-mass-comes-from/comment-page-1/#comment-15250</link>
		<dc:creator>PaleBlueDot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to talk down to you Conrad, I&#039;m merely pointing out that you are NOT doing science, you are making a STATEMENT.  You&#039;re statement could be a testable hypothesis, but you can&#039;t claim to have &quot;findings&quot; until you actually go out and FIND something.  The point that you are at in your assertions is the &quot;Hey, I&#039;ve got a neat idea&quot; stage.  Now you need to do something, ANYTHING to give your position credibility.  That can come in many ways, either by mathematically proving it, computer modeling, or in the absolute best case, actually showing that EM energy turns into a massive particle.  Now that would get people&#039;s attention!  

Most scientists work for there ENTIRE LIVES to generate the evidence and observations relevant to their great ideas, and there are more than a few that have passed away before they&#039;ve seen their ideas tested, but their process has involved a lot of energy, time, and sacrifice on their part, just to see one experiment happen, and through all that time there is a strong possiblity that the answer they get will totally prove them wrong, but they still do it.  Of course, you have to realize that if you come out here with guns blazing with your idea, with no background in the field, telling people that have been wrapped in thought about this stuff for half a CENTURY that they are flat out wrong and you&#039;re right, how does that make them more likely to listen to you?  

Personally I&#039;m skeptical of your ideas, which is not a bad thing, skepticism is a healthy thing in science.  Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.  It&#039;s your idea, your passion, prove it to us!  I don&#039;t want to see a page with wavy lines and talking smiley faces, show us some more tantalizing evidence!  If you&#039;re right, then you get the glory, the right to say I told you so, and the satisfaction that you changed the way the world thinks (not to mention the technological possiblities your idea would enable).  If you&#039;re wrong, oh well, there&#039;ve been lots of wrong ideas in the history of science, and nobody will ridicule you for at least giving it an honest shot.  I will await your results Conrad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to talk down to you Conrad, I&#8217;m merely pointing out that you are NOT doing science, you are making a STATEMENT.  You&#8217;re statement could be a testable hypothesis, but you can&#8217;t claim to have &#8220;findings&#8221; until you actually go out and FIND something.  The point that you are at in your assertions is the &#8220;Hey, I&#8217;ve got a neat idea&#8221; stage.  Now you need to do something, ANYTHING to give your position credibility.  That can come in many ways, either by mathematically proving it, computer modeling, or in the absolute best case, actually showing that EM energy turns into a massive particle.  Now that would get people&#8217;s attention!  </p>
<p>Most scientists work for there ENTIRE LIVES to generate the evidence and observations relevant to their great ideas, and there are more than a few that have passed away before they&#8217;ve seen their ideas tested, but their process has involved a lot of energy, time, and sacrifice on their part, just to see one experiment happen, and through all that time there is a strong possiblity that the answer they get will totally prove them wrong, but they still do it.  Of course, you have to realize that if you come out here with guns blazing with your idea, with no background in the field, telling people that have been wrapped in thought about this stuff for half a CENTURY that they are flat out wrong and you&#8217;re right, how does that make them more likely to listen to you?  </p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m skeptical of your ideas, which is not a bad thing, skepticism is a healthy thing in science.  Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.  It&#8217;s your idea, your passion, prove it to us!  I don&#8217;t want to see a page with wavy lines and talking smiley faces, show us some more tantalizing evidence!  If you&#8217;re right, then you get the glory, the right to say I told you so, and the satisfaction that you changed the way the world thinks (not to mention the technological possiblities your idea would enable).  If you&#8217;re wrong, oh well, there&#8217;ve been lots of wrong ideas in the history of science, and nobody will ridicule you for at least giving it an honest shot.  I will await your results Conrad!</p>
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