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	<title>Comments on: Confirmed: Monstrous Black Hole Lurks in Our Galaxy&#8217;s Center</title>
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		<title>By: mharratsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mharratsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, A.K. Satsangi- not to cast aspersions on your spirituality and with all due respect, but electromagnetic attraction is 27 orders of magnitude greater than gravitational attraction  :\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, A.K. Satsangi- not to cast aspersions on your spirituality and with all due respect, but electromagnetic attraction is 27 orders of magnitude greater than gravitational attraction  :\</p>
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		<title>By: mharratsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mharratsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just as swirling leaves caught in a gust of wind can provide clues about air currents, so the stars’ movements reveal information about forces at work at the galactic centre&quot;

It&#039;s a bit of a jump to say that the stars in orbit at the center of the galaxy indicate irrifutable proof of the mathematical error of a &#039;black hole&#039;, wouldn&#039;t you say?  I would have to suggest that the best research so far shows that stars orbit a chaotic maelstrom at the center of the galaxy.  No one&#039;s been able to peer inside the sucker yet, I&#039;d warrant.

Besides, what of the 400 some-odd stars in orbit around the galactic center that &quot;shouldn&#039;t be there&quot;?  The ones that are so close that &quot;gravitational tidal forces should&#039;ve torn them apart before they even formed&quot;??

And for that matter- explain again how the &#039;black holes&#039; at the center of the galaxy that are so strong that &quot;light cannot escape them&quot; yet they are giant particle accellerators spewing ions out in collimated jets on their polar axis?  Gravity so strong that it traps photons... but it lets *charged matter* escape???

Fuzzy math and faith in the Old Men&#039;s Establishment, gents and ladies.  Unwarranted faith.

99% plasma Unverse, folks.  No theory is real without accepting that electron currents and ions in motion are part of the equation.  Maxwells Law &gt; Newtons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just as swirling leaves caught in a gust of wind can provide clues about air currents, so the stars’ movements reveal information about forces at work at the galactic centre&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit of a jump to say that the stars in orbit at the center of the galaxy indicate irrifutable proof of the mathematical error of a &#8216;black hole&#8217;, wouldn&#8217;t you say?  I would have to suggest that the best research so far shows that stars orbit a chaotic maelstrom at the center of the galaxy.  No one&#8217;s been able to peer inside the sucker yet, I&#8217;d warrant.</p>
<p>Besides, what of the 400 some-odd stars in orbit around the galactic center that &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t be there&#8221;?  The ones that are so close that &#8220;gravitational tidal forces should&#8217;ve torn them apart before they even formed&#8221;??</p>
<p>And for that matter- explain again how the &#8216;black holes&#8217; at the center of the galaxy that are so strong that &#8220;light cannot escape them&#8221; yet they are giant particle accellerators spewing ions out in collimated jets on their polar axis?  Gravity so strong that it traps photons&#8230; but it lets *charged matter* escape???</p>
<p>Fuzzy math and faith in the Old Men&#8217;s Establishment, gents and ladies.  Unwarranted faith.</p>
<p>99% plasma Unverse, folks.  No theory is real without accepting that electron currents and ions in motion are part of the equation.  Maxwells Law > Newtons.</p>
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		<title>By: JAMES T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAMES T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...... If there is one which i think there is i wouldn&#039;t mine it seems pretty cool and is gonna make a sweet report!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;&#8230; If there is one which i think there is i wouldn&#8217;t mine it seems pretty cool and is gonna make a sweet report!</p>
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		<title>By: The Domino Effect</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Domino Effect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop being negative. These physicists are the ones giving you a good future to live in. Discourage them and you&#039;ll be watching football all day, which some may find nice. Science works in the background as you can see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop being negative. These physicists are the ones giving you a good future to live in. Discourage them and you&#8217;ll be watching football all day, which some may find nice. Science works in the background as you can see</p>
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		<title>By: a.k.satsangi</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.k.satsangi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF SCIENCE OF RELIGION (THEOLOGY)

 I have written following two papers which may lead to the realization for a higher theory of  everything:

(i)	Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator, 
(1st Int. Conf. on Revival of Traditional  Yoga, Lonavla Yoga Institute, Lonavla, January, 2006) 
(ii)	In Scientific Terminology, Source of Gravitational Wave is God
(2nd World Congress on Vedic Science, BHU, Varanasi, Feb 2007)          
I have presented these two papers at the two different International Conferences.   I am now submitting some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory

From Scriptures:  (Prem Patra by His Holiness Huzur Maharaj)
The Current which manifested in the beginning of the creation is the Current of Sabda (Sound) and of Chaitanya  (Consciousness).  From whom that Current issued forth is known as Soami (Supreme Being).  This Current, by turning back can merge again in the Holy Feet of Supreme Being.  The entire creation manifested from this current and is sustained with its energy and when the Current of the Holy Feet is withdrawn, the creation ceases to exist.This Current of the Holy Feet is the Reservoir of all energy, tastes and pleasures, knowledge, skill, shapes, forces and light etc. etc. and of the entire creation, is also the Creator of all of them.

From Science:
Gravitation Force is the cause of manifestation of the creation (birth of planets, stars), its sustenance and when it is withdrawn towards centre or source the entire creation ceases to exist.  Photons have originated from gravitons.  In black holes photons merge into gravitons.  In Black Holes, Gravitational Force is so high that it does not allow even light to escape.  What does it mean then?  It simply means that the gravitational force at black-holes attracts light towards it with much greater velocity than the speed of light.  In fact, all forces including electromagnetic force, material force (strong and weak nuclear force) all merge into gravitational force in black-holes and becomes one force there and when the creational process starts again from a Black-Hole all the forces appear  (manifest) again and descends downwards to create billions of stars, planets, satellite, asteroids and various life forms.  

Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation.

All cosmological researches should be conducted keeping in view of the following philosophical facts:

According to  Bible (John I-1) “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,”

Mohammedans hold that God uttered ‘Kun’ (i.e. ‘Came into being’) and the creation came into being (Holy Quran, Sur. Bakr (II.117).  

In Chhandogya Upanishad it is written “Tadaikshat bahu syam prajayeyeti” (VI-2-iii) i.e. “It thought (desired) Would that I were many! Let me procreate myself!”  The Aitareya Upanishad says,”Sa ikshat ‘lokannusrija’ iti (I-1-i) i.e. “He bethought himself (desired) – ‘Let me create worlds’, etc. etc.

It is written in Chapter VII of Srimad Bhagavadgita : Sri Bhagwan said, “Arjun, now listen how with the mind attached to Me and practicing Yoga with absolute dependence on Me, you will know Me in entirety and without any shadow of doubt” (1).  I shall unfold to you in its entirety this wisdom alongwith the Knowledge of the qualified aspect of God, having known which nothing else remains yet to be known in this world (2).  Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, reason and also ego; these constitute My nature eightfold divided.  This indeed is My lower  (material) nature : the other than this, by which the whole universe is sustained, know it to be My higher nature in the form of Jiva, O Arjuna. (4-5).  Arjuna, know that all beings have evolved from this twofold Prakriti, and that I am the source of the entire creation, and into Me again it disappears.(6)   

The Radhasoami Religion also tells that, the ‘Word’ mentioned above is in fact Current of Sound or Current of Consciousness or Prime Current of Spirituality which was issued forth from its Source, or Creator or God. This Current has later on produced light and other forces. The scientists are discussing these days about dark energy which constitute about 96% of the entire universe which is not known to us. Only 4% part of the universe is known to us by all scientific means. In fact this 96% invisible portion of the universe is the vast expanse of spirituality which can be designated as field of gravitational waves in scientific terms. Visible portion of the universe (4%) consists of consciousness (gravitational force), mental force (electromagnetic waves) and material force (strong and weak nuclear force).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF SCIENCE OF RELIGION (THEOLOGY)</p>
<p> I have written following two papers which may lead to the realization for a higher theory of  everything:</p>
<p>(i)	Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator,<br />
(1st Int. Conf. on Revival of Traditional  Yoga, Lonavla Yoga Institute, Lonavla, January, 2006)<br />
(ii)	In Scientific Terminology, Source of Gravitational Wave is God<br />
(2nd World Congress on Vedic Science, BHU, Varanasi, Feb 2007)<br />
I have presented these two papers at the two different International Conferences.   I am now submitting some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory</p>
<p>From Scriptures:  (Prem Patra by His Holiness Huzur Maharaj)<br />
The Current which manifested in the beginning of the creation is the Current of Sabda (Sound) and of Chaitanya  (Consciousness).  From whom that Current issued forth is known as Soami (Supreme Being).  This Current, by turning back can merge again in the Holy Feet of Supreme Being.  The entire creation manifested from this current and is sustained with its energy and when the Current of the Holy Feet is withdrawn, the creation ceases to exist.This Current of the Holy Feet is the Reservoir of all energy, tastes and pleasures, knowledge, skill, shapes, forces and light etc. etc. and of the entire creation, is also the Creator of all of them.</p>
<p>From Science:<br />
Gravitation Force is the cause of manifestation of the creation (birth of planets, stars), its sustenance and when it is withdrawn towards centre or source the entire creation ceases to exist.  Photons have originated from gravitons.  In black holes photons merge into gravitons.  In Black Holes, Gravitational Force is so high that it does not allow even light to escape.  What does it mean then?  It simply means that the gravitational force at black-holes attracts light towards it with much greater velocity than the speed of light.  In fact, all forces including electromagnetic force, material force (strong and weak nuclear force) all merge into gravitational force in black-holes and becomes one force there and when the creational process starts again from a Black-Hole all the forces appear  (manifest) again and descends downwards to create billions of stars, planets, satellite, asteroids and various life forms.  </p>
<p>Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation.</p>
<p>All cosmological researches should be conducted keeping in view of the following philosophical facts:</p>
<p>According to  Bible (John I-1) “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,”</p>
<p>Mohammedans hold that God uttered ‘Kun’ (i.e. ‘Came into being’) and the creation came into being (Holy Quran, Sur. Bakr (II.117).  </p>
<p>In Chhandogya Upanishad it is written “Tadaikshat bahu syam prajayeyeti” (VI-2-iii) i.e. “It thought (desired) Would that I were many! Let me procreate myself!”  The Aitareya Upanishad says,”Sa ikshat ‘lokannusrija’ iti (I-1-i) i.e. “He bethought himself (desired) – ‘Let me create worlds’, etc. etc.</p>
<p>It is written in Chapter VII of Srimad Bhagavadgita : Sri Bhagwan said, “Arjun, now listen how with the mind attached to Me and practicing Yoga with absolute dependence on Me, you will know Me in entirety and without any shadow of doubt” (1).  I shall unfold to you in its entirety this wisdom alongwith the Knowledge of the qualified aspect of God, having known which nothing else remains yet to be known in this world (2).  Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, reason and also ego; these constitute My nature eightfold divided.  This indeed is My lower  (material) nature : the other than this, by which the whole universe is sustained, know it to be My higher nature in the form of Jiva, O Arjuna. (4-5).  Arjuna, know that all beings have evolved from this twofold Prakriti, and that I am the source of the entire creation, and into Me again it disappears.(6)   </p>
<p>The Radhasoami Religion also tells that, the ‘Word’ mentioned above is in fact Current of Sound or Current of Consciousness or Prime Current of Spirituality which was issued forth from its Source, or Creator or God. This Current has later on produced light and other forces. The scientists are discussing these days about dark energy which constitute about 96% of the entire universe which is not known to us. Only 4% part of the universe is known to us by all scientific means. In fact this 96% invisible portion of the universe is the vast expanse of spirituality which can be designated as field of gravitational waves in scientific terms. Visible portion of the universe (4%) consists of consciousness (gravitational force), mental force (electromagnetic waves) and material force (strong and weak nuclear force).</p>
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		<title>By: thomas edison</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas edison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This black hole sounds pretty awesome! I just hope that it doesn&#039;t develope into a threat to Earth! I bet we will discover a lot more out in our galaxy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This black hole sounds pretty awesome! I just hope that it doesn&#8217;t develope into a threat to Earth! I bet we will discover a lot more out in our galaxy!</p>
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		<title>By: fred edision</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred edision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This evidence of a black hole playing with stars is awesome to the max.  A movie years in the making.  What an achievement and well worth the time.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~ghezgroup/gc/pictures/orbitsMovie.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This evidence of a black hole playing with stars is awesome to the max.  A movie years in the making.  What an achievement and well worth the time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~ghezgroup/gc/pictures/orbitsMovie.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~ghezgroup/gc/pictures/orbitsMovie.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: thomas boles</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas boles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there&#039;s no black hole in the middle of the galaxy</description>
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