Comments on: Vatican’s New Bioethics Rules Grapple With 21st Century Medical Advances http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/ 80beats is DISCOVER's news aggregator, weaving together the choicest tidbits from the best articles covering the day\'s most compelling topics. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:16:34 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Freeman Jackson http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-16351 Freeman Jackson Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:18:14 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-16351 I salute the Dignitas Personae but what next? Will the Catholic Church go so far as to protect/help those who have been victimized by this? Up until now we have had no voice. Over 3,000,000 IVFs have been performed but the amount of IVF Fraud Cases have not being properly recorded and reported. I know because it happened to me. Please sign my petition and pass it on. http://www.petitiononline.com/ivfrape/petition.html I salute the Dignitas Personae but what next? Will the Catholic Church
go so far as to protect/help those who have been victimized by this?
Up until now we have had no voice.

Over 3,000,000 IVFs have been performed but the amount of IVF Fraud
Cases have not being properly recorded and reported. I know because it
happened to me.

Please sign my petition and pass it on.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ivfrape/petition.html

]]> By: Stella http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-16028 Stella Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:14:54 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-16028 Please see the link > http://needing-fathers.blogspot.com Assisted reproduction lets down those it was intended for. Cheers. Please see the link >

http://needing-fathers.blogspot.com

Assisted reproduction lets down those it was intended for.

Cheers.

]]> By: Bystander http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15960 Bystander Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:50:56 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15960 I vote that we completely ignore, 'Thats so inhumane and against God" people and implement and practice our struggling new technologies anyway. It's not like we would force them to use it. That way everyone wins ^_^.. imo. I can gain access to incredible life saving/altering medical advances and be happy while they sit back whining about things like 'blacks' and 'gays' and 'educa...edu..edu..cation' and how immoral it all is. Ps: Why are all hospitals named after religious figures? I vote that we completely ignore, ‘Thats so inhumane and against God” people and implement and practice our struggling new technologies anyway. It’s not like we would force them to use it. That way everyone wins ^_^.. imo. I can gain access to incredible life saving/altering medical advances and be happy while they sit back whining about things like ‘blacks’ and ‘gays’ and ‘educa…edu..edu..cation’ and how immoral it all is.

Ps: Why are all hospitals named after religious figures?

]]> By: Mike http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15931 Mike Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:55:53 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15931 Good to know that the Holy See is only a moral authority *relative* to the United States. Good to know that the Holy See is only a moral authority *relative* to the United States.

]]> By: JP http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15928 JP Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:46:33 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15928 Mike, the Holy See is only an observer at the UN. Nonetheless, it has repeatedly used the UN as a forum to condemn any capital punishment that is not strictly necessary (i.e. nearly all) and every kind of torture. The sexual orientation of the victims is beside the point. Torture is torture, and capital punishment is capital punishment. You might wish to read this UN document: tinyurl.com/6p7pww Compare the number of reservations held by the US to the complete lack of reservations in the Holy See's signing. More on topic, I find it encouraging that the CDF is considering here both the good and bad uses of these biotechnologies. The conclusion (part 36) of Dignitas Personae seems particularly hopeful when it compares movements like the one for "the full recognition and protection of disabled or ill people" to fights where great progress has already been made, like worker's rights. Mike, the Holy See is only an observer at the UN. Nonetheless, it has repeatedly used the UN as a forum to condemn any capital punishment that is not strictly necessary (i.e. nearly all) and every kind of torture. The sexual orientation of the victims is beside the point. Torture is torture, and capital punishment is capital punishment.

You might wish to read this UN document: tinyurl.com/6p7pww
Compare the number of reservations held by the US to the complete lack of reservations in the Holy See’s signing.

More on topic, I find it encouraging that the CDF is considering here both the good and bad uses of these biotechnologies. The conclusion (part 36) of Dignitas Personae seems particularly hopeful when it compares movements like the one for “the full recognition and protection of disabled or ill people” to fights where great progress has already been made, like worker’s rights.

]]> By: Mike http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15915 Mike Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:37:03 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15915 "it says we must treat all people with dignity regardless of how they were conceived. " but will not condemn states that hang and torture homosexuals, nor support UN declarations of rights in such cases. No, the Catholic Church is still promulgating the mindset of a primitive desert religion. “it says we must treat all people with dignity regardless of how they were conceived. ” but will not condemn states that hang and torture homosexuals, nor support UN declarations of rights in such cases.

No, the Catholic Church is still promulgating the mindset of a primitive desert religion.

]]> By: JP http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15913 JP Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:51:43 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15913 Jeffery, the whole point of the document is to say that -all- human beings are equal in human dignity. The Catholic Church does say that rape, extramarital relationships, and IVF are not the right way to conceive children. But at the same time, it says we must treat all people with dignity regardless of how they were conceived. Moreover, we must treat all people with dignity regardless of whether they are "fully functional", "healthy enough", "the right age", "the right race", or any other form of discrimination we might think up. Jeffery, the whole point of the document is to say that -all- human beings are equal in human dignity. The Catholic Church does say that rape, extramarital relationships, and IVF are not the right way to conceive children. But at the same time, it says we must treat all people with dignity regardless of how they were conceived. Moreover, we must treat all people with dignity regardless of whether they are “fully functional”, “healthy enough”, “the right age”, “the right race”, or any other form of discrimination we might think up.

]]> By: Mike http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15911 Mike Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:12:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15911 The Catholic Church is more concerned about clusters of undifferentiated cells than it is about fully grown adults, to wit its policies on condom usage as protection against sexually transmitted diseases, even having its African bishops spreading falsehoods about condoms being precontaminated with HIV by Europeans ( I guess that includes the Vatican) trying to wipe out Africans. The Catholic Church is more concerned about clusters of undifferentiated cells than it is about fully grown adults, to wit its policies on condom usage as protection against sexually transmitted diseases, even having its African bishops spreading falsehoods about condoms being precontaminated with HIV by Europeans ( I guess that includes the Vatican) trying to wipe out Africans.

]]> By: Jeffery Lowers http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15883 Jeffery Lowers Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:02:25 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15883 It is illogical to state that "every human life is sacred" and then deny the scientifically derived techniques that have actually created and enhanced human life. There is a small but growing population of "test tube" babies who are fully functional humans. The article here denies these people the right to catholic approval, which is wrong and actually impossible by the tenets of the religious practice. It is illogical to state that “every human life is sacred” and then deny the scientifically derived techniques that have actually created and enhanced human life. There is a small but growing population of “test tube” babies who are fully functional humans. The article here denies these people the right to catholic approval, which is wrong and actually impossible by the tenets of the religious practice.

]]> By: Catholic physician http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15881 Catholic physician Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:28:48 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15881 I am very, very pleasantly suprised to read such a description of Dignitas Personae on a science blog. It was neither laudatory nor polemical, and simply states the basic facts accurately. One question: why not cite from the document directly? Or from the summary and Q&A provided by the Vatican? That would seem to be even better reporting rather than using indirect sources, even if they are generally reliable sources. Last thing: other than some updates to talk about new technologies like "embryo adoption", none of this is new. Informed Catholics already knew the Church's teaching on IVF, for example. I am very, very pleasantly suprised to read such a description of Dignitas Personae on a science blog. It was neither laudatory nor polemical, and simply states the basic facts accurately.

One question: why not cite from the document directly? Or from the summary and Q&A provided by the Vatican? That would seem to be even better reporting rather than using indirect sources, even if they are generally reliable sources.

Last thing: other than some updates to talk about new technologies like “embryo adoption”, none of this is new. Informed Catholics already knew the Church’s teaching on IVF, for example.

]]> By: Larian LeQuella http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/comment-page-1/#comment-15871 Larian LeQuella Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:48:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/15/vaticans-new-bioethics-rules-grapple-with-21st-century-medical-advances/#comment-15871 Dark Age beliefs for a Bronze-Age ethos? Dark Age beliefs for a Bronze-Age ethos?

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