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	<title>Comments on: Hackers Infiltrate Pentagon&#8217;s $300 Billion Fighter Jet Project</title>
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		<title>By: o0RaidR0o</title>
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		<dc:creator>o0RaidR0o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it will stop the evil that men do by helping the under privileged countries, but it will make it harder for them to recruit from if we shrink the poverty stricken class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it will stop the evil that men do by helping the under privileged countries, but it will make it harder for them to recruit from if we shrink the poverty stricken class.</p>
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		<title>By: Vochilleot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vochilleot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nick, people having nice things isnt going to stop them from doing evil.. look at any crimelord.. rich as balls, still killin fools</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nick, people having nice things isnt going to stop them from doing evil.. look at any crimelord.. rich as balls, still killin fools</p>
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		<title>By: pariah</title>
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		<dc:creator>pariah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line is that this is just our government&#039;s propaganda telling lies. They make vulnerable information on their networks that they want to be hacked, if it even happened at all. It is probably an extension of their constant campaign to incite fear and patriotic idiocy in the US populace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line is that this is just our government&#8217;s propaganda telling lies. They make vulnerable information on their networks that they want to be hacked, if it even happened at all. It is probably an extension of their constant campaign to incite fear and patriotic idiocy in the US populace.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US has tamped down our hacker community to enough of a degree that it pales in comparison to the communities in China and Russia which were embraced by the state to use for their own advancement.  This article while disappointing, isn&#039;t really surprising to me. Our govt lacks the will to apply the proper security to their most valuable secrets and lacks the manpower to protect it. So they either need to create a non-internet connected network for R&amp;D or they need to get use to us doing all the research for Russia and China&#039;s military. 

It&#039;s really pathetic that in the richest country in the world we&#039;ll spend billions of dollars to develop something but won&#039;t spend the money to properly protect it. I guess we should all just sit back and keep telling ourselves we&#039;re the greatest everything in the world and just keep riding on our past accomplishments as it all deteriorates under us. 

The lethargy of our government is pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US has tamped down our hacker community to enough of a degree that it pales in comparison to the communities in China and Russia which were embraced by the state to use for their own advancement.  This article while disappointing, isn&#8217;t really surprising to me. Our govt lacks the will to apply the proper security to their most valuable secrets and lacks the manpower to protect it. So they either need to create a non-internet connected network for R&#038;D or they need to get use to us doing all the research for Russia and China&#8217;s military. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really pathetic that in the richest country in the world we&#8217;ll spend billions of dollars to develop something but won&#8217;t spend the money to properly protect it. I guess we should all just sit back and keep telling ourselves we&#8217;re the greatest everything in the world and just keep riding on our past accomplishments as it all deteriorates under us. </p>
<p>The lethargy of our government is pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Percival</title>
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		<dc:creator>Percival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public is WAY too resourceful and nosy now to blindly believe everything the government says/does. What Jim says is a perfect example of politicians sending up false flags in order for the public to except the idea of our troops going to act as world police and fight unnecessary wars.

Didn&#039;t a high school student get in a lot of trouble a few years ago for hacking into the pentagon? Its clearly not as difficult as it should be. I worked at a newspaper and even OUR sensitive information and not-yet edited stories weren&#039;t exchanged back and forth over the internet. And we were just a medium sized newspaper competing with the readership the Washington Post has... with the majority of our world news coming from McClatchy, Getty and the AP.

The accusations smell really fishy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public is WAY too resourceful and nosy now to blindly believe everything the government says/does. What Jim says is a perfect example of politicians sending up false flags in order for the public to except the idea of our troops going to act as world police and fight unnecessary wars.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t a high school student get in a lot of trouble a few years ago for hacking into the pentagon? Its clearly not as difficult as it should be. I worked at a newspaper and even OUR sensitive information and not-yet edited stories weren&#8217;t exchanged back and forth over the internet. And we were just a medium sized newspaper competing with the readership the Washington Post has&#8230; with the majority of our world news coming from McClatchy, Getty and the AP.</p>
<p>The accusations smell really fishy.</p>
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		<title>By: Boberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with dan</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, although I get your point regarding Nick&#039;s statement about giving terrorists luxury cars, but I don&#039;t think Nick was specifically intending on actually wanting the government to do so. I just think Nick was being idealistic, and was simply throwing ideas out into the public. I don&#039;t think you should have attacked him in that manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, although I get your point regarding Nick&#8217;s statement about giving terrorists luxury cars, but I don&#8217;t think Nick was specifically intending on actually wanting the government to do so. I just think Nick was being idealistic, and was simply throwing ideas out into the public. I don&#8217;t think you should have attacked him in that manner.</p>
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		<title>By: CoryC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*  We need to give up.  China rules our a$$e$ now anyway...  Why spend 300 billion to make a jet when they now know almost all about it.  Hell, we&#039;re making a 300 billion dollar piece of flying junk.  Just wait, in a few years we&#039;ll see the Fake 22 Raptor out for sale at 1/5 the price and the Chinese&#039;ll probably sell it to everyone they can, just like they do fake Harry Potter books and fake DVDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*  We need to give up.  China rules our a$$e$ now anyway&#8230;  Why spend 300 billion to make a jet when they now know almost all about it.  Hell, we&#8217;re making a 300 billion dollar piece of flying junk.  Just wait, in a few years we&#8217;ll see the Fake 22 Raptor out for sale at 1/5 the price and the Chinese&#8217;ll probably sell it to everyone they can, just like they do fake Harry Potter books and fake DVDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim123</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cold war is over my @#%#! butt.  They&#039;re just keeping their heads down while assist them in building up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cold war is over my @#%#! butt.  They&#8217;re just keeping their heads down while assist them in building up.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And, I mean, WOW, terabytes of data&quot;

Yes, even my little country with limited popution and resources has a 622Mbps connection to Seattle from our 10 Gb national research network. That&#039;s just an education network. Students at schools and Universities have access to it. That&#039;s a capacity to download a GB from Internet2 or NLR through Seattle in just 12 seconds. And we really are small.
There are advanced fibre networks lighting up many parts of the globe now, and it&#039;s expanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, I mean, WOW, terabytes of data&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, even my little country with limited popution and resources has a 622Mbps connection to Seattle from our 10 Gb national research network. That&#8217;s just an education network. Students at schools and Universities have access to it. That&#8217;s a capacity to download a GB from Internet2 or NLR through Seattle in just 12 seconds. And we really are small.<br />
There are advanced fibre networks lighting up many parts of the globe now, and it&#8217;s expanding.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cassady</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cassady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Nick, you think we should give terrorists luxury cars? Thank you for making it so easy to ignore your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Nick, you think we should give terrorists luxury cars? Thank you for making it so easy to ignore your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why the defense computers are linked to the internet. I work in research for a Fortune 500 company, anything I do that is sensitive is not connected to the inter or intranet. Anything on a computer that is connected to a network must be considered public knowledge because there is no level of certainty of confidentiality. The contractors were irresponsible and should be fined. The DOD created the intranet when it created Darpanet. They should have their own isolated separate  network. If they could do it in the 70&#039;s then can certainly do it today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why the defense computers are linked to the internet. I work in research for a Fortune 500 company, anything I do that is sensitive is not connected to the inter or intranet. Anything on a computer that is connected to a network must be considered public knowledge because there is no level of certainty of confidentiality. The contractors were irresponsible and should be fined. The DOD created the intranet when it created Darpanet. They should have their own isolated separate  network. If they could do it in the 70&#8217;s then can certainly do it today.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s just as likely that the hacks originated *here* - think of how many times in our history we&#039;ve had spies, sometimes at very high levels. And, I mean, WOW, terabytes of data? This must have gone on quite a while before they noticed it, especially over slow international links (yes, even if the hacks originated here they could easily route through foreign countries - what better cover than to blame those we love to rattle sabres at?). 

I wish they&#039;d spend $300 billion trying to fix us instead of on ways of killing people who aren&#039;t really even threatening us.

Think of it this way - terrorism is like cancer - cutting it out (surgery as a metaphor for war) will almost certainly leave behind remnants, and you only need one to keep the fight alive. Remove the will to fight (hypothetical: if everyone is rolling around in luxury vehicles, seriously, what&#039;s the motivation to bomb?) and you remove the threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s just as likely that the hacks originated *here* &#8211; think of how many times in our history we&#8217;ve had spies, sometimes at very high levels. And, I mean, WOW, terabytes of data? This must have gone on quite a while before they noticed it, especially over slow international links (yes, even if the hacks originated here they could easily route through foreign countries &#8211; what better cover than to blame those we love to rattle sabres at?). </p>
<p>I wish they&#8217;d spend $300 billion trying to fix us instead of on ways of killing people who aren&#8217;t really even threatening us.</p>
<p>Think of it this way &#8211; terrorism is like cancer &#8211; cutting it out (surgery as a metaphor for war) will almost certainly leave behind remnants, and you only need one to keep the fight alive. Remove the will to fight (hypothetical: if everyone is rolling around in luxury vehicles, seriously, what&#8217;s the motivation to bomb?) and you remove the threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Carman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we can get the hackers to figure out how to repair the Trident as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we can get the hackers to figure out how to repair the Trident as well?</p>
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