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	<title>Comments on: Fears of a Swine Flu Pandemic Increase as the Virus Goes Global</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 16:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing to fear but hype itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing to fear but hype itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Tacoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tacoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax. If you get sick and die, what of it? It&#039;s not like you&#039;re going to be around a hundred years from now anyway. If anything you&#039;re saved the pain of a long infirmity in your 80s (assuming you take care of yourself, I see plenty of infirm people in their 60s). And it&#039;s not like your life will have an impact on everyone else. You won&#039;t be remembered for anything and your children will be just as boring and pointless. Life is all about enjoying what&#039;s going on and it soon ends regardless of your actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax. If you get sick and die, what of it? It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re going to be around a hundred years from now anyway. If anything you&#8217;re saved the pain of a long infirmity in your 80s (assuming you take care of yourself, I see plenty of infirm people in their 60s). And it&#8217;s not like your life will have an impact on everyone else. You won&#8217;t be remembered for anything and your children will be just as boring and pointless. Life is all about enjoying what&#8217;s going on and it soon ends regardless of your actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisette Root</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisette Root</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any way to know if this virus has been genetically modified or even created?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any way to know if this virus has been genetically modified or even created?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain how viruses evolve with porcine, avian, and human strains?  I&#039;d like to have a better understanding of this from someone who has experience working with diseases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain how viruses evolve with porcine, avian, and human strains?  I&#8217;d like to have a better understanding of this from someone who has experience working with diseases.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Patients AREN&#039;T presenting with blue skin. (As was the case with the 1918 avian/human flu strain.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: Patients AREN&#8217;T presenting with blue skin. (As was the case with the 1918 avian/human flu strain.)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/04/27/fears-of-a-swine-flu-pandemic-increase-as-the-virus-goes-global/comment-page-1/#comment-25063</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s panicked. Most of what he is saying is unfounded and based on wiki-surfing. The &quot;facts&quot; he&#039;s presenting are simply unfounded. For example, &quot;there is a 6.3% mortality rate.&quot; Purely fictional. In fact, the WHO has a fact sheet on the illness and quote a high morbidity and low mortality. Please understand that for every confirmed case there are likely dozens of unconfirmed or simply unreported cases. Don&#039;t use the data from confirmed deaths (which is generally more accurate) against the data for confirmed cases--which is usually entirely inaccurate. You will have skewed results every time.

Moreover, the 1918 strain and the current strain aren&#039;t even somewhat close at this point. There is no evidence of cytokine storms in patients, patients are presenting with blue skin etc. They just aren&#039;t the same or similar. And even if it were or they become similar we are far better equipped to deal with them than we were in 1918.

Stop panicking. The scariest part is the fear. People get sick. It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s panicked. Most of what he is saying is unfounded and based on wiki-surfing. The &#8220;facts&#8221; he&#8217;s presenting are simply unfounded. For example, &#8220;there is a 6.3% mortality rate.&#8221; Purely fictional. In fact, the WHO has a fact sheet on the illness and quote a high morbidity and low mortality. Please understand that for every confirmed case there are likely dozens of unconfirmed or simply unreported cases. Don&#8217;t use the data from confirmed deaths (which is generally more accurate) against the data for confirmed cases&#8211;which is usually entirely inaccurate. You will have skewed results every time.</p>
<p>Moreover, the 1918 strain and the current strain aren&#8217;t even somewhat close at this point. There is no evidence of cytokine storms in patients, patients are presenting with blue skin etc. They just aren&#8217;t the same or similar. And even if it were or they become similar we are far better equipped to deal with them than we were in 1918.</p>
<p>Stop panicking. The scariest part is the fear. People get sick. It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barb,
Well aren&#039;t you just all sweetness and light.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb,<br />
Well aren&#8217;t you just all sweetness and light.<br />
b</p>
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		<title>By: Barb Lamont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb Lamont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1918:

In large U.S cities, more than 10,000 deaths per week were attributed to the virus. It is estimated that as many as 50% of the population was infected, and ~1% died. To compare, in &quot;normal&quot; (interpandemic) years, it is estimated that between 10-20% of the population is infected, with a .008% mortality.

The fact the current &#039;swine flu&#039; has shown to be contagious is alarming. So far the virus has shown to have a 6% to 6.3% mortality rate. It may not seem like much, but please consider the following: The deadly influenza panic in 1918 had a mortality rate of under 1%.

This virus went on to kill tens of thousands of healthy people a day in large cities and up to 100 million people world wide. 

Viruses, like this strain of swine flu, kill their host by over-stimulating active immune systems that are robust and healthy. That is why the victims in Mexico were between the ages of 20 and 45.

Some have said that no one in the United States have died from the virus, so we need not worry. Experts say it is only a matter of time. The virus is not prevalent enough to reach statistical significance in the United States, with only a handful of confirmed cases. 93.7% of all Mexicans with the virus recovered.

More cause for worry: The 1918 virus started off &#039;mild&#039; before it mutated into a raging storm. It also does not mean we will see millions of deaths. It is too early to draw sweeping conclusions. Nevertheless, there is potential for a disastrous pandemic. If 50% of Americans catch this flu in the next two years, and the mortality rate stays at 6.3%, we would witness 20+ million deaths.

This strain of virus is more potent and more deadly than the virus that hammered the world in 1918 and 1919. Viruses come in waves. There are striking similarities to this virus and the virus that killed up to 100 million people in 1918. The first wave is historically more mild than the later waves.

In addition to this virus becoming more severe, it is mutating faster than previous virus that we have seen. In addition, this virus is nothing like we have ever seen before because it combines features from viruses natural in different parts of the globe. We are in uncharted territory.

If it follows the same path as the 1918 flu, we will see very damaging results. However, we must remember we are a global society now and the virus can spread quicker than we have ever witnessed in history. This is very concerning especially since the drugs we have now seem resistant.

While there have been no deaths in America, it is shadowed by the fact the common variable among the deaths seem to be age. While most American cases have involved the very young and very old (under 10 and over 50) the Mexican cases that ended fatally involved the robust and healthy (over 20 and under 45).

This virus kills the host by over-stimulating the immune system. The term that is used when the immune system over reacts is called a Cytokine Storm. It is usually fatal. During this “Storm” over 150 inflammatory mediators are released. This would account for the high mortality rate in 1918-19.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1918:</p>
<p>In large U.S cities, more than 10,000 deaths per week were attributed to the virus. It is estimated that as many as 50% of the population was infected, and ~1% died. To compare, in &#8220;normal&#8221; (interpandemic) years, it is estimated that between 10-20% of the population is infected, with a .008% mortality.</p>
<p>The fact the current &#8216;swine flu&#8217; has shown to be contagious is alarming. So far the virus has shown to have a 6% to 6.3% mortality rate. It may not seem like much, but please consider the following: The deadly influenza panic in 1918 had a mortality rate of under 1%.</p>
<p>This virus went on to kill tens of thousands of healthy people a day in large cities and up to 100 million people world wide. </p>
<p>Viruses, like this strain of swine flu, kill their host by over-stimulating active immune systems that are robust and healthy. That is why the victims in Mexico were between the ages of 20 and 45.</p>
<p>Some have said that no one in the United States have died from the virus, so we need not worry. Experts say it is only a matter of time. The virus is not prevalent enough to reach statistical significance in the United States, with only a handful of confirmed cases. 93.7% of all Mexicans with the virus recovered.</p>
<p>More cause for worry: The 1918 virus started off &#8216;mild&#8217; before it mutated into a raging storm. It also does not mean we will see millions of deaths. It is too early to draw sweeping conclusions. Nevertheless, there is potential for a disastrous pandemic. If 50% of Americans catch this flu in the next two years, and the mortality rate stays at 6.3%, we would witness 20+ million deaths.</p>
<p>This strain of virus is more potent and more deadly than the virus that hammered the world in 1918 and 1919. Viruses come in waves. There are striking similarities to this virus and the virus that killed up to 100 million people in 1918. The first wave is historically more mild than the later waves.</p>
<p>In addition to this virus becoming more severe, it is mutating faster than previous virus that we have seen. In addition, this virus is nothing like we have ever seen before because it combines features from viruses natural in different parts of the globe. We are in uncharted territory.</p>
<p>If it follows the same path as the 1918 flu, we will see very damaging results. However, we must remember we are a global society now and the virus can spread quicker than we have ever witnessed in history. This is very concerning especially since the drugs we have now seem resistant.</p>
<p>While there have been no deaths in America, it is shadowed by the fact the common variable among the deaths seem to be age. While most American cases have involved the very young and very old (under 10 and over 50) the Mexican cases that ended fatally involved the robust and healthy (over 20 and under 45).</p>
<p>This virus kills the host by over-stimulating the immune system. The term that is used when the immune system over reacts is called a Cytokine Storm. It is usually fatal. During this “Storm” over 150 inflammatory mediators are released. This would account for the high mortality rate in 1918-19.</p>
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