Comments on: Hydrogen Car Goes Down Like the Hindenburg: DoE Kills the Program http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/ 80beats is DISCOVER's news aggregator, weaving together the choicest tidbits from the best articles covering the day\'s most compelling topics. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:30:03 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: waldo http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-66898 waldo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:17:17 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-66898 i have made a hydrogen generator using 2 coke cans one inside the other,a plastic soft drink bottle cut in half a piece of scrap wood cut round to fit the bottle,tubing through the lid,add water and baking soda a battery charger and i made hydrogen....how cheap is that! i have made a hydrogen generator using 2 coke cans one inside the other,a plastic soft drink bottle cut in half a piece of scrap wood cut round to fit the bottle,tubing through the lid,add water and baking soda a battery charger and i made hydrogen….how cheap is that!

]]> By: No name http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-51081 No name Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:02:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-51081 How about investing in the air car technology. http://www.mdi.lu/english/ How about investing in the air car technology.

http://www.mdi.lu/english/

]]> By: Brian http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-46955 Brian Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:10:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-46955 Anyone who types in all capital letters deserves to be treated like the lunatics who stand on street corners, shouting at the universe. Every major city has one or two of these at minimum. THE OLD GREY MARE SHE AIN'T WHAT SHE USED TO BE! AIN'T WHAT SHE USED TO BE! AIN'T WHAT SHE USED TO BE! Anyone who types in all capital letters deserves to be treated like the lunatics who stand on street corners, shouting at the universe. Every major city has one or two of these at minimum.

THE OLD GREY MARE SHE AIN’T WHAT SHE USED TO BE!
AIN’T WHAT SHE USED TO BE!
AIN’T WHAT SHE USED TO BE!

]]> By: Uk PHIL http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-38847 Uk PHIL Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:45:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-38847 WHAT ABOUT THE NICE OLD MAN ON YOU TUBE THAT THREW OUT HIS ENGINE AND ATTATCHED AN OVERUNITY MAGNEITIC MOTOR TO HIS GEERBOX AND DRIVES LIKE A NORMAL CAR? OR THE TWO OZZI GUYS THAT HAVE AN OVERUNITY MAGNETIC MOTOR THAT WILL POWER A WHOLE HOUSE? THAT ONE MADE NATIONAL NEWS, COME ON GUYS, "THEY DONT WANT YOU TO HAVE IT" WHAT ABOUT THE NICE OLD MAN ON YOU TUBE THAT THREW OUT HIS ENGINE AND ATTATCHED AN OVERUNITY MAGNEITIC MOTOR TO HIS GEERBOX AND DRIVES LIKE A NORMAL CAR?
OR THE TWO OZZI GUYS THAT HAVE AN OVERUNITY MAGNETIC MOTOR THAT WILL POWER A WHOLE HOUSE? THAT ONE MADE NATIONAL NEWS, COME ON GUYS, “THEY DONT WANT YOU TO HAVE IT”

]]> By: K http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-35487 K Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:49:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-35487 I have to agree with promoting large FC for use by utilities first. A vehicle owner is only going to use his FC car a few hours a day. Most will use them less than one hour per day. It simply makes sense to maximize the use of a very expensive device. And FC in vehicles will face temperature extremes and vibrations that a utility can minimize. The big question is really cost. Current and future. I recommend a trip to FuelCell Energy Corporations web site. They are based in Connecticut and have been selling big FC installations for quite some time. Real stuff, not someday, stuff. They seem to produce for about $1M/MW. Most of their sales are to Korea. The government there is heavily subsidizing FC utilization. fyi http://www.fuelcellenergy.com/ I have to agree with promoting large FC for use by utilities first.

A vehicle owner is only going to use his FC car a few hours a day. Most will use them less than one hour per day.

It simply makes sense to maximize the use of a very expensive device. And FC in vehicles will face temperature extremes and vibrations that a utility can minimize.

The big question is really cost. Current and future. I recommend a trip to FuelCell Energy Corporations web site. They are based in Connecticut and have been selling big FC installations for quite some time. Real stuff, not someday, stuff.

They seem to produce for about $1M/MW.

Most of their sales are to Korea. The government there is heavily subsidizing FC utilization.

fyi http://www.fuelcellenergy.com/

]]> By: Betty http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-28647 Betty Tue, 26 May 2009 21:49:44 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-28647 With all the talk about it not being feasible is malarkey. It is true that "easiest" way to produce hydrogen is to burn petro fuel, BUT that is only if you intend have cars that require the "gas" be pumped into the car. Hyrdogen on Demand vehicles would not require you to pump anything into them but water and should work well with gray and salt water to boot. Hydrogen on Demand (HOD) power has been around for at least 80 years. Due to the funding cuts, companies that had been researching HOD vehicle technology has had to put these projects in suspended animiation. Although a viable and fast to road alternative, electric cars still use fuel, the electricity comes from power plants which are more than likely going to burn coal, natural gas, or oil to produce the power. Many have limited range and power considerations. If you have to travel on roads/highways/loops where you go over 45 miles per hour, the electric car is not allowed in many states thus you are relgated to the surface streets. The trade off here is taking more time to get to your destination. The answer here folks, is not to cut one technology for another. For example, we should be looking at both short term and long term solutions to the problem. For example, the fastest way to reduce at least 30 percent of the emissions in this country is to FORCE companies to send their non-essential employees home to work. This is a quick solution that saves both the employee and employer money. This would include knowledge workers, call centers, and office workers. The biggest investment in this case is bandwidth. In some cities, this might comprise as much as 50-60 percent of the work force. In addition, USE biofuel such as biodiesal (100 percent) for the trucks, trains and possibly even Jets. Did you know that Algol OIL (produced from Algae) produces a very high yield per acre while reducing 80 percent emissions and can be grown just about anywhere. As far as commuting transportation is concerned, the air car, air bus, and air pod technologies are on the cusp and we should see them in this country (USA) soon late 2010 and 2011. The air car for example, has a range of around 800 miles on a charge, takes 4 hours to charge, and is capable of speeds over 100 miles per hour. Also, on the horizon is capacitor technology. With all the talk about it not being feasible is malarkey. It is true that “easiest” way to produce hydrogen is to burn petro fuel, BUT that is only if you intend have cars that require the “gas” be pumped into the car. Hyrdogen on Demand vehicles would not require you to pump anything into them but water and should work well with gray and salt water to boot.

Hydrogen on Demand (HOD) power has been around for at least 80 years. Due to the funding cuts, companies that had been researching HOD vehicle technology has had to put these projects in suspended animiation. Although a viable and fast to road alternative, electric cars still use fuel, the electricity comes from power plants which are more than likely going to burn coal, natural gas, or oil to produce the power. Many have limited range and power considerations. If you have to travel on roads/highways/loops where you go over 45 miles per hour, the electric car is not allowed in many states thus you are relgated to the surface streets. The trade off here is taking more time to get to your destination.

The answer here folks, is not to cut one technology for another. For example, we should be looking at both short term and long term solutions to the problem. For example, the fastest way to reduce at least 30 percent of the emissions in this country is to FORCE companies to send their non-essential employees home to work. This is a quick solution that saves both the employee and employer money. This would include knowledge workers, call centers, and office workers. The biggest investment in this case is bandwidth. In some cities, this might comprise as much as 50-60 percent of the work force.

In addition, USE biofuel such as biodiesal (100 percent) for the trucks, trains and possibly even Jets. Did you know that Algol OIL (produced from Algae) produces a very high yield per acre while reducing 80 percent emissions and can be grown just about anywhere. As far as commuting transportation is concerned, the air car, air bus, and air pod technologies are on the cusp and we should see them in this country (USA) soon late 2010 and 2011. The air car for example, has a range of around 800 miles on a charge, takes 4 hours to charge, and is capable of speeds over 100 miles per hour. Also, on the horizon is capacitor technology.

]]> By: Dave in Calif http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-27551 Dave in Calif Tue, 19 May 2009 19:06:52 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-27551 I see San Diego is building a new salt- to fresh water plant, when they do this maybe they can siphon off some hydrogen? Throw in some electrodes and whalla H2. I see San Diego is building a new salt- to fresh water plant, when they do this maybe they can siphon off some hydrogen? Throw in some electrodes and whalla H2.

]]> By: Harv http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-27007 Harv Fri, 15 May 2009 16:23:29 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-27007 I'm sorry I didn't see this story sooner. I doubt that I will get much feed back. I really get a big laugh reading all the comments, they are typical. Most of which seem like well intentioned BS. From my experience "Stunnded" seemed to know what he was talking about. Ten thousand miles ago I purchased a experimental hydrogen generator for my car with the idea of marketing them if it worked. I've been testing the thing for months. Guess what, IT WORKS! It increased my mpg by over 20% at 60 mph. It does just as well when I running at 40 mph. Also, it burns cleaner and has more power. It runs on baking soda or lye and distilled water. You don't need to build huge plants/factories to extract hydrogen form whatever or service stations to dispense hydrogen fuel, all that crap just cost lost of money (of course that is the idea, baffel the people with BS and take their money). How much is does a quart of distilled water and a box of baking soda cost? (Holy Crap, we have to figure a way to get more money out of this). Hook the generator up to your car battery and have at it. (Jesus, folks. this is not rocket science). I add water and baking soda every 1000 miles or so. It does not void the warranty. Folks, it works!! Zero problems!! Great performance!! At the present time the thing cost $900 to $1700 (retail) depending on engine size. These things would not be expensive to mass produce. If you want to know more about it send me an email. I'm always happy to talk to entrepreneurs. Here is an idea, if these things were made in China they would probably cost less then $150 each to bring into the country. Boy, would that upset a lot of big shots in the oil an auto industry. However, I am not going to get too excited about this because I really think that the government will end up squashing this if it really begins to catch on. In the mean time, though, I expect to sell a few thousand of these a year and by maintaining a low profile I will do OK. Again, the unit on my car works great. If you think the government, big oil or the auto industry is really interested in helping solve the problem you are dead wrong. All they want to do is screw you. Happy motoring. I’m sorry I didn’t see this story sooner. I doubt that I will get much feed back. I really get a big laugh reading all the comments, they are typical. Most of which seem like well intentioned BS. From my experience “Stunnded” seemed to know what he was talking about.

Ten thousand miles ago I purchased a experimental hydrogen generator for my car with the idea of marketing them if it worked. I’ve been testing the thing for months. Guess what, IT WORKS! It increased my mpg by over 20% at 60 mph. It does just as well when I running at 40 mph. Also, it burns cleaner and has more power. It runs on baking soda or lye and distilled water. You don’t need to build huge plants/factories to extract hydrogen form whatever or service stations to dispense hydrogen fuel, all that crap just cost lost of money (of course that is the idea, baffel the people with BS and take their money). How much is does a quart of distilled water and a box of baking soda cost? (Holy Crap, we have to figure a way to get more money out of this). Hook the generator up to your car battery and have at it. (Jesus, folks. this is not rocket science). I add water and baking soda every 1000 miles or so. It does not void the warranty.

Folks, it works!! Zero problems!! Great performance!!

At the present time the thing cost $900 to $1700 (retail) depending on engine size. These things would not be expensive to mass produce.

If you want to know more about it send me an email. I’m always happy to talk to entrepreneurs.

Here is an idea, if these things were made in China they would probably cost less then $150 each to bring into the country. Boy, would that upset a lot of big shots in the oil an auto industry.

However, I am not going to get too excited about this because I really think that the government will end up squashing this if it really begins to catch on. In the mean time, though, I expect to sell a few thousand of these a year and by maintaining a low profile I will do OK.

Again, the unit on my car works great. If you think the government, big oil or the auto industry is really interested in helping solve the problem you are dead wrong. All they want to do is screw you.

Happy motoring.

]]> By: RICK BADMAN http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26977 RICK BADMAN Fri, 15 May 2009 07:08:12 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26977 If plasma igniters are used to make water into fuel by separating the oxygen from the hydrogen and burning the hydrogen with very high temperatures, water could become the fuel of choice in the near future. Then there are stacked flywheels that may allow a car to travel over 1000 miles nonstop. Use rock quartz or one of my ultra-stressed crystaline materials for the flywheels and seal the units with either water or forced air being used to cool the motor/generator armatures. If my rotary engines work, they could be used to run a generator to respin the flywheels up to speed and power the drive motors. They would use plasma igniters to burn gas at first and then water. Some of the electricity generated by the generator would power the igniters and in the city or during rush hour, flywheels would power the motors. Then you have the steam rotary engine that will run mainly on water for steam and fuel. My ideas, if they work, could cut transportation costs significantly. If plasma igniters are used to make water into fuel by separating the oxygen from the hydrogen and burning the hydrogen with very high temperatures, water could become the fuel of choice in the near future.

Then there are stacked flywheels that may allow a car to travel over 1000 miles nonstop. Use rock quartz or one of my ultra-stressed crystaline materials for the flywheels and seal the units with either water or forced air being used to cool the motor/generator armatures.

If my rotary engines work, they could be used to run a generator to respin the flywheels up to speed and power the drive motors. They would use plasma igniters to burn gas at first and then water. Some of the electricity generated by the generator would power the igniters and in the city or during rush hour, flywheels would power the motors.

Then you have the steam rotary engine that will run mainly on water for steam and fuel. My ideas, if they work, could cut transportation costs significantly.

]]> By: Stjepan http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26757 Stjepan Tue, 12 May 2009 20:15:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26757 [Moderator's note: Stjepan's 6 comments have been deleted because they were rambling and off topic.] [Moderator's note: Stjepan's 6 comments have been deleted because they were rambling and off topic.]

]]> By: Jason http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26744 Jason Tue, 12 May 2009 15:47:02 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26744 Speaking to the issues of battery charges taking too much time; there are a few ways of attacking this. According to <i>Who Killed the Electric Car</i> California built a significant charging infrastructure allowing people to charge wherever they parked. Additionally, <a href="http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/03/lithium-breakthrough-could-charge-batteries-in-10-seconds.ars" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">new research</a> suggests Li batteries can be charged and discharged in 10 seconds, caveats being power infrastructure can't deal with that kind of voltage dump, but one option is to slow charge batteries in stationary refueling stations and quick-dump them to vehicles throughout the day. Beyond that the real benefits of electric over Hydrogen is availability. The only place I know of that Hydrogen is available is Iceland and California's neat little FCX lease for over $700/mo. Right now, hybrids work. They're available today and improving gas mileage by 30%. Regardless of Hydrogen's potential it's limited availability and current costs are not what Stunned indicates. On top of that, every new technology impacts the environment and landscape in potentially unacceptable ways. The biggest objectors of offshore wind farms and tidal generators are environmentalists protecting the turtles & birds, and the ultra-wealthy beach dwellers protecting their views. Speaking to the issues of battery charges taking too much time; there are a few ways of attacking this. According to Who Killed the Electric Car California built a significant charging infrastructure allowing people to charge wherever they parked. Additionally, new research suggests Li batteries can be charged and discharged in 10 seconds, caveats being power infrastructure can’t deal with that kind of voltage dump, but one option is to slow charge batteries in stationary refueling stations and quick-dump them to vehicles throughout the day.

Beyond that the real benefits of electric over Hydrogen is availability. The only place I know of that Hydrogen is available is Iceland and California’s neat little FCX lease for over $700/mo.

Right now, hybrids work. They’re available today and improving gas mileage by 30%. Regardless of Hydrogen’s potential it’s limited availability and current costs are not what Stunned indicates. On top of that, every new technology impacts the environment and landscape in potentially unacceptable ways. The biggest objectors of offshore wind farms and tidal generators are environmentalists protecting the turtles & birds, and the ultra-wealthy beach dwellers protecting their views.

]]> By: Stunned http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26724 Stunned Tue, 12 May 2009 05:34:23 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26724 Who said anything about fuel cells? You can run ANY gasoline engine on hydrogen with only small modifications to the engine and fuel delivery system. Also, for those who espouse the plug-in electric car... Let's see anyone "fill-up" an electric car in anything less than 15 minutes to half an hour... Ain't gonna happen. How 'bout when your batteries wear out in 5 to 10 years. You got an extra $10,000 lying around to replace 'em? "Cuz THAT is NOT part af ANY electric car warranty. Those batteries have a specific life span of how many charges they can take before becoming garbage. And once that # has been reached, you're screwed. Beyond that, how many of those plug-in car lovers would be willing to be spending 15 minutes to 2 hours "filling up" their car after every 50 to 150 miles? (Depending on the vehicle.) You'd be spending half of your drive of any long distance "filling up" you vehicle. Idiocy. Hydrogen can be used NOW. In all vehicles NOW. For less than $1000 per vehicle NOW. No battery to replce, no complicated and less than perfectly efficient fuel cell, just a tank of compressed hydrogen - (Don't even think it. Hydrogen is safer than ANY of the current fuels being used.) - and a modification to the engines' fuel delivery system. Let's see... How much is the cheapest plug-in car? About $40,000 for anything most of you would even consider being seen in. How much to convert a current vehicle to hydrogen? $1000. Will you ever be able to travel as far on a battery as you can on a tank of hydrogen? No. Never. The amount of energy available between a couple of dissimilar materials (A battery) will never equal that available from hydrogen. NEVER. The materials available to us at this time have nearly reached their peak in their ability to store energy. It's gonna take an entirely new material or materials to improve the battery technology enough to make it a realistic vehicle technology. Othrwise there's just no point to battery powered vehicles. They can't be refilled quickly. They cost nearly double what a conventional car does. And always will. They have a VERY limited distance they can travel before neeeding a recharge. And the battery will NEVER last as long as a fuel cell or an engine that runs on hydrogen. So, please, you electric vehicle lovers... STOP IT! You're just embarrasing yourselves. They have NO benefit over hydrogen whatsoever. PERIOD. Slow to recharge. Expensive. Batteries that go bad and cost you $10,000 or the car is GARBAGE. There are no benefits. Get over it. It was a promising idea 20 years ago, not anymore. Something better and more effective and efficient has come along to fill that hole. It's called hydrogen. It can be made on every ocean coast using the sea water as the hydrogen supply, and tidal generators for converting the water to hydrogen. - Self contained energy production infrastucture. - (No external power required to create storable and transportable energy.) Gee, wouldn't want something like that would we? Who said anything about fuel cells? You can run ANY gasoline engine on hydrogen with only small modifications to the engine and fuel delivery system. Also, for those who espouse the plug-in electric car… Let’s see anyone “fill-up” an electric car in anything less than 15 minutes to half an hour… Ain’t gonna happen. How ’bout when your batteries wear out in 5 to 10 years. You got an extra $10,000 lying around to replace ‘em? “Cuz THAT is NOT part af ANY electric car warranty. Those batteries have a specific life span of how many charges they can take before becoming garbage. And once that # has been reached, you’re screwed. Beyond that, how many of those plug-in car lovers would be willing to be spending 15 minutes to 2 hours “filling up” their car after every 50 to 150 miles? (Depending on the vehicle.) You’d be spending half of your drive of any long distance “filling up” you vehicle. Idiocy. Hydrogen can be used NOW. In all vehicles NOW. For less than $1000 per vehicle NOW. No battery to replce, no complicated and less than perfectly efficient fuel cell, just a tank of compressed hydrogen – (Don’t even think it. Hydrogen is safer than ANY of the current fuels being used.) – and a modification to the engines’ fuel delivery system. Let’s see… How much is the cheapest plug-in car? About $40,000 for anything most of you would even consider being seen in. How much to convert a current vehicle to hydrogen? $1000. Will you ever be able to travel as far on a battery as you can on a tank of hydrogen? No. Never. The amount of energy available between a couple of dissimilar materials (A battery) will never equal that available from hydrogen. NEVER. The materials available to us at this time have nearly reached their peak in their ability to store energy. It’s gonna take an entirely new material or materials to improve the battery technology enough to make it a realistic vehicle technology. Othrwise there’s just no point to battery powered vehicles. They can’t be refilled quickly. They cost nearly double what a conventional car does. And always will. They have a VERY limited distance they can travel before neeeding a recharge. And the battery will NEVER last as long as a fuel cell or an engine that runs on hydrogen. So, please, you electric vehicle lovers… STOP IT! You’re just embarrasing yourselves. They have NO benefit over hydrogen whatsoever. PERIOD. Slow to recharge. Expensive. Batteries that go bad and cost you $10,000 or the car is GARBAGE. There are no benefits. Get over it. It was a promising idea 20 years ago, not anymore. Something better and more effective and efficient has come along to fill that hole. It’s called hydrogen. It can be made on every ocean coast using the sea water as the hydrogen supply, and tidal generators for converting the water to hydrogen. – Self contained energy production infrastucture. – (No external power required to create storable and transportable energy.) Gee, wouldn’t want something like that would we?

]]> By: Brian http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26713 Brian Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:08 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26713 Given some of the bizarre postings here, I feel obliged to add my own: All we need to solve the hydrogen storage/transportation problem, is metallic hydrogen. There is some theoretical idea that metallic hydrogen may be stable at room temperatures and pressures. Therefore I propose that we begin subsurface mining of metallic hydrogen on Jupiter immediately! Never mind that no one knows if metallic hydrogen exists at all. Never mind that no one knows if metallic hydrogen exists on Jupiter. Never mind that no one knows if metallic hydrogen can be feasibly oxidized. Never mind that the pressures involved would turn the miners, or their equipment, into a reasonable facsimile of metallic hydrogen. Doubt is for the weak-kneed!! Given some of the bizarre postings here, I feel obliged to add my own:

All we need to solve the hydrogen storage/transportation problem, is metallic hydrogen. There is some theoretical idea that metallic hydrogen may be stable at room temperatures and pressures. Therefore I propose that we begin subsurface mining of metallic hydrogen on Jupiter immediately!

Never mind that no one knows if metallic hydrogen exists at all. Never mind that no one knows if metallic hydrogen exists on Jupiter. Never mind that no one knows if metallic hydrogen can be feasibly oxidized. Never mind that the pressures involved would turn the miners, or their equipment, into a reasonable facsimile of metallic hydrogen. Doubt is for the weak-kneed!!

]]> By: FILTHpig http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26710 FILTHpig Mon, 11 May 2009 23:01:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26710 LOL @ Egaeus! LOL @ Egaeus!

]]> By: NicoleW http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/comment-page-1/#comment-26693 NicoleW Mon, 11 May 2009 19:50:54 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/05/08/hydrogen-car-goes-down-like-the-hindenburg-doe-kills-the-program/#comment-26693 Oh dear! New infrastructure and filling stations could cost as much as $200 billion?! Where on earth would the goverment/private business get that kind of money to get us off the foreign oil? Hint: how much did they just waste on the "stimulus" package and TARP? Are we really going to transition to electric cars at the same time that cap & trade is going to exponentially increase the cost of electricity? Yet another example of government keeping us so busy trying not to be poor that we have no time to keep an eye on them. Oh dear! New infrastructure and filling stations could cost as much as $200 billion?! Where on earth would the goverment/private business get that kind of money to get us off the foreign oil? Hint: how much did they just waste on the “stimulus” package and TARP?

Are we really going to transition to electric cars at the same time that cap & trade is going to exponentially increase the cost of electricity? Yet another example of government keeping us so busy trying not to be poor that we have no time to keep an eye on them.

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