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	<title>Comments on: Thump of an Embryo&#8217;s Heart Kicks a Stem-Cell Factory Into Gear</title>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony - you left out the key word: embryonic.  Stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research are two entirely different things.  If science can&#039;t respect our society&#039;s standards for life, then by all means we have a right and responsibility to stand up and make ourselves heard.  

Where does one draw the line?  If we can create human organs should we?  If we can only do that by aborting fetuses, is that acceptable?  Is it morally correct to create a living breathing human life?  What of the side effects that will no doubt be present in the first trials?  Is it ok to deliberately inflict that suffering and torment on a life for the advancement of science?  Is it ok to clone a child that has been accidentally killed?  How about to fight our wars?  Do we have the right to bring a child into the world without parents?  

These are moral issues, not scientific challenges.  We&#039;ve seen where science without regard to morals or values has led in the past.  I think it is prudent to make a stand in an effort to avoid going there.  Remember, society is shared by you and me, not either exclusively.  We must both work together to respect each other while advancing our capabilities as humans.  However, we must also be sure to do this within the bounds of acceptable behavior and correct principles.  Principles must govern our actions.

And yes, if by &quot;clowns&quot;, you mean the majority of Americans, then by all means, censor us.  Where do your priorities ie sanctity of life and free speech stand?  After all, this is a PUBLIC forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony &#8211; you left out the key word: embryonic.  Stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research are two entirely different things.  If science can&#8217;t respect our society&#8217;s standards for life, then by all means we have a right and responsibility to stand up and make ourselves heard.  </p>
<p>Where does one draw the line?  If we can create human organs should we?  If we can only do that by aborting fetuses, is that acceptable?  Is it morally correct to create a living breathing human life?  What of the side effects that will no doubt be present in the first trials?  Is it ok to deliberately inflict that suffering and torment on a life for the advancement of science?  Is it ok to clone a child that has been accidentally killed?  How about to fight our wars?  Do we have the right to bring a child into the world without parents?  </p>
<p>These are moral issues, not scientific challenges.  We&#8217;ve seen where science without regard to morals or values has led in the past.  I think it is prudent to make a stand in an effort to avoid going there.  Remember, society is shared by you and me, not either exclusively.  We must both work together to respect each other while advancing our capabilities as humans.  However, we must also be sure to do this within the bounds of acceptable behavior and correct principles.  Principles must govern our actions.</p>
<p>And yes, if by &#8220;clowns&#8221;, you mean the majority of Americans, then by all means, censor us.  Where do your priorities ie sanctity of life and free speech stand?  After all, this is a PUBLIC forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this is an article about stem cell research, not an abortion chatline. I rarely read comments left on articles that involve stem cell research for this very reason. This is a scientific magazine, this is no place for pro-life debate! Is there some way we can keep these clowns out of the article responses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this is an article about stem cell research, not an abortion chatline. I rarely read comments left on articles that involve stem cell research for this very reason. This is a scientific magazine, this is no place for pro-life debate! Is there some way we can keep these clowns out of the article responses?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,
Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliza, not to sound brash, but let&#039;s not lose sight of the fact that when we test hairspray on mice, it&#039;s not so we can help the species improve their appearances for job interviews.  There&#039;s a reason we test these types of things on mice.  One reason: they&#039;re strangely similar in genetic makeup to humans.  

There&#039;s only one end to which successful animal testing can lead: human implementation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliza, not to sound brash, but let&#8217;s not lose sight of the fact that when we test hairspray on mice, it&#8217;s not so we can help the species improve their appearances for job interviews.  There&#8217;s a reason we test these types of things on mice.  One reason: they&#8217;re strangely similar in genetic makeup to humans.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one end to which successful animal testing can lead: human implementation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pro choice.  Let me clarify this: I think the woman had the right to choice when she chose to get in bed with a fellow.  She initiated a process called life.  Once started, that sacred process of creating a human, living creature, special above all other creatures we know of; that process cannot be stopped without significant moral consequences, and deficiency.  

The choice, then is for the woman to guard her virtue by employing the power of procreation within the bonds of marriage, when she and a committed partner will be able to care for the new life created, or to forget virtue, and bring life into an environment which is inhospitable or unhealthy for a child&#039;s development.  After all, life is sacred, and it&#039;s not our choice to kill at will.  The woman made her choice with her body, and that which ensues is NOT the choice, but rather the consequence for her actions.  

Why is this so difficult to grasp?  You can borrow money from a loan shark (getting in bed), but you can&#039;t off him just because your deal goes south (abortion).  Why is this any different than the life in a womb?  Now, if that loan shark attacks a stranger on the west side of town at night unprovoked, then that stranger has every right to immediately and terminally dispatch that stain on civilization without second thought.  Similarly, aborting a fetus which was conceived in a rape situation, and even when the life of the mother is at risk is a perfectly sound course of action.  But just because you get knocked up after a few too many doesn&#039;t mean you should have the &quot;right&quot; to kill another.  That&#039;s not a choice we as humans have agreed to within our credo of behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pro choice.  Let me clarify this: I think the woman had the right to choice when she chose to get in bed with a fellow.  She initiated a process called life.  Once started, that sacred process of creating a human, living creature, special above all other creatures we know of; that process cannot be stopped without significant moral consequences, and deficiency.  </p>
<p>The choice, then is for the woman to guard her virtue by employing the power of procreation within the bonds of marriage, when she and a committed partner will be able to care for the new life created, or to forget virtue, and bring life into an environment which is inhospitable or unhealthy for a child&#8217;s development.  After all, life is sacred, and it&#8217;s not our choice to kill at will.  The woman made her choice with her body, and that which ensues is NOT the choice, but rather the consequence for her actions.  </p>
<p>Why is this so difficult to grasp?  You can borrow money from a loan shark (getting in bed), but you can&#8217;t off him just because your deal goes south (abortion).  Why is this any different than the life in a womb?  Now, if that loan shark attacks a stranger on the west side of town at night unprovoked, then that stranger has every right to immediately and terminally dispatch that stain on civilization without second thought.  Similarly, aborting a fetus which was conceived in a rape situation, and even when the life of the mother is at risk is a perfectly sound course of action.  But just because you get knocked up after a few too many doesn&#8217;t mean you should have the &#8220;right&#8221; to kill another.  That&#8217;s not a choice we as humans have agreed to within our credo of behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, people -- let&#039;s not lose sight of the fact that this research was done on ZEBRAFISH and MICE embryos. Nobody is proposing cutting off funding to embryonic stem cell research in lab animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, people &#8212; let&#8217;s not lose sight of the fact that this research was done on ZEBRAFISH and MICE embryos. Nobody is proposing cutting off funding to embryonic stem cell research in lab animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frootbat, so you oppose abortion except in cases of rape? Then we are in agreement along with the vast majority of other conservatives. Welcome to the fold. You&#039;re drifting into the stemcell debate from the abortion debate but, fair enough. The only viable treatment I&#039;ve heard of so far, correct me if I&#039;m wrong, was derived from adult stem cells. And yet everyone persists in villianizing anyone who opposes embryonic research. As far as women having the right to do what they wish with their bodies. Absolutely true. The problem is -- it&#039;s not their body being aborted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frootbat, so you oppose abortion except in cases of rape? Then we are in agreement along with the vast majority of other conservatives. Welcome to the fold. You&#8217;re drifting into the stemcell debate from the abortion debate but, fair enough. The only viable treatment I&#8217;ve heard of so far, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, was derived from adult stem cells. And yet everyone persists in villianizing anyone who opposes embryonic research. As far as women having the right to do what they wish with their bodies. Absolutely true. The problem is &#8212; it&#8217;s not their body being aborted.</p>
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		<title>By: Frootbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frootbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we can feed and house our ridiculously superfluous population and eradicate rape I&#039;ll convert to pro-life.  There&#039;s nothing divine about humanity(see population control of all other animals that we purposfully exempt ourselves from) and if creating cures for terminal illnesses requires the use of a nascent life willingly donated by its creator then I&#039;m all for it.  

Women should retain their fundamental right to choose what happens to and in their bodies regardless of what some narrow perspectived relgious fanatic opines.

On topic, this is fascinating!  I ,honestly, will never understand why this kind of research doesn&#039;t get the funding it deserves(despite the obvious &quot;its a baby&quot; crowd whose lives it saves too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we can feed and house our ridiculously superfluous population and eradicate rape I&#8217;ll convert to pro-life.  There&#8217;s nothing divine about humanity(see population control of all other animals that we purposfully exempt ourselves from) and if creating cures for terminal illnesses requires the use of a nascent life willingly donated by its creator then I&#8217;m all for it.  </p>
<p>Women should retain their fundamental right to choose what happens to and in their bodies regardless of what some narrow perspectived relgious fanatic opines.</p>
<p>On topic, this is fascinating!  I ,honestly, will never understand why this kind of research doesn&#8217;t get the funding it deserves(despite the obvious &#8220;its a baby&#8221; crowd whose lives it saves too).</p>
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		<title>By: Jumblepudding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jumblepudding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ties back into the story about the antioxidants being dangerous. Oxidative stress, like that caused by the presence nitric oxide, is actually necessary for a fetus to develop.  Does that mean pregnant women should be careful with the pre-natal vitamins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ties back into the story about the antioxidants being dangerous. Oxidative stress, like that caused by the presence nitric oxide, is actually necessary for a fetus to develop.  Does that mean pregnant women should be careful with the pre-natal vitamins?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. How does this square with all you conservative-bashing pro-abortionists out there? Still think it&#039;s nothing but a lump of protoplasm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. How does this square with all you conservative-bashing pro-abortionists out there? Still think it&#8217;s nothing but a lump of protoplasm?</p>
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