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		<title>By: Christian Lux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Lux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, typo in previous blog. Read &quot;.... much more in other countries.... &quot;  


The international mathematical olympiads consist of a very difficult math problem-solving competition bringing together the most brilliant teenager mathematical talents in the world. It takes place every year.
Even in the countries which most favor female participation at the mathematical olympiads (like Russia or Bulgaria) there are only 12% to 24% females, which means that males still make up 76% to 84% of exceptionally talented young mathematicians, much more in other countries. On a combined international basis, nearly all golden medals at mathematical olympiads go to boys. Girls just cannot compete against boys at this level.
The reason why there is such an overwhelming male representation in fields like top level mathematics, theoretical physics or astrophysics is actually very simple. It can be explained by the the fact that you need a IQ of at least 3 or 4 standard deviations above the mean of 100 (in other words a IQ of at least 150 or 160) to master the most advanced topics in these disciplines. Now there are numerous studies showing that the standard deviation of males IQ is significantly larger than the standard deviation of females IQ. If you add the fact that the IQ distribution is approximately normal (or gaussian) then you have a very simple explanation of the huge male over-representation in those areas.
Note that exactly the same factors probably explain why there is a huge male over-representation at top levels in games of pure abstract intelligence like chess or checkers. For example, according to the FIDE database of April, 2009 (available free online) there is only 1 female in the best 100 chess players worldwide (1%) and 21 in the first 1000 (2.1%) whereas females represent 7.6% of the overall FIDE chess rated population of about 100,000 players. All the big chess tournaments (like world championships for example) are open to both genders but as the result of the huge gender gap female-only chess tournaments had to be set up in addition to all the other ones open to both genders.
incidentally this male imbalance is not restricted to humans. For example male rats perform more accurately than female rats on tasks that require spatially organized representations. No social factors can explain better male rats performance, certainly not male rats chauvinistic behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, typo in previous blog. Read &#8220;&#8230;. much more in other countries&#8230;. &#8221;  </p>
<p>The international mathematical olympiads consist of a very difficult math problem-solving competition bringing together the most brilliant teenager mathematical talents in the world. It takes place every year.<br />
Even in the countries which most favor female participation at the mathematical olympiads (like Russia or Bulgaria) there are only 12% to 24% females, which means that males still make up 76% to 84% of exceptionally talented young mathematicians, much more in other countries. On a combined international basis, nearly all golden medals at mathematical olympiads go to boys. Girls just cannot compete against boys at this level.<br />
The reason why there is such an overwhelming male representation in fields like top level mathematics, theoretical physics or astrophysics is actually very simple. It can be explained by the the fact that you need a IQ of at least 3 or 4 standard deviations above the mean of 100 (in other words a IQ of at least 150 or 160) to master the most advanced topics in these disciplines. Now there are numerous studies showing that the standard deviation of males IQ is significantly larger than the standard deviation of females IQ. If you add the fact that the IQ distribution is approximately normal (or gaussian) then you have a very simple explanation of the huge male over-representation in those areas.<br />
Note that exactly the same factors probably explain why there is a huge male over-representation at top levels in games of pure abstract intelligence like chess or checkers. For example, according to the FIDE database of April, 2009 (available free online) there is only 1 female in the best 100 chess players worldwide (1%) and 21 in the first 1000 (2.1%) whereas females represent 7.6% of the overall FIDE chess rated population of about 100,000 players. All the big chess tournaments (like world championships for example) are open to both genders but as the result of the huge gender gap female-only chess tournaments had to be set up in addition to all the other ones open to both genders.<br />
incidentally this male imbalance is not restricted to humans. For example male rats perform more accurately than female rats on tasks that require spatially organized representations. No social factors can explain better male rats performance, certainly not male rats chauvinistic behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Lux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Lux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The international mathematical olympiads consist of a very difficult math problem-solving competition bringing together the most brilliant teenager mathematical talents in the world. It takes place every year.
Even in the countries which most favor female participation at the mathematical olympiads (like Russia or Bulgaria) there are only 12% to 24% females, which means that males still make up 76% to 84% of exceptionally talented young mathematicians, much less in other countries. On a combined international basis, nearly all golden medals at mathematical olympiads go to boys. Girls just cannot compete against boys at this level.
The reason why there is such an overwhelming male representation in fields like top level mathematics, theoretical physics or astrophysics is actually very simple. It can be explained by the the fact that you need a IQ of at least  3 or 4 standard deviations above the mean of 100 (in other words a IQ of at least 150 or 160) to master the most advanced topics in these disciplines.  Now there are numerous studies showing that the standard deviation of males IQ is significantly larger than the standard deviation of females IQ.  If you add the fact that the IQ distribution is approximately normal (or gaussian) then you have a very simple explanation of the huge male over-representation in those areas.
Note that exactly the same factors probably explain why there is a huge male over-representation at top levels in games of pure abstract intelligence like chess or checkers. For example, according to the FIDE database of April, 2009 (available free online) there is only 1 female in the best 100 chess players worldwide (1%) and 21 in the first 1000 (2.1%) whereas females represent 7.6% of the overall FIDE chess rated population of about 100,000 players. All the big chess tournaments (like world championships for example) are open to both genders but as the result of the huge gender gap female-only chess tournaments had to be set up in addition to all the other ones open to both genders. 
incidentally this male imbalance is not restricted to humans. For example male rats perform more accurately than female rats on tasks that require spatially organized representations. No social factors can explain better male rats performance, certainly not male rats chauvinistic behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The international mathematical olympiads consist of a very difficult math problem-solving competition bringing together the most brilliant teenager mathematical talents in the world. It takes place every year.<br />
Even in the countries which most favor female participation at the mathematical olympiads (like Russia or Bulgaria) there are only 12% to 24% females, which means that males still make up 76% to 84% of exceptionally talented young mathematicians, much less in other countries. On a combined international basis, nearly all golden medals at mathematical olympiads go to boys. Girls just cannot compete against boys at this level.<br />
The reason why there is such an overwhelming male representation in fields like top level mathematics, theoretical physics or astrophysics is actually very simple. It can be explained by the the fact that you need a IQ of at least  3 or 4 standard deviations above the mean of 100 (in other words a IQ of at least 150 or 160) to master the most advanced topics in these disciplines.  Now there are numerous studies showing that the standard deviation of males IQ is significantly larger than the standard deviation of females IQ.  If you add the fact that the IQ distribution is approximately normal (or gaussian) then you have a very simple explanation of the huge male over-representation in those areas.<br />
Note that exactly the same factors probably explain why there is a huge male over-representation at top levels in games of pure abstract intelligence like chess or checkers. For example, according to the FIDE database of April, 2009 (available free online) there is only 1 female in the best 100 chess players worldwide (1%) and 21 in the first 1000 (2.1%) whereas females represent 7.6% of the overall FIDE chess rated population of about 100,000 players. All the big chess tournaments (like world championships for example) are open to both genders but as the result of the huge gender gap female-only chess tournaments had to be set up in addition to all the other ones open to both genders.<br />
incidentally this male imbalance is not restricted to humans. For example male rats perform more accurately than female rats on tasks that require spatially organized representations. No social factors can explain better male rats performance, certainly not male rats chauvinistic behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Thalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lubos, except that while in the U.S. the math olympiads are won by boys, in Europe that is not the case.  For example in Hungary many of the top mathematicians were/are female.  Maybe Eastern European women have different physiology or psychology from American women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lubos, except that while in the U.S. the math olympiads are won by boys, in Europe that is not the case.  For example in Hungary many of the top mathematicians were/are female.  Maybe Eastern European women have different physiology or psychology from American women?</p>
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		<title>By: Luboš Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luboš Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just voting into the European Parliament. When I left the school, all the 39 tickets except one that I submitted were spread across the road by the wind.

Fortunately, a class of small girls was nearby and they helped me to clean the mess. Together with their (female) teacher, we also gave special thanks to the winner of the contest who collected the highest number of sheets of paper. ;-)

The girl on the picture is cute and obviously relatively intelligent.

However, Janet Hyde&#039;s science is just nonsense. Some added statements are clearly fabricated. But the old problems with her work are discussed e.g. here:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/janet-hyde-boys-girls-in-math-not.html

The higher variance of the boys&#039; distribution is clear, especially for kids above 15 years when the difference expands in the full force. Almost all winners of mathematical olympiads are boys, no woman has won a physics or chemistry Nobel prize for 45+ years, and so on, and so on.  This difference of variances, which plays a key role in the vastly pro-male ratio in the very high percentiles, has well understood physiological, evolutionary, and psychological reasons, and has been demonstrated in thousands contexts.

I am sure that everyone who observes the world around her must be aware of these facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just voting into the European Parliament. When I left the school, all the 39 tickets except one that I submitted were spread across the road by the wind.</p>
<p>Fortunately, a class of small girls was nearby and they helped me to clean the mess. Together with their (female) teacher, we also gave special thanks to the winner of the contest who collected the highest number of sheets of paper. ;-)</p>
<p>The girl on the picture is cute and obviously relatively intelligent.</p>
<p>However, Janet Hyde&#8217;s science is just nonsense. Some added statements are clearly fabricated. But the old problems with her work are discussed e.g. here:</p>
<p><a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/janet-hyde-boys-girls-in-math-not.html" rel="nofollow">http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/janet-hyde-boys-girls-in-math-not.html</a></p>
<p>The higher variance of the boys&#8217; distribution is clear, especially for kids above 15 years when the difference expands in the full force. Almost all winners of mathematical olympiads are boys, no woman has won a physics or chemistry Nobel prize for 45+ years, and so on, and so on.  This difference of variances, which plays a key role in the vastly pro-male ratio in the very high percentiles, has well understood physiological, evolutionary, and psychological reasons, and has been demonstrated in thousands contexts.</p>
<p>I am sure that everyone who observes the world around her must be aware of these facts.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lara,
more male children are given the help or encouragement to do this. But, many girls --with that help or encouragement can. In my childhood, I was reading at the high school level when I was six--but nobody gave me an algebra
book etc. It was assumed that I would learn math
at a normal time in school.  Result, I didn&#039;t learn calculus until I was 12, when I met a cute boy who had learned it.

Boys get attention. I started uni at 15, and made sure that No media attention was allowed--it would have been a social disaster. The boy was in the newspapers and dropped out from the MIT
phd program at 19. I had emotional issues and got my phd at 22--solving a famous problem. 

Some people thrive on media attention, like Terry Tao--others, such as one female math prodigy out of oxford, and one male prodigy out of caltech are destroyed.

my conjecture is that most girls are too socially intelligent to want the prodigy label--and most parents of girls are not interested in labeling their child this way.

In any case, many great mathematicians were not prodigies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lara,<br />
more male children are given the help or encouragement to do this. But, many girls &#8211;with that help or encouragement can. In my childhood, I was reading at the high school level when I was six&#8211;but nobody gave me an algebra<br />
book etc. It was assumed that I would learn math<br />
at a normal time in school.  Result, I didn&#8217;t learn calculus until I was 12, when I met a cute boy who had learned it.</p>
<p>Boys get attention. I started uni at 15, and made sure that No media attention was allowed&#8211;it would have been a social disaster. The boy was in the newspapers and dropped out from the MIT<br />
phd program at 19. I had emotional issues and got my phd at 22&#8211;solving a famous problem. </p>
<p>Some people thrive on media attention, like Terry Tao&#8211;others, such as one female math prodigy out of oxford, and one male prodigy out of caltech are destroyed.</p>
<p>my conjecture is that most girls are too socially intelligent to want the prodigy label&#8211;and most parents of girls are not interested in labeling their child this way.</p>
<p>In any case, many great mathematicians were not prodigies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you define a math prodigy?  I thought that people like Tian Boedihardjo and others that have the ability to do university level math at a young age are math prodigies, and that more of those are male.  Scoring in the 99th percentile of a standardized math test doesn&#039;t sound like the same thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define a math prodigy?  I thought that people like Tian Boedihardjo and others that have the ability to do university level math at a young age are math prodigies, and that more of those are male.  Scoring in the 99th percentile of a standardized math test doesn&#8217;t sound like the same thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do research to beef up your personal bias and you&#039;d get the desired results all the time. Who were the researchers? No Bias?
There is every chance that you could be knocking each other over faulty biased data. Get real. Vulgar language to enforce personal bias? It happens all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do research to beef up your personal bias and you&#8217;d get the desired results all the time. Who were the researchers? No Bias?<br />
There is every chance that you could be knocking each other over faulty biased data. Get real. Vulgar language to enforce personal bias? It happens all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one should also note that it was well-known in the early 20th century that central european jews were inferior in iq snd math skills to WASPS. Much of this &quot;research&quot; came from the same WASP men (Harvard was a huge player) that claimed the same inferiority for females. They argued that
both groups were genetically inferior.

Now, we have &quot;The Bell Curve&quot;, also from Harvard.
Plus ca changr....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one should also note that it was well-known in the early 20th century that central european jews were inferior in iq snd math skills to WASPS. Much of this &#8220;research&#8221; came from the same WASP men (Harvard was a huge player) that claimed the same inferiority for females. They argued that<br />
both groups were genetically inferior.</p>
<p>Now, we have &#8220;The Bell Curve&#8221;, also from Harvard.<br />
Plus ca changr&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hakenkaus,
Thanks. pseudoscience is so-often hypnotically seductive in its simplistic pseudogenerality. Thus, even brilliant people became ardent nazis. The extreme tail theory was a theory that was a deliberate fraud, as early iq testing showed that females were superior at all tasks--especially spacial skills. They had to search long and hard for spacial tests that malrs did better on. 

Those tests were weighted to tasks in which experience with certain toys matter a great deal--and it has recently been rediscovered that some  practice makes a huge difference in the performance of females here.

Are girls smarter than boys? No, I think--but early 20th century girls were more practiced at sitting quietly. Spacisl IQ tests are extremely sensitive to anxiety. With the introduction --in the USA--of medis coverage that girls are spacially inferior, girls did perform more poorly--and this has been shown to be due to anxiety.

I wonder if the pooer performance of males on verbal tests is similar? After all, Shakespeare was a male!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hakenkaus,<br />
Thanks. pseudoscience is so-often hypnotically seductive in its simplistic pseudogenerality. Thus, even brilliant people became ardent nazis. The extreme tail theory was a theory that was a deliberate fraud, as early iq testing showed that females were superior at all tasks&#8211;especially spacial skills. They had to search long and hard for spacial tests that malrs did better on. </p>
<p>Those tests were weighted to tasks in which experience with certain toys matter a great deal&#8211;and it has recently been rediscovered that some  practice makes a huge difference in the performance of females here.</p>
<p>Are girls smarter than boys? No, I think&#8211;but early 20th century girls were more practiced at sitting quietly. Spacisl IQ tests are extremely sensitive to anxiety. With the introduction &#8211;in the USA&#8211;of medis coverage that girls are spacially inferior, girls did perform more poorly&#8211;and this has been shown to be due to anxiety.</p>
<p>I wonder if the pooer performance of males on verbal tests is similar? After all, Shakespeare was a male!</p>
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		<title>By: hackenkaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>hackenkaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sue,
They are both big fans of the theory that males are more represented on the extreme tails of the distribution, which is contradicted by the results of this study.  The existence of females like Lisa Randall who are obviously way smarter than them, is something they must deal with in various ways.  In the case of Motl, he dealt with it by running away and hiding out in the Czech republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sue,<br />
They are both big fans of the theory that males are more represented on the extreme tails of the distribution, which is contradicted by the results of this study.  The existence of females like Lisa Randall who are obviously way smarter than them, is something they must deal with in various ways.  In the case of Motl, he dealt with it by running away and hiding out in the Czech republic.</p>
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		<title>By: brosna</title>
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		<dc:creator>brosna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this headline on an article about 4th grade school tests in the Oregonian about 1994 &quot;Girls Better at Reading, Boys Better at Math&quot;. Closer inspection of the averages revealed that girls&#039; reading scores were higher than girls&#039; math scores, which were in turn (considerably) higher than boys&#039; math scores, with boys&#039; reading scores the lowest.

I wonder how often the usual stereotype actually means something like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this headline on an article about 4th grade school tests in the Oregonian about 1994 &#8220;Girls Better at Reading, Boys Better at Math&#8221;. Closer inspection of the averages revealed that girls&#8217; reading scores were higher than girls&#8217; math scores, which were in turn (considerably) higher than boys&#8217; math scores, with boys&#8217; reading scores the lowest.</p>
<p>I wonder how often the usual stereotype actually means something like this?</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hackenkauss,
why? they already know the string theorist lisa randall--recently, the most cited theoretical physicist in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hackenkauss,<br />
why? they already know the string theorist lisa randall&#8211;recently, the most cited theoretical physicist in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description>USHIVON: &quot;IT WAS A SCIENTIFIC FACT WHEN I WAS AT SCHOOL THAT BOYS WERE BETTER AT CERTAIN SUBJECTS THAN GIRLS, SUCH AS MATHS. NOW IT IS ALL DEBUNKED, HOW MANY OTHER SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACTS WILL BE DEBUNKED?&quot;

As many as fail to be supported by data.

I&#039;m glad that you felt no reason to be bothered by the supposed superiority of boys, but what does that have to do with the confirmation, in hard numbers, of the scientific fact that there is nothing to be bothered about in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USHIVON: &#8220;IT WAS A SCIENTIFIC FACT WHEN I WAS AT SCHOOL THAT BOYS WERE BETTER AT CERTAIN SUBJECTS THAN GIRLS, SUCH AS MATHS. NOW IT IS ALL DEBUNKED, HOW MANY OTHER SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACTS WILL BE DEBUNKED?&#8221;</p>
<p>As many as fail to be supported by data.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you felt no reason to be bothered by the supposed superiority of boys, but what does that have to do with the confirmation, in hard numbers, of the scientific fact that there is nothing to be bothered about in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: hackenkaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>hackenkaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lubos Motl and Steve Hsu will be very upset when they read this.  They may even cry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lubos Motl and Steve Hsu will be very upset when they read this.  They may even cry.</p>
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		<title>By: mmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amy and brc,
amy&#039;s story is completely believable to me.  I am female and I went to a school that was majority male in the early 80s and such attitudes were not uncommon, even then. One of my mechanical engineering profs gave different grades to the female students for the same work and the same answers. When I confronted him on my grade, he said it was because I had clearly copied the male students&#039; answers. If that were true, he should have failed me, not given a B+, but I didn&#039;t have the strong personality to confront him and merely went away fuming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amy and brc,<br />
amy&#8217;s story is completely believable to me.  I am female and I went to a school that was majority male in the early 80s and such attitudes were not uncommon, even then. One of my mechanical engineering profs gave different grades to the female students for the same work and the same answers. When I confronted him on my grade, he said it was because I had clearly copied the male students&#8217; answers. If that were true, he should have failed me, not given a B+, but I didn&#8217;t have the strong personality to confront him and merely went away fuming.</p>
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