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	<title>Comments on: Could a New Generation of Power Plants Turn Nuclear Waste Into Clean Fuel?</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be pretty gung-ho about the whole &quot;Nuclear, oil, coal...it&#039;s ALL got to go in favor of wind and water power!&quot; but as I learn more, I am advocating nuclear power more and more over coal, wind, and water--not to mention solar, since unless you carpet the country with panels, it&#039;s not going to generate a lot of power.

I&#039;m somewhat glad that they are thinking about this, but I worry about the cost to the American people.  Obama&#039;s constant spending means that he said, and I quote, &quot;We don&#039;t have the money,&quot; and then goes on to applaud his(?) idea about a very expensive healthcare plan.
Which seems to me like saying, &quot;Hey, guess what...you taxpayer people are nearly broke, which means that I have less to spend.  We&#039;re going to shake you down for more, mmk?&quot;

In light of the USA being pretty close to broke, this might not be the best time to pour money into nuclear fusion studies.  For one thing, it&#039;s doubtful that the scientists would deliver--and for another, I don&#039;t have an issue with the good old normal nuclear power.  If it&#039;s good enough for our military, it&#039;s good enough for me--especially since in the case of nuclear subs, those guys are practically living on top of nukey goodness.
If I were in charge, I would start checking to see if we could switch the whole country over to it in the least expensive way possible.

Since I am not an expert on nuclear topics, people will probably point out a lot of holes in my theory, but I hope my meaning comes through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be pretty gung-ho about the whole &#8220;Nuclear, oil, coal&#8230;it&#8217;s ALL got to go in favor of wind and water power!&#8221; but as I learn more, I am advocating nuclear power more and more over coal, wind, and water&#8211;not to mention solar, since unless you carpet the country with panels, it&#8217;s not going to generate a lot of power.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m somewhat glad that they are thinking about this, but I worry about the cost to the American people.  Obama&#8217;s constant spending means that he said, and I quote, &#8220;We don&#8217;t have the money,&#8221; and then goes on to applaud his(?) idea about a very expensive healthcare plan.<br />
Which seems to me like saying, &#8220;Hey, guess what&#8230;you taxpayer people are nearly broke, which means that I have less to spend.  We&#8217;re going to shake you down for more, mmk?&#8221;</p>
<p>In light of the USA being pretty close to broke, this might not be the best time to pour money into nuclear fusion studies.  For one thing, it&#8217;s doubtful that the scientists would deliver&#8211;and for another, I don&#8217;t have an issue with the good old normal nuclear power.  If it&#8217;s good enough for our military, it&#8217;s good enough for me&#8211;especially since in the case of nuclear subs, those guys are practically living on top of nukey goodness.<br />
If I were in charge, I would start checking to see if we could switch the whole country over to it in the least expensive way possible.</p>
<p>Since I am not an expert on nuclear topics, people will probably point out a lot of holes in my theory, but I hope my meaning comes through.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All energy processes produce a waste stream, even wind and PVs. Correctly implemented nuclear fuel cycles have one of the lowest total waste outputs for the amount of kilowatt.hours produced over the system lifetime. High-burnup fission fuel cycles produce only a small amount of relatively short-lived fission products - the total thermal energy from one ton of uranium is about 90 trillion BTUs and you&#039;re left with one ton of radioactives to store for ~300-500 years before they return to near background radioactivity levels. The highly lethal radioactives are very short-lived and don&#039;t even need storage for more than a few years before they&#039;re safe. And some of those products are actually useful sources of energy for radioisotopic batteries, for example.

Other material components of the reactors do become radioactive, but not as strongly as the waste. It&#039;s a manageable issue. Here in Australia, for example, more people die of cancer from natural radiation - the Sun&#039;s UV light - each year than from artificial radioactivity the world over. We live in a naturally radioactive environment - potassium-40 is in our bodies and food, muons continually shower down on us from cosmic rays, UV-light, Uranium and thorium in granite, radon leaking out of the ground... all of these subject our bodies to continual exposure. We&#039;re adapted to the presence of at least some radiation. 

What matters is the quantity and the &#039;quality&#039; - some sorts are more damaging than others. Alpha particles are only a hazard if their source material is ingested. Beta particles can be stopped by clothing. Neutrons, x-rays and gamma-rays are the worst, but also the hardest to produce. Lightning is known to produce gamma-rays, for example, but not many (we hope.) Various artificial radioactives emit gamma-rays - but they&#039;re hard to produce and handle. As a rule the nastiest radioactives are also the easiest to detect and to keep out of harm&#039;s way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All energy processes produce a waste stream, even wind and PVs. Correctly implemented nuclear fuel cycles have one of the lowest total waste outputs for the amount of kilowatt.hours produced over the system lifetime. High-burnup fission fuel cycles produce only a small amount of relatively short-lived fission products &#8211; the total thermal energy from one ton of uranium is about 90 trillion BTUs and you&#8217;re left with one ton of radioactives to store for ~300-500 years before they return to near background radioactivity levels. The highly lethal radioactives are very short-lived and don&#8217;t even need storage for more than a few years before they&#8217;re safe. And some of those products are actually useful sources of energy for radioisotopic batteries, for example.</p>
<p>Other material components of the reactors do become radioactive, but not as strongly as the waste. It&#8217;s a manageable issue. Here in Australia, for example, more people die of cancer from natural radiation &#8211; the Sun&#8217;s UV light &#8211; each year than from artificial radioactivity the world over. We live in a naturally radioactive environment &#8211; potassium-40 is in our bodies and food, muons continually shower down on us from cosmic rays, UV-light, Uranium and thorium in granite, radon leaking out of the ground&#8230; all of these subject our bodies to continual exposure. We&#8217;re adapted to the presence of at least some radiation. </p>
<p>What matters is the quantity and the &#8216;quality&#8217; &#8211; some sorts are more damaging than others. Alpha particles are only a hazard if their source material is ingested. Beta particles can be stopped by clothing. Neutrons, x-rays and gamma-rays are the worst, but also the hardest to produce. Lightning is known to produce gamma-rays, for example, but not many (we hope.) Various artificial radioactives emit gamma-rays &#8211; but they&#8217;re hard to produce and handle. As a rule the nastiest radioactives are also the easiest to detect and to keep out of harm&#8217;s way.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept is environmentally conservative because the nuclear waste is recycled and reburned until nothing is left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept is environmentally conservative because the nuclear waste is recycled and reburned until nothing is left.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is clean or green about radioactive waste?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is clean or green about radioactive waste?</p>
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		<title>By: YouRang</title>
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		<dc:creator>YouRang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sh_t.  I had this idea when I first heard about the laser powered ignition.  I just hadn&#039;t been hired by the right people to implement it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sh_t.  I had this idea when I first heard about the laser powered ignition.  I just hadn&#8217;t been hired by the right people to implement it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must keep in mind that there are substantial technological challenges that must be overcome before pure fusion reactors become a reality. Fission-fusion hybrids are much more complicated in their engineering and associated handling of radioactive materials. The danger here is that fission-fusion hybrids will be oversold.  Let&#039;s first see if NIF can do what it&#039;s leaders claim in the realm of pure fusion, and let&#039;s not forget that there is the alternative to the laser fusion (inertial confinement) approach — magnetic confinement fusion — which may turn out to be a somewhat simpler way to attain pure fusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must keep in mind that there are substantial technological challenges that must be overcome before pure fusion reactors become a reality. Fission-fusion hybrids are much more complicated in their engineering and associated handling of radioactive materials. The danger here is that fission-fusion hybrids will be oversold.  Let&#8217;s first see if NIF can do what it&#8217;s leaders claim in the realm of pure fusion, and let&#8217;s not forget that there is the alternative to the laser fusion (inertial confinement) approach — magnetic confinement fusion — which may turn out to be a somewhat simpler way to attain pure fusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering how expensive and wasteful it is to build these plants right now, are they *really* all that green? What exactly was the carbon/pollution footprint of building the new laser fusion reactor? 

Which won&#039;t even be turned on for a year, so really, having these discussions now, before we even know that this technology is capable of working, is kinda silly. 

If I&#039;ve learned one thing growing up in this society, it&#039;s that you get over-promised on the sale and under-delivered after you&#039;ve found out you have to pay more than intended on the original sale. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how expensive and wasteful it is to build these plants right now, are they *really* all that green? What exactly was the carbon/pollution footprint of building the new laser fusion reactor? </p>
<p>Which won&#8217;t even be turned on for a year, so really, having these discussions now, before we even know that this technology is capable of working, is kinda silly. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve learned one thing growing up in this society, it&#8217;s that you get over-promised on the sale and under-delivered after you&#8217;ve found out you have to pay more than intended on the original sale. :D</p>
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		<title>By: James Aach</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Aach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long-time worker in the fission nuclear world, I&#039;m skeptical as to efficacy of fusion - since it seems like we&#039;ve been hearing about it for decades.  On the other hand, if they ever can get sustained controlled fusion, the use of fission waste could represent a way to get a higher efficiency from the process.

Power generation on a large scale can be complex - it takes 600 - 1000 people to run one nuclear unit in the US today and we&#039;ve been at it 40 years. I think we&#039;ll make better decisions about our energy future if we first understand our energy present - and we&#039;re not in good shape there.  

Based on my two decades in nuclear I&#039;ve written an insider account for the lay person - a novel - that&#039;s available free to readers at http://RadDecision.blogspot.com .  Reviews at the homepage have been very positive, and &quot;Rad Decision&quot; has also been endorsed by Stewart Brand, noted futurist and founder of &quot;The Whole Earth Catalog&quot;.  (Sorry for the plug, but it seemed appropriate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long-time worker in the fission nuclear world, I&#8217;m skeptical as to efficacy of fusion &#8211; since it seems like we&#8217;ve been hearing about it for decades.  On the other hand, if they ever can get sustained controlled fusion, the use of fission waste could represent a way to get a higher efficiency from the process.</p>
<p>Power generation on a large scale can be complex &#8211; it takes 600 &#8211; 1000 people to run one nuclear unit in the US today and we&#8217;ve been at it 40 years. I think we&#8217;ll make better decisions about our energy future if we first understand our energy present &#8211; and we&#8217;re not in good shape there.  </p>
<p>Based on my two decades in nuclear I&#8217;ve written an insider account for the lay person &#8211; a novel &#8211; that&#8217;s available free to readers at <a href="http://RadDecision.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://RadDecision.blogspot.com</a> .  Reviews at the homepage have been very positive, and &#8220;Rad Decision&#8221; has also been endorsed by Stewart Brand, noted futurist and founder of &#8220;The Whole Earth Catalog&#8221;.  (Sorry for the plug, but it seemed appropriate.)</p>
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