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	<title>Comments on: What Does GM&#8217;s Bankruptcy Mean for Its Much-Hyped Electric Car?</title>
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		<title>By: Felix Chesterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix Chesterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone seen this site for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GM car and truck parts&lt;/a&gt; ?  Will they still be open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone seen this site for <a href="http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/" rel="nofollow">GM car and truck parts</a> ?  Will they still be open?</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Viering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Viering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points!</description>
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		<title>By: Freya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Surprise that GM had to sink like the Titanic.. Just the pain  and hard work of 300 Million Taxpayers going down the drain.. Whose responsible for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Surprise that GM had to sink like the Titanic.. Just the pain  and hard work of 300 Million Taxpayers going down the drain.. Whose responsible for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another [different] Aaron...GM shud launch an &#039;econo-Volt&#039; by using the Chevy &#039;Cruze&#039; and perhaps the Malibu or Impala to contain the basic electric motor, classic deep-cycle bat teries, and a 5-speed tranny with &#039;Park&#039; [to hold vehicle as electric motor has no compression to prevent &#039;windmilling&#039; on grades]. These &#039;basic&#039; Volts cud be upgraded later if the L-I batter ies become less costly, or keep their classic &#039;boat&#039; cells. After a 3 year lease, the leasees wud be  able to get a &#039;second-tier&#039; lease or buy the vehicle. If it is traded or lease-returned, it will be a good buy for someone who can appreciate a mid-range, economical BEV. Think seniors, students, single-parents, GIs near bases, short-haul commuters, etc. If properly maintained, these units will last a long time and not deteriorate into noisy, smokey, hulks that one sees...
These cud become one of the best long-term values in GM&#039;s bag of tricks...Aaron Allen..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another [different] Aaron&#8230;GM shud launch an &#8216;econo-Volt&#8217; by using the Chevy &#8216;Cruze&#8217; and perhaps the Malibu or Impala to contain the basic electric motor, classic deep-cycle bat teries, and a 5-speed tranny with &#8216;Park&#8217; [to hold vehicle as electric motor has no compression to prevent 'windmilling' on grades]. These &#8216;basic&#8217; Volts cud be upgraded later if the L-I batter ies become less costly, or keep their classic &#8216;boat&#8217; cells. After a 3 year lease, the leasees wud be  able to get a &#8217;second-tier&#8217; lease or buy the vehicle. If it is traded or lease-returned, it will be a good buy for someone who can appreciate a mid-range, economical BEV. Think seniors, students, single-parents, GIs near bases, short-haul commuters, etc. If properly maintained, these units will last a long time and not deteriorate into noisy, smokey, hulks that one sees&#8230;<br />
These cud become one of the best long-term values in GM&#8217;s bag of tricks&#8230;Aaron Allen..</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Ammons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Ammons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it is a &quot;prime the pump&quot;-lower the energy barrier kind of argument.  Let&#039;s say that when GM ramps up production it causes actual costs to drop into the acceptable range. Without absorbing that inital cost bump GM may never get to economies of scale. If GM can&#039;t afford it the only other catalyst left is the government. They also have an interest in seeing that this gets done because it spurs US industry and gets us on the path to sustainable low carbon footprint.  I would not object to having the government spend money to further these goals-- even if you, Aaron were the beneficiary of such largess.  Afterall you deserve some credit for helping things move along and taking the risk of driving the first plugin hybrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is a &#8220;prime the pump&#8221;-lower the energy barrier kind of argument.  Let&#8217;s say that when GM ramps up production it causes actual costs to drop into the acceptable range. Without absorbing that inital cost bump GM may never get to economies of scale. If GM can&#8217;t afford it the only other catalyst left is the government. They also have an interest in seeing that this gets done because it spurs US industry and gets us on the path to sustainable low carbon footprint.  I would not object to having the government spend money to further these goals&#8211; even if you, Aaron were the beneficiary of such largess.  Afterall you deserve some credit for helping things move along and taking the risk of driving the first plugin hybrid.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, I understand your feelings, but you&#039;re missing the point.  Why should I give you money to buy a car?  If I asked you to give me money to buy a car, what would your reaction be?

In the end, &quot;subsidies&quot; are just that: the government takes money from people like me to give to people like you so you can purchase a car.  How is that fair?

As for free market forces, we haven&#039;t had those in this country in over a century.  So your question is kind of pointless.  

GM, Chrysler, and all the rest (banks included) should have been left to die.  There&#039;s no such thing as &quot;too big to fail.&quot;  I&#039;d like to see California fail too.  Maybe then people will wake up and realize that the socialistic trough for government payouts isn&#039;t bottomless.  It comes from somewhere.  My state is doing just fine and had a yearly budget surplus.  Why is that possible here and not elsewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I understand your feelings, but you&#8217;re missing the point.  Why should I give you money to buy a car?  If I asked you to give me money to buy a car, what would your reaction be?</p>
<p>In the end, &#8220;subsidies&#8221; are just that: the government takes money from people like me to give to people like you so you can purchase a car.  How is that fair?</p>
<p>As for free market forces, we haven&#8217;t had those in this country in over a century.  So your question is kind of pointless.  </p>
<p>GM, Chrysler, and all the rest (banks included) should have been left to die.  There&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;too big to fail.&#8221;  I&#8217;d like to see California fail too.  Maybe then people will wake up and realize that the socialistic trough for government payouts isn&#8217;t bottomless.  It comes from somewhere.  My state is doing just fine and had a yearly budget surplus.  Why is that possible here and not elsewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Ammons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Ammons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 4636th in line to get a Volt.  If I get a $7300 dollar rebate and the car stays within its $40,000 price range I might just be able to swing it.  If the price goes higher or the rebate is less I&#039;m out of the game.  If GM has to cover its costs and this causes a price rise the only way to get a Volt in my hands is to increase the rebate.  I don&#039;t think its a waste to subsidize early adopters-- its a way to create a market and allow the manufacturer a quicker way to get to economies of scale.  How long will I have to wait if I allow free market forces to knock the price down? I might be dead by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 4636th in line to get a Volt.  If I get a $7300 dollar rebate and the car stays within its $40,000 price range I might just be able to swing it.  If the price goes higher or the rebate is less I&#8217;m out of the game.  If GM has to cover its costs and this causes a price rise the only way to get a Volt in my hands is to increase the rebate.  I don&#8217;t think its a waste to subsidize early adopters&#8211; its a way to create a market and allow the manufacturer a quicker way to get to economies of scale.  How long will I have to wait if I allow free market forces to knock the price down? I might be dead by then.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturn has never turned a profit for GM. The entire time they&#039;ve been produced, they&#039;ve lost money on them. People who&#039;ve been paying attention have been calling for GM to go bankrupt since at least 2005 ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2005/11/can-gm-be-saved.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2005/11/can-gm-be-saved.html&lt;/a&gt; and this guy is an actual, employed investment analyst, not just some random internet yay-hoo). 

GM, which has gotten more bailout than any other US car firm, only employs a 3rd of it&#039;s work-force in America. 

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aptera.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aptera&lt;/a&gt; is a sustainably made electric vehicle ready to hit the roads later this year. What could they do with 15 billion dollars that GM asked the US to &quot;write-off?&quot; That 15 billion is gone and will never come back, and GM is not going to be able to compete with electric car start-ups due to it&#039;s monolithic nature. The more money we waste on them, the more likely good and ready-to-go technology like the Aptera will have to struggle to catch up because the government is socializing failed companies instead of supporting up-and-coming innovators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturn has never turned a profit for GM. The entire time they&#8217;ve been produced, they&#8217;ve lost money on them. People who&#8217;ve been paying attention have been calling for GM to go bankrupt since at least 2005 ( <a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2005/11/can-gm-be-saved.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2005/11/can-gm-be-saved.html</a> and this guy is an actual, employed investment analyst, not just some random internet yay-hoo). </p>
<p>GM, which has gotten more bailout than any other US car firm, only employs a 3rd of it&#8217;s work-force in America. </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.aptera.com" rel="nofollow">Aptera</a> is a sustainably made electric vehicle ready to hit the roads later this year. What could they do with 15 billion dollars that GM asked the US to &#8220;write-off?&#8221; That 15 billion is gone and will never come back, and GM is not going to be able to compete with electric car start-ups due to it&#8217;s monolithic nature. The more money we waste on them, the more likely good and ready-to-go technology like the Aptera will have to struggle to catch up because the government is socializing failed companies instead of supporting up-and-coming innovators.</p>
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		<title>By: SkeptikSnarf</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkeptikSnarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bye bye GM,  you wont be missed.  i feel sorry for the people affected but GM needs to go,  and i think its inevitable.  GM, a dinosaur awaiting extinction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bye bye GM,  you wont be missed.  i feel sorry for the people affected but GM needs to go,  and i think its inevitable.  GM, a dinosaur awaiting extinction</p>
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