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	<title>Comments on: Algae Tech&#8217;s Latest Goal: Make Ethanol for Bioplastics</title>
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		<title>By: Tim 333</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim 333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:

&quot;acres of concrete lined open-air algae ponds...t grow algae in closed reactor vessels, without sunlight, necessitate the algae being fed sugars or starches as a source of chemical energy.&quot; 

the whole point of the algenol process is you  just have a plastic trough in the dessert with optionally waste co2 from power plants in and the alcohol evaporates off. So with a bit of luck it may prove cheap and easy - time will tell.

Incidentally the Algenol algae are genetically modified to produce alcohol but I doubt they would survive well in the wild</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:</p>
<p>&#8220;acres of concrete lined open-air algae ponds&#8230;t grow algae in closed reactor vessels, without sunlight, necessitate the algae being fed sugars or starches as a source of chemical energy.&#8221; </p>
<p>the whole point of the algenol process is you  just have a plastic trough in the dessert with optionally waste co2 from power plants in and the alcohol evaporates off. So with a bit of luck it may prove cheap and easy &#8211; time will tell.</p>
<p>Incidentally the Algenol algae are genetically modified to produce alcohol but I doubt they would survive well in the wild</p>
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		<title>By: RZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first commenter probably gets mad at windmills for hitting the occasional bird.  Would you rather import oil from a country that wants to kill us?  Where does it say that this will not be properly managed?  He&#039;s probaly from Venezuela</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first commenter probably gets mad at windmills for hitting the occasional bird.  Would you rather import oil from a country that wants to kill us?  Where does it say that this will not be properly managed?  He&#8217;s probaly from Venezuela</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:
Besides drinking it, I presume? &gt;=P

Christopher:
I think you missed the idea where the algae are &#039;fed&#039; CO2, as stated in the article, to stimulate growth and the creation of ethanol vapors. Besides, if the idea turns out not to be the ultimate salvation for our energy needs (I doubt it will, fusion or solar will take over before algae power) at least we have figured out how to make &#039;dericious&#039; algal booze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:<br />
Besides drinking it, I presume? >=P</p>
<p>Christopher:<br />
I think you missed the idea where the algae are &#8216;fed&#8217; CO2, as stated in the article, to stimulate growth and the creation of ethanol vapors. Besides, if the idea turns out not to be the ultimate salvation for our energy needs (I doubt it will, fusion or solar will take over before algae power) at least we have figured out how to make &#8216;dericious&#8217; algal booze.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethanol -&gt; plastic is the only good use of ethanol I&#039;ve heard of yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethanol -> plastic is the only good use of ethanol I&#8217;ve heard of yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Calder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing algae to make biodiesel is being touted as a cure-all for all our biofuel problems, but we are still stuck with the fact that algae need solar energy to turn carbon dioxide into fuel.  To make biodiesel, algae are used as organic solar panels which output oil instead of electricity.  Researchers brag that algae can produce 15 times more fuel per acre of land than growing corn for ethanol, but that still means we would need an impossibly large number of acres (about 133 million acres) of concrete lined open-air algae ponds to meet our highway energy demands.  Those schemes that grow algae in closed reactor vessels, without sunlight, necessitate the algae being fed sugars or starches as a source of chemical energy.  The sugars or starches must then be made from corn, wheat, beets, or other crop, so you are simply trading ethanol potential to make oil instead of vodka.  If we construct genetically engineered super-algae that are capable of out-competing native algae strains that contaminate open air algae ponds, the new gene-modified algae will be immediately carried to lakes, reservoirs, and oceans all over the world in the feathers of migrating birds, with unknown and possibly catastrophic results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing algae to make biodiesel is being touted as a cure-all for all our biofuel problems, but we are still stuck with the fact that algae need solar energy to turn carbon dioxide into fuel.  To make biodiesel, algae are used as organic solar panels which output oil instead of electricity.  Researchers brag that algae can produce 15 times more fuel per acre of land than growing corn for ethanol, but that still means we would need an impossibly large number of acres (about 133 million acres) of concrete lined open-air algae ponds to meet our highway energy demands.  Those schemes that grow algae in closed reactor vessels, without sunlight, necessitate the algae being fed sugars or starches as a source of chemical energy.  The sugars or starches must then be made from corn, wheat, beets, or other crop, so you are simply trading ethanol potential to make oil instead of vodka.  If we construct genetically engineered super-algae that are capable of out-competing native algae strains that contaminate open air algae ponds, the new gene-modified algae will be immediately carried to lakes, reservoirs, and oceans all over the world in the feathers of migrating birds, with unknown and possibly catastrophic results.</p>
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