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	<title>Comments on: Bill Gates Patents a Device Aimed at Halting Hurricanes</title>
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		<title>By: Illumianti Slayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illumianti Slayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mike also, however I find mitch&#039;s comment hysterical !

BILL&#039;Y BOY, you can&#039;t even get a simple PC program to run without thousands of repairs and updates, why don&#039;t  you leave the weather to someone who knows what thier doing ,remember the commercial from the late 70&#039;s !

  It&#039;s NOT Nice to fool with Mother nature !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mike also, however I find mitch&#8217;s comment hysterical !</p>
<p>BILL&#8217;Y BOY, you can&#8217;t even get a simple PC program to run without thousands of repairs and updates, why don&#8217;t  you leave the weather to someone who knows what thier doing ,remember the commercial from the late 70&#8217;s !</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s NOT Nice to fool with Mother nature !</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if it runs on windows vista, then nature doesn&#039;t have a thing to worry about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if it runs on windows vista, then nature doesn&#8217;t have a thing to worry about</p>
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		<title>By: shaking head</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaking head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first comment by mike</description>
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		<title>By: jeri meaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeri meaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for an intellectual property office at a large university and I know of several instances where an inventor only patented a technology so that it could be used free by those who needed it.  If he hadn&#039;t patented his inventions, someone else could steal it, patent it and then charge folks for it.  Hopefully that&#039;s what Gates is interested in here.

Also--don&#039;t worry about the ecosystem.  If this technology works (a big if) it would only decrease the high winds but leave most of the rain.  It would be done in such a small area for such a short time that local sealife could handle the temporary change

Maybe it could be actually be reversed and create low intensity storms where we need them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for an intellectual property office at a large university and I know of several instances where an inventor only patented a technology so that it could be used free by those who needed it.  If he hadn&#8217;t patented his inventions, someone else could steal it, patent it and then charge folks for it.  Hopefully that&#8217;s what Gates is interested in here.</p>
<p>Also&#8211;don&#8217;t worry about the ecosystem.  If this technology works (a big if) it would only decrease the high winds but leave most of the rain.  It would be done in such a small area for such a short time that local sealife could handle the temporary change</p>
<p>Maybe it could be actually be reversed and create low intensity storms where we need them?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get real.  There is no &#039;God&#039; to play or worry about pleasing.  This archaic god philosophy holds back progress for mankind.

Bill has only good intentions with this project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get real.  There is no &#8216;God&#8217; to play or worry about pleasing.  This archaic god philosophy holds back progress for mankind.</p>
<p>Bill has only good intentions with this project.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The technology, if successful, could also be easily converted to strengthen hurricanes.  Of course a great humanitarian god like Bill would never let that happen.   

Global Warming justifies anything rich people want to do to save us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The technology, if successful, could also be easily converted to strengthen hurricanes.  Of course a great humanitarian god like Bill would never let that happen.   </p>
<p>Global Warming justifies anything rich people want to do to save us.</p>
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		<title>By: pat hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to Bill Gates to waste his money on stupid BS. If I had that kind of dough I would have my own space program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to Bill Gates to waste his money on stupid BS. If I had that kind of dough I would have my own space program.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that trying to manipulate climate and play God is dangerous. But on the other hand, planning ahead and looking for hurricane mitigation methods is not a bad idea. Mankind is not perfect. We bring harm to the planet through our actions but I am sure there is potential in us to change and do good if there is the will.
We need more data. Simulation programmes or worst case scenario actouts and making sure it is safe before we can justfy start using this device.
May God be with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that trying to manipulate climate and play God is dangerous. But on the other hand, planning ahead and looking for hurricane mitigation methods is not a bad idea. Mankind is not perfect. We bring harm to the planet through our actions but I am sure there is potential in us to change and do good if there is the will.<br />
We need more data. Simulation programmes or worst case scenario actouts and making sure it is safe before we can justfy start using this device.<br />
May God be with us.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the posters here have talk generally about the unintended consequences, and that&#039;s good.  I&#039;d like to get more specific though.

Here are my concerns:

Hurricanes are a major transport mechanism for moving heat away from the tropics.  Ultimately the heat cycle is trying to balance the cooler poles with the warmer equator.  Nature can&#039;t ever finish the job because more heat keeps pumping in from the sun, always warming the equatorial zone more than everywhere else.

If you curb or kill the hurricanes, what happens to that heat?  Is the weather system stable with higher global differentials, or do new phenomena appear?  Maybe you get more tornados, powerful thunderstorms or lots of mini hurricanes or something?

Others have talked about moving water.  Therefore I&#039;ll not go into that in detail, other than to emphasize that rainfall often means life itself, especially in parts of the world that experience the monsoon season.

The other heat-based dependency is the global ocean current cycle, aka the global conveyor belt.  My understanding is that this is entirely driven by heat differentials.  If you even out the heat distribution of ocean water, meaning deep water is no longer cold(er) and surface water is no longer warm(er), do you risk shutting down the global conveyor belt?  Perhaps it just alters the circulation patterns.

This would be a climactic shock of the highest order.  Whole continents could have their weather dramatically rearranged.  Civilizations rise and fall on such changes.  It&#039;s not necessarily bad everywhere, or even most places, but do you want to be one of the losers when the climactic dice are rolled?  No one does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the posters here have talk generally about the unintended consequences, and that&#8217;s good.  I&#8217;d like to get more specific though.</p>
<p>Here are my concerns:</p>
<p>Hurricanes are a major transport mechanism for moving heat away from the tropics.  Ultimately the heat cycle is trying to balance the cooler poles with the warmer equator.  Nature can&#8217;t ever finish the job because more heat keeps pumping in from the sun, always warming the equatorial zone more than everywhere else.</p>
<p>If you curb or kill the hurricanes, what happens to that heat?  Is the weather system stable with higher global differentials, or do new phenomena appear?  Maybe you get more tornados, powerful thunderstorms or lots of mini hurricanes or something?</p>
<p>Others have talked about moving water.  Therefore I&#8217;ll not go into that in detail, other than to emphasize that rainfall often means life itself, especially in parts of the world that experience the monsoon season.</p>
<p>The other heat-based dependency is the global ocean current cycle, aka the global conveyor belt.  My understanding is that this is entirely driven by heat differentials.  If you even out the heat distribution of ocean water, meaning deep water is no longer cold(er) and surface water is no longer warm(er), do you risk shutting down the global conveyor belt?  Perhaps it just alters the circulation patterns.</p>
<p>This would be a climactic shock of the highest order.  Whole continents could have their weather dramatically rearranged.  Civilizations rise and fall on such changes.  It&#8217;s not necessarily bad everywhere, or even most places, but do you want to be one of the losers when the climactic dice are rolled?  No one does.</p>
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		<title>By: NickL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is scary stuff. people aren&#039;t thinking through the long term ramifications of their stupid ideas. The equilibrium of the atmosphere is maintained, occasionally,by hurricanes. Of course, being the idiots we are, people live in the regular path of these regulators. Even if we could, interchanging the warm surface water with the colder abyssal water would probably reduce storm severity but would also change the basic characterisics of the entire ocean basin, and consequently, the entire atmospheric character of the world in ways that haven&#039;t been considered. 

A better solution is for those people who simply must live in these danger zones to build houses and buildings that are very storm proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is scary stuff. people aren&#8217;t thinking through the long term ramifications of their stupid ideas. The equilibrium of the atmosphere is maintained, occasionally,by hurricanes. Of course, being the idiots we are, people live in the regular path of these regulators. Even if we could, interchanging the warm surface water with the colder abyssal water would probably reduce storm severity but would also change the basic characterisics of the entire ocean basin, and consequently, the entire atmospheric character of the world in ways that haven&#8217;t been considered. </p>
<p>A better solution is for those people who simply must live in these danger zones to build houses and buildings that are very storm proof.</p>
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		<title>By: NicoleW</title>
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		<dc:creator>NicoleW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we really need to do is stop the federal government from encouraging population growth and additional construction in at-risk areas with federal insurance subsidies, so that future hurricanes are less destructive, not more.  

How about paying people to move inland instead and making New Orleans a place people visit, not live, like Disney World?  This would be a nice change from the frequent destruction and rebuilding of coastal areas, wasting resources again and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we really need to do is stop the federal government from encouraging population growth and additional construction in at-risk areas with federal insurance subsidies, so that future hurricanes are less destructive, not more.  </p>
<p>How about paying people to move inland instead and making New Orleans a place people visit, not live, like Disney World?  This would be a nice change from the frequent destruction and rebuilding of coastal areas, wasting resources again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: earthbutcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>earthbutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice kneejerk responses, people. You&#039;re following a science blog and that&#039;s the best you can come up with?

As much as some of you disdain Microsoft, Bill Gates and his scientists are not idiots. They too understand the law of unintended consequences.

LEARN TO READ. They realize this is plan &#039;C&#039; - that is, when global warming is so bad, there are numerous category-5 hurricanes, and they aren&#039;t stopping at destroying only the coastal inhabitations. This also suggests that this is more brain-storming than actual concern for money-making, because by the time we&#039;re begging for hurricane mitigation, the patents will have expired.

As for Claire, who abhors the manipulation of nature...I trust that you aren&#039;t eating any farm-grown food, or taking any man-made medicine? Because, you know, God will get all up in your face for not suffering like he wants you to.

The more man manipulates nature...the worse things get.
Playing God has never been a wise course of action...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice kneejerk responses, people. You&#8217;re following a science blog and that&#8217;s the best you can come up with?</p>
<p>As much as some of you disdain Microsoft, Bill Gates and his scientists are not idiots. They too understand the law of unintended consequences.</p>
<p>LEARN TO READ. They realize this is plan &#8216;C&#8217; &#8211; that is, when global warming is so bad, there are numerous category-5 hurricanes, and they aren&#8217;t stopping at destroying only the coastal inhabitations. This also suggests that this is more brain-storming than actual concern for money-making, because by the time we&#8217;re begging for hurricane mitigation, the patents will have expired.</p>
<p>As for Claire, who abhors the manipulation of nature&#8230;I trust that you aren&#8217;t eating any farm-grown food, or taking any man-made medicine? Because, you know, God will get all up in your face for not suffering like he wants you to.</p>
<p>The more man manipulates nature&#8230;the worse things get.<br />
Playing God has never been a wise course of action&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry about this for fear it will work --- I think it&#039;s pretty unlikely. The hurricane expert in the article said something about an armada of pump ships bringing a hurrican down a &quot;notch&quot; or words to that effect. So everyone worried about the good that hurricanes do should relax. We&#039;re talking, at best, like dropping by a category or two (?), not eliminating the hurrican completely. And as to the impact on the ecosystem, there is no way this is going to impact the oceans of the world and their ecology -- more like a relatively small area probaby in or close to the eye. A big &#039;cane can cover thousands of square miles. How many pump ships do you think can practically, and affordably, be built? This is interesting conceptually, kind of like Santa Claus, but hardly worth worrying about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about this for fear it will work &#8212; I think it&#8217;s pretty unlikely. The hurricane expert in the article said something about an armada of pump ships bringing a hurrican down a &#8220;notch&#8221; or words to that effect. So everyone worried about the good that hurricanes do should relax. We&#8217;re talking, at best, like dropping by a category or two (?), not eliminating the hurrican completely. And as to the impact on the ecosystem, there is no way this is going to impact the oceans of the world and their ecology &#8212; more like a relatively small area probaby in or close to the eye. A big &#8216;cane can cover thousands of square miles. How many pump ships do you think can practically, and affordably, be built? This is interesting conceptually, kind of like Santa Claus, but hardly worth worrying about.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what does he think that warm water at the bottom of the ocean will do? Melt all that frozen methane of course! This will release a more powerful greenhouse gas into the atmosphere (Methane has 20x more greenhouse effect than CO2). This is the law of unintended consequences at work. How &#039;bout we get serious about global warming and try to reduce our carbon footprint?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what does he think that warm water at the bottom of the ocean will do? Melt all that frozen methane of course! This will release a more powerful greenhouse gas into the atmosphere (Methane has 20x more greenhouse effect than CO2). This is the law of unintended consequences at work. How &#8217;bout we get serious about global warming and try to reduce our carbon footprint?</p>
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		<title>By: YouRang</title>
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		<dc:creator>YouRang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hoped for financing for this  &quot;invention&quot; (coastal residents subsidizing the device) fails to recognize is that coastal residents treat hurricane destruction as a way to remodel on the installment plan (insurance premiums and sticking it to the rest of us).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hoped for financing for this  &#8220;invention&#8221; (coastal residents subsidizing the device) fails to recognize is that coastal residents treat hurricane destruction as a way to remodel on the installment plan (insurance premiums and sticking it to the rest of us).</p>
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