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	<title>Comments on: Fighting Global Warming: Artificial Trees and Slime-Covered Buildings</title>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Daniel J. Andrews:

Citing clearly biased websites and blogs is hardly a convincing mode of debate.

In addition - there is plenty of counter evidence to global warming. Neither side is conclusive, certainly, but your mentality that everyone who&#039;s skeptical is a loony is just as concerning as you seem to think theirs is. In the last century or so, sea levels and temperatures have been rising, but, put in perspective, it could easily be part of a reoccurring cycle that has been observed throughout natural history by scientists. 

Debates are fun and all, but referencing sources that would be considered invalid in a middle school research paper is not a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Daniel J. Andrews:</p>
<p>Citing clearly biased websites and blogs is hardly a convincing mode of debate.</p>
<p>In addition &#8211; there is plenty of counter evidence to global warming. Neither side is conclusive, certainly, but your mentality that everyone who&#8217;s skeptical is a loony is just as concerning as you seem to think theirs is. In the last century or so, sea levels and temperatures have been rising, but, put in perspective, it could easily be part of a reoccurring cycle that has been observed throughout natural history by scientists. </p>
<p>Debates are fun and all, but referencing sources that would be considered invalid in a middle school research paper is not a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: greenfyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenfyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Neil
&quot;Who is behind the propaganda: Scientists  with grants and bonuses to produce propaganda.&quot;

So you obviously have no background whatsoever in the sciences, and no idea how they are funded. Good to get that on the table.

&quot;Who is behind the propaganda:&quot;

Instead of asking rhetorical questions why not actually do the internet search to find facts, not Denier innuendo?
&quot;Where there’s smoke, the climate change Denial lobby &quot;
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/where-theres-smoke-the-climate-change-denial-lobby/

&quot;Who funds them&quot;
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/#who</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neil<br />
&#8220;Who is behind the propaganda: Scientists  with grants and bonuses to produce propaganda.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you obviously have no background whatsoever in the sciences, and no idea how they are funded. Good to get that on the table.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who is behind the propaganda:&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead of asking rhetorical questions why not actually do the internet search to find facts, not Denier innuendo?<br />
&#8220;Where there’s smoke, the climate change Denial lobby &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/where-theres-smoke-the-climate-change-denial-lobby/" rel="nofollow">http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/where-theres-smoke-the-climate-change-denial-lobby/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Who funds them&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/#who" rel="nofollow">http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/#who</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,

The point about 85 billion tons of carbon is that it is in balance. The global ecosystem does indeed produce 85 billion tons of carbon but it also absorbs 85 billion tones of carbon. The system is therefore has no net gain. We now release 30 billion tones of carbon into the atmosphere, there is a net increase in carbon which is also increasing each year. This carbon dioxide changes the net radiative balance in the atmosphere and temperatures/climates change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>The point about 85 billion tons of carbon is that it is in balance. The global ecosystem does indeed produce 85 billion tons of carbon but it also absorbs 85 billion tones of carbon. The system is therefore has no net gain. We now release 30 billion tones of carbon into the atmosphere, there is a net increase in carbon which is also increasing each year. This carbon dioxide changes the net radiative balance in the atmosphere and temperatures/climates change.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting ideas.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;d like to cover my house with algae though if that&#039;s what was called for.  I think we&#039;ll get the most bang for the buck right now with more efficiency of the structures and businesses that are already there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ideas.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d like to cover my house with algae though if that&#8217;s what was called for.  I think we&#8217;ll get the most bang for the buck right now with more efficiency of the structures and businesses that are already there.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for trying to find different sources of energy, but according to my biology textbook for college, natural recycling of CO2 puts at least 85 billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere, and has been doing so for the past 250 million years or so. Wikipedia says that all the human activities in the world combine to about 30 billion tons of carbon released into the atmosphere a year. So basically, I&#039;m supposed to believe that 250 million years of 85 billion tons a year didn&#039;t destroy the earth, but 50 years of 30 billion tons is going to. Doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for trying to find different sources of energy, but according to my biology textbook for college, natural recycling of CO2 puts at least 85 billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere, and has been doing so for the past 250 million years or so. Wikipedia says that all the human activities in the world combine to about 30 billion tons of carbon released into the atmosphere a year. So basically, I&#8217;m supposed to believe that 250 million years of 85 billion tons a year didn&#8217;t destroy the earth, but 50 years of 30 billion tons is going to. Doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is behind the propaganda: Scientists and Journalists with grants and bonuses to produce propaganda.(Sensationalism sells papers too)
Who pays: The tax payer, you and me via governmental sponsors to ensure a nice carbon meter earner for as long as this scam will last.

300 years of coal under our feet, tons of rubbish that could be burned as fuel instead of methane leaking land fill we pay tax on and locally produced biomas we produce so little of.
Instead we import windmills...So much for the carbon footprint but just think about that green energy and the green high tax that goes with it.
The choice for the future: Poor and cold or well off and warm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is behind the propaganda: Scientists and Journalists with grants and bonuses to produce propaganda.(Sensationalism sells papers too)<br />
Who pays: The tax payer, you and me via governmental sponsors to ensure a nice carbon meter earner for as long as this scam will last.</p>
<p>300 years of coal under our feet, tons of rubbish that could be burned as fuel instead of methane leaking land fill we pay tax on and locally produced biomas we produce so little of.<br />
Instead we import windmills&#8230;So much for the carbon footprint but just think about that green energy and the green high tax that goes with it.<br />
The choice for the future: Poor and cold or well off and warm!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. Adnrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Adnrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed Neil, there is propaganda and you&#039;ve swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Check out what real climatologists are saying with the &quot;Start Here&quot; section of realclimate.org (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/). You can also go to http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php which lists the most common myths/lies/misunderstandings. This site is recommended by climatologists.

Talk show hosts, political think-tanks and political blogs have been lying to you (e.g. manmade CO2 being insignificant...compared to what? Volcanoes? Nope: http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/02/volcanos-emit-more-co2.php). 

You imply you know the difference between weather and climate, but if you really did you wouldn&#039;t used the BBQ summer comment. So check  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JsdSDa_bM where Peter Sinclair gives explains the difference between climate and weather. 

If you&#039;re going to contradict 97% of climatologists (http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php), and every major scientific organization around the world you should at least make an effort to understand the very basics. 

If you&#039;re not a troll and are seriously interested in what the science actually says (i.e. not in what some political ideologue on either side says), then check those links above. They try and link to the original work/data so you can see for yourself. Also Sinclair has a number of youtube videos now and those are a good place to get basics as well (he also references original sources where possible). The good news is that even a basic amount of education on the topic is enough to show you that most of the denier memes are lies. 

If you still have questions come on over to the comment sections in realclimate, ill-considered, or greenfyre, or tamino open mind and ask there (don&#039;t ask here as you&#039;ll not likely get the responses you need to learn). Come in with an open mind, do not make claims that you can&#039;t back up with evidence (like you did here), and knowledgeable commenters will be happy to help you. Happy researching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed Neil, there is propaganda and you&#8217;ve swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Check out what real climatologists are saying with the &#8220;Start Here&#8221; section of realclimate.org (<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/)</a>. You can also go to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php</a> which lists the most common myths/lies/misunderstandings. This site is recommended by climatologists.</p>
<p>Talk show hosts, political think-tanks and political blogs have been lying to you (e.g. manmade CO2 being insignificant&#8230;compared to what? Volcanoes? Nope: <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/02/volcanos-emit-more-co2.php)" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/02/volcanos-emit-more-co2.php)</a>. </p>
<p>You imply you know the difference between weather and climate, but if you really did you wouldn&#8217;t used the BBQ summer comment. So check  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JsdSDa_bM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JsdSDa_bM</a> where Peter Sinclair gives explains the difference between climate and weather. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to contradict 97% of climatologists (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php)" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php)</a>, and every major scientific organization around the world you should at least make an effort to understand the very basics. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not a troll and are seriously interested in what the science actually says (i.e. not in what some political ideologue on either side says), then check those links above. They try and link to the original work/data so you can see for yourself. Also Sinclair has a number of youtube videos now and those are a good place to get basics as well (he also references original sources where possible). The good news is that even a basic amount of education on the topic is enough to show you that most of the denier memes are lies. </p>
<p>If you still have questions come on over to the comment sections in realclimate, ill-considered, or greenfyre, or tamino open mind and ask there (don&#8217;t ask here as you&#8217;ll not likely get the responses you need to learn). Come in with an open mind, do not make claims that you can&#8217;t back up with evidence (like you did here), and knowledgeable commenters will be happy to help you. Happy researching.</p>
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		<title>By: Eco Science Fair Projects</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eco Science Fair Projects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.super-science-fair-projects.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;science fair projects students&lt;/a&gt; found this news article very interesting. Our question is how are the &quot;artificial&quot; trees to be constructed and how what type of carbon foot print will they create during their manufacturing process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My <a href="http://www.super-science-fair-projects.com" rel="nofollow">science fair projects students</a> found this news article very interesting. Our question is how are the &#8220;artificial&#8221; trees to be constructed and how what type of carbon foot print will they create during their manufacturing process?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Neil, who is behind all this propaganda? What do they hope to gain from it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Neil, who is behind all this propaganda? What do they hope to gain from it?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t tall buildings be the most expensive place to put algae farms? I can think of quite a few other places that would be much cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t tall buildings be the most expensive place to put algae farms? I can think of quite a few other places that would be much cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all seems rather silly and attention seeking, especially since man made CO2 is so insignificant.
The Gore powerpoint horror show we brainwash our kids with showed temperature going up like a rocket with CO2 and yet it’s been looking quite autumnal today. (27th August)
There was a Barbeque Summer this year, so long as one held it indoors and as for 2009 being one of the hottest years’ on record…well just forget it.
Mind you, that’s weather &amp; it’s climate we are supposed to pay up now for and get the benefit 40 years down the line. Some people just don’t know when they are being had!
Propaganda is alive and well today, just like the record number of Polar Bears in the Arctic.
I just can’t wait for the next series of ‘Ice Road Truckers!’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all seems rather silly and attention seeking, especially since man made CO2 is so insignificant.<br />
The Gore powerpoint horror show we brainwash our kids with showed temperature going up like a rocket with CO2 and yet it’s been looking quite autumnal today. (27th August)<br />
There was a Barbeque Summer this year, so long as one held it indoors and as for 2009 being one of the hottest years’ on record…well just forget it.<br />
Mind you, that’s weather &#038; it’s climate we are supposed to pay up now for and get the benefit 40 years down the line. Some people just don’t know when they are being had!<br />
Propaganda is alive and well today, just like the record number of Polar Bears in the Arctic.<br />
I just can’t wait for the next series of ‘Ice Road Truckers!’</p>
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