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	<title>Comments on: This Week in Swine Flu: Vaccine Coming Soon, But What Do Parents Think?</title>
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		<title>By: broadcaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>broadcaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sam! I am glad that there is an intelligent voice of reason out there. 

I am not getting the vaccine because I want to get the flu. I don&#039;t usually get more than a twinge of flu, but I seem to make everyone around me sick every year. 

I live, commute and work in Chicago, and we&#039;ve turned the city(and the planet) into a sewer. There are just too darned many of us to sustain ourselves, and something has to be done.

Now if you&#039;ll excuse me, I have a flight to catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sam! I am glad that there is an intelligent voice of reason out there. </p>
<p>I am not getting the vaccine because I want to get the flu. I don&#8217;t usually get more than a twinge of flu, but I seem to make everyone around me sick every year. </p>
<p>I live, commute and work in Chicago, and we&#8217;ve turned the city(and the planet) into a sewer. There are just too darned many of us to sustain ourselves, and something has to be done.</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;ll excuse me, I have a flight to catch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In that case, what’s the point of the current vaccine, which is for the relatively harmless version we’re dealing with right now.&lt;/i&gt;

The more aggressively we vaccinate against the swine flu we have now; the fewer chances the virus will have to mutate.  I agree with you that there is a significant threat from a mutated virus, but the best way to prevent that is to fight the virus already out there as much as we can.  And using drugs and vaccines to fight H1N1 won&#039;t necessarily lead to a more virulent mutation, because all the selective pressure on the virus will be to mutate towards something that resist tamiflu/vaccination.  I think our efforts make sense from every angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In that case, what’s the point of the current vaccine, which is for the relatively harmless version we’re dealing with right now.</i></p>
<p>The more aggressively we vaccinate against the swine flu we have now; the fewer chances the virus will have to mutate.  I agree with you that there is a significant threat from a mutated virus, but the best way to prevent that is to fight the virus already out there as much as we can.  And using drugs and vaccines to fight H1N1 won&#8217;t necessarily lead to a more virulent mutation, because all the selective pressure on the virus will be to mutate towards something that resist tamiflu/vaccination.  I think our efforts make sense from every angle.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flu is mostly transmitted by aerosolized droplets so washing hands will only provide limited preventive protection.

Em, we &quot;sheep&quot; are being herded by our superior thinking skills, not our blind trust in the medical establishment.  Flu causes 35,000 deaths in a typical season in the US, and this season it looks like the number of infections will be much higher, meaning more people will die.  Also, swine H1N1 is showing a propensity to infect young people at a rate much higher than seasonal flu.  We are in favor of vaccination because we don&#039;t like being sick for a week, and because we don&#039;t want to be another link in the chain of infection that could lead to the death of a susceptible person.  

You are not a maverick, Em, millions of Americans think exactly like you do, which is a big problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flu is mostly transmitted by aerosolized droplets so washing hands will only provide limited preventive protection.</p>
<p>Em, we &#8220;sheep&#8221; are being herded by our superior thinking skills, not our blind trust in the medical establishment.  Flu causes 35,000 deaths in a typical season in the US, and this season it looks like the number of infections will be much higher, meaning more people will die.  Also, swine H1N1 is showing a propensity to infect young people at a rate much higher than seasonal flu.  We are in favor of vaccination because we don&#8217;t like being sick for a week, and because we don&#8217;t want to be another link in the chain of infection that could lead to the death of a susceptible person.  </p>
<p>You are not a maverick, Em, millions of Americans think exactly like you do, which is a big problem.</p>
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		<title>By: goulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>goulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A flu shot can never hurt. But I doubt this one will help. The danger H1N1 poses is if it mutates. In that case, what&#039;s the point of the current vaccine, which is for the relatively harmless version we&#039;re dealing with right now. 

I seriously doubt this has anything to do with economic collapse. People are just concerned because of the possibility of this flu to become truly horrible. It&#039;s new, it can still become deadly. That&#039;s exactly what happened with the Spanish flu.

but I agree with Em. Wash your hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A flu shot can never hurt. But I doubt this one will help. The danger H1N1 poses is if it mutates. In that case, what&#8217;s the point of the current vaccine, which is for the relatively harmless version we&#8217;re dealing with right now. </p>
<p>I seriously doubt this has anything to do with economic collapse. People are just concerned because of the possibility of this flu to become truly horrible. It&#8217;s new, it can still become deadly. That&#8217;s exactly what happened with the Spanish flu.</p>
<p>but I agree with Em. Wash your hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/09/25/this-week-in-swine-flu-vaccine-coming-soon-but-what-do-parents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-52497</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone thought of maybe washing their hands before they eat and not sharing foods and drinks with others? Honestly, I think that if people used a little common sense (which oddly enough is the least common virtue these days) and practiced some basic hygiene we could all avoid contracting and spreading many illnesses.

I&#039;m not saying this is the answer for everything and everyone. For those people who have a weaker immune system it could very well be beneficial to get vaccines. However, I don&#039;t think everyone needs to rush out and get every new treatment the moment it comes out because &quot;someone with a medical degree said it helps&quot;. People really need to think for themselves and not turn into this paranoid flock of sheep that is so easily herded by everyone &quot;above&quot; them. Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone thought of maybe washing their hands before they eat and not sharing foods and drinks with others? Honestly, I think that if people used a little common sense (which oddly enough is the least common virtue these days) and practiced some basic hygiene we could all avoid contracting and spreading many illnesses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this is the answer for everything and everyone. For those people who have a weaker immune system it could very well be beneficial to get vaccines. However, I don&#8217;t think everyone needs to rush out and get every new treatment the moment it comes out because &#8220;someone with a medical degree said it helps&#8221;. People really need to think for themselves and not turn into this paranoid flock of sheep that is so easily herded by everyone &#8220;above&#8221; them. Just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Viering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Viering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Shocked</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shocked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve had a flu season every single year for the last century.  And every single year, we made it through.

But now that the USA is facing economic collapse, all citizens must queue up for their mandatory and inadequately tested &quot;treatment&quot;.  I&#039;m sure this is merely a coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had a flu season every single year for the last century.  And every single year, we made it through.</p>
<p>But now that the USA is facing economic collapse, all citizens must queue up for their mandatory and inadequately tested &#8220;treatment&#8221;.  I&#8217;m sure this is merely a coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan, hey that&#039;s nice.  Now your next necessary step it to show that those ingredients cause harm at the levels in the vaccine, otherwise your list is meaningless.  Looks like you got some science to do.  Get back to us. 

Egg protein! [Gasp] Gelatin and sugar! [Egads] A mercury compound not linked to any health problem at the relevant concentration despite many epidemiogical studies! [The Horror!]

What bridge are you guys crawling out from under?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan, hey that&#8217;s nice.  Now your next necessary step it to show that those ingredients cause harm at the levels in the vaccine, otherwise your list is meaningless.  Looks like you got some science to do.  Get back to us. </p>
<p>Egg protein! [Gasp] Gelatin and sugar! [Egads] A mercury compound not linked to any health problem at the relevant concentration despite many epidemiogical studies! [The Horror!]</p>
<p>What bridge are you guys crawling out from under?</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Roppel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Roppel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

What’s in the regular flu shot? Take a look and make up your own mind if you will put this into yourself or your kids.  There are many doctors and researchers who advise strenuously against taking the swine flu shot (or any flu shot).

Swine Flu Shot consists of (courtesy of Dr. Russel Blaylock&#039;s website)

•Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses  
•Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually 
•associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin  
•Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions, 
•including anaphylaxis 
•Formaldehyde: known carcinogen  
•Triton X100: a strong detergent  
•Sucrose: table sugar 
•Resin: known to cause allergic reactions 
•Gentamycin: an antibiotic  
•Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s in the regular flu shot? Take a look and make up your own mind if you will put this into yourself or your kids.  There are many doctors and researchers who advise strenuously against taking the swine flu shot (or any flu shot).</p>
<p>Swine Flu Shot consists of (courtesy of Dr. Russel Blaylock&#8217;s website)</p>
<p>•Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses<br />
•Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually<br />
•associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin<br />
•Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions,<br />
•including anaphylaxis<br />
•Formaldehyde: known carcinogen<br />
•Triton X100: a strong detergent<br />
•Sucrose: table sugar<br />
•Resin: known to cause allergic reactions<br />
•Gentamycin: an antibiotic<br />
•Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/09/25/this-week-in-swine-flu-vaccine-coming-soon-but-what-do-parents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-52343</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J, the 1976  vaccine caused Guillain-Barre in a tiny percentage of the total vaccinated.  Infection with influenza is a much greater risk factor for Guillain-Barre than the flu vaccine, and it&#039;s possible that the 1976 strain had a greater potential for causing Guillain-Barre than other flu strains.  That could be the reason the 1976 vaccine caused GB in a very small percentage.  Infection with the strain may have caused even more cases than the vaccine.

The government is not hyping the risk of the current pandemic H1N1 strain.  It&#039;s accurately reporting that the morbidity and mortality are similar to seasonal flu. You&#039;re probably getting your information from disreputable sites that misprepresent mainstream science in order to create a strawman.  However, since most people have no prior immunity to this strain there are going to be many more infections, and that means there will be many more deaths from flu this season assuming people don&#039;t get vaccinated. 

Vitamin C megadosing and chicken soup do not have efficacy against the flu.  Congratulations on never having gotten a flu shot in your life, I applaud your efforts to remain a source of infection for vulnerable members of our society. 

Nick, That site has the mortality rate for seasonal flu at 9.4%.  That is absurdly high, it&#039;s actually 0.1%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, the 1976  vaccine caused Guillain-Barre in a tiny percentage of the total vaccinated.  Infection with influenza is a much greater risk factor for Guillain-Barre than the flu vaccine, and it&#8217;s possible that the 1976 strain had a greater potential for causing Guillain-Barre than other flu strains.  That could be the reason the 1976 vaccine caused GB in a very small percentage.  Infection with the strain may have caused even more cases than the vaccine.</p>
<p>The government is not hyping the risk of the current pandemic H1N1 strain.  It&#8217;s accurately reporting that the morbidity and mortality are similar to seasonal flu. You&#8217;re probably getting your information from disreputable sites that misprepresent mainstream science in order to create a strawman.  However, since most people have no prior immunity to this strain there are going to be many more infections, and that means there will be many more deaths from flu this season assuming people don&#8217;t get vaccinated. </p>
<p>Vitamin C megadosing and chicken soup do not have efficacy against the flu.  Congratulations on never having gotten a flu shot in your life, I applaud your efforts to remain a source of infection for vulnerable members of our society. </p>
<p>Nick, That site has the mortality rate for seasonal flu at 9.4%.  That is absurdly high, it&#8217;s actually 0.1%.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there are many variants of H1N1 - and viruses have been around longer than our race. But you are correct, swine flu is not bad. Check out the following disease mortality rates as put together by the excellent blog Information is Beautiful (no affiliation) http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/fatal-infection/

As you can see, the seasonal flu is about 20 times more likely to kill a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there are many variants of H1N1 &#8211; and viruses have been around longer than our race. But you are correct, swine flu is not bad. Check out the following disease mortality rates as put together by the excellent blog Information is Beautiful (no affiliation) <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/fatal-infection/" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/fatal-infection/</a></p>
<p>As you can see, the seasonal flu is about 20 times more likely to kill a person.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The swine flu was first found in humans in 1918. The first (I believe) swine/H1N1 vaccination was used on millions of Americans in 1976 and is the cause of neurological problems for many of those people.

Swine flu is NOT as bad as the media/govt wants you to think. Most any person with a relatively-good immune system can overcome it without any problem. Bed rest/chicken soup/vitamin C anyone?

I know I won&#039;t be getting this &quot;vaccine&quot;. Never had a flu shot my entire life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The swine flu was first found in humans in 1918. The first (I believe) swine/H1N1 vaccination was used on millions of Americans in 1976 and is the cause of neurological problems for many of those people.</p>
<p>Swine flu is NOT as bad as the media/govt wants you to think. Most any person with a relatively-good immune system can overcome it without any problem. Bed rest/chicken soup/vitamin C anyone?</p>
<p>I know I won&#8217;t be getting this &#8220;vaccine&#8221;. Never had a flu shot my entire life.</p>
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