Comments on: How Would You Like Your Green Car: Hydrogen-Powered, or With a Unicycle on the Side? http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Jennifer Angela http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12736 Jennifer Angela Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:58:33 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12736 Serrya, blind people are in cars, as they are passengers, they also have to get around somehow. And certainly you (well not you Serrya, but others) would like them to be able to hear what´s going on. They have enough issues already being blind so you (everybody except for Serrya) wouldn´t want to cause them any additional ones. I think this new car IS a huge progress and I most sincerely hope that more affordable brands will also consider it worth trying in the future (GM or Mitsubishi e.g.). As for quiet cars... well a horn is something that is supposed to save lives and sometimes does, but in most cases it is being used for abusive reasons, and yet I am afraid that I need to agree with Heidi on what she said... eventually it is a necessity, despite being annoying. Serrya, blind people are in cars, as they are passengers, they also have to get around somehow. And certainly you (well not you Serrya, but others) would like them to be able to hear what´s going on. They have enough issues already being blind so you (everybody except for Serrya) wouldn´t want to cause them any additional ones. I think this new car IS a huge progress and I most sincerely hope that more affordable brands will also consider it worth trying in the future (GM or Mitsubishi e.g.). As for quiet cars… well a horn is something that is supposed to save lives and sometimes does, but in most cases it is being used for abusive reasons, and yet I am afraid that I need to agree with Heidi on what she said… eventually it is a necessity, despite being annoying.

]]> By: ezautoshippers http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12735 ezautoshippers Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:22:11 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12735 I own an car shipping company and have shipped a few of these quiet cars. I don't see what the big deal is. I actually thought it was pretty nice. I would kind of like it if my auto transport was silent! I own an car shipping company and have shipped a few of these quiet cars. I don’t see what the big deal is. I actually thought it was pretty nice. I would kind of like it if my auto transport was silent!

]]> By: aleron http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12734 aleron Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:33:41 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12734 @daproffessor: If that concept really worked it would have been done by now. That would violate the second law of thermodynamics. It is an impossible perpetual motion machine. Energy is lost to the air and those turbines would create drag on the vehicle. @daproffessor: If that concept really worked it would have been done by now. That would violate the second law of thermodynamics. It is an impossible perpetual motion machine. Energy is lost to the air and those turbines would create drag on the vehicle.

]]> By: daproffessor http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12733 daproffessor Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:38:37 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12733 Why can't someone think about an electric car that has wind turbines on each side similar to the look of the bat mobile for instance, The wind turbines could then generate enough energy to keep the electric car charged just by simply going down the road. the more speed you go the more energy would transfer back to the batteries and the car itself. Why can’t someone think about an electric car that has wind turbines on each side similar to the look of the bat mobile for instance, The wind turbines could then generate enough energy to keep the electric car charged just by simply going down the road. the more speed you go the more energy would transfer back to the batteries and the car itself.

]]> By: baisez http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12732 baisez Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:17:40 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12732 Advantageously, the post is really the best on this deserving topic. I fit in with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your incoming updates. Saying thanks will not just be adequate, for the extraordinary clarity in your writing. I will right away grab your rss feed to stay privy of any updates. Admirable work and much success in your business enterprise! Advantageously, the post is really the best on this deserving topic. I fit in with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your incoming updates. Saying thanks will not just be adequate, for the extraordinary clarity in your writing. I will right away grab your rss feed to stay privy of any updates. Admirable work and much success in your business enterprise!

]]> By: judithanne http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12731 judithanne Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:37:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12731 An energy research group reports on burning an aluminum - magnesium alloy wire under water. (Auto. Eng. Aug 1985 + 4 L for a possible installable second gastank for ICE's). Aluminum definitely has far better energy-holding capacity than current batteries. (That's per unit weight). Weight is a car's enemy, especially in city traffic. Only a flywheel or some devicethat would save up braking energy to reuse it for accelerating (regenerative braking) will improve it. We've seen hybrids, which overcome some of the worst inefficiencies of the Internal Combustion Engine without too many batteries (by recharging them with gasoline). Considering traffic jams and too-busy roads, I think busses operating from collecton stations in suburbs and having travel priority would help alot. If such a station were at-grade loading and had a ramp so wheelchairs and other heavily-loaded carts (tot, baby, or luggage carriers for instance), life would also be better at the far end. And people peddling or walking to the station would make us all a lot healthier. An energy research group reports on burning an aluminum – magnesium alloy wire under water. (Auto. Eng. Aug 1985 + 4 L for a possible installable second gastank for ICE’s). Aluminum definitely has far better energy-holding capacity than current batteries. (That’s per unit weight).
Weight is a car’s enemy, especially in city traffic. Only a flywheel or some devicethat would save up braking energy to reuse it for accelerating (regenerative braking) will improve it.
We’ve seen hybrids, which overcome some of the worst inefficiencies of the Internal Combustion Engine without too many batteries (by recharging them with gasoline).
Considering traffic jams and too-busy roads, I think busses operating from collecton stations in suburbs and having travel priority would help alot. If such a station were at-grade loading and had a ramp so wheelchairs and other heavily-loaded carts (tot, baby, or luggage carriers for instance), life would also be better at the far end. And people peddling or walking to the station would make us all a lot healthier.

]]> By: CG http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12730 CG Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:05:39 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12730 Jonnie-Bob Says: ... What powers the device? Gasoline? Diesel fuel? A big wind-up spring? It can’t be the car battery to run the machine to produce the hydrogen to spin the generator to charge the battery to run the machine… I have just checked out the site that Tomulcak supplied... It says that a hydroxy compound is pumped into the engine, not only hydrogen... Simple chemistry: Electricity powers the electrolyzer, for sure... But, it is the hydrogen that burned in the combustion chamber, which would replace the gasoline, and oxygen, who helps "better" burning... When the energy circle is investigated, electricity energy (from engine-battery), becomes engine power resulting in no gain probable (as the water is the last product for H2), besides there are losses in alternator/battery/electrolyzer, etc. The only think that might cause an increase in efficiency in the combustion process maybe the increase of oxygen rushing into chamber, helping fuel to burn better, with the help of recalibration of the ECU... I could say that, not 50%, but 5-10% of savings might be possible.. without depleting energy from the battery... Jonnie-Bob Says:
… What powers the device? Gasoline? Diesel fuel? A big wind-up spring? It can’t be the car battery to run the machine to produce the hydrogen to spin the generator to charge the battery to run the machine…

I have just checked out the site that Tomulcak supplied… It says that a hydroxy compound is pumped into the engine, not only hydrogen…

Simple chemistry:

Electricity powers the electrolyzer, for sure… But, it is the hydrogen that burned in the combustion chamber, which would replace the gasoline, and oxygen, who helps “better” burning…

When the energy circle is investigated, electricity energy (from engine-battery), becomes engine power resulting in no gain probable (as the water is the last product for H2), besides there are losses in alternator/battery/electrolyzer, etc.
The only think that might cause an increase in efficiency in the combustion process maybe the increase of oxygen rushing into chamber, helping fuel to burn better, with the help of recalibration of the ECU…
I could say that, not 50%, but 5-10% of savings might be possible.. without depleting energy from the battery…

]]> By: Jason Ford http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12729 Jason Ford Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:01:45 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12729 It's a nice idea...as it also helps to improve our environment and avoids our etra expenses...great. It’s a nice idea…as it also helps to improve our environment and avoids our etra expenses…great.

]]> By: Jonnie-Bob http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12728 Jonnie-Bob Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:34:11 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12728 Tomulcak says: There are 100,000s of cars world wide that have been running on water since 2000 – using a $300 dollar device that simply bolts in to a regular vehicle – car, truck, SUV. That it produces Hydrogen for fuel to run the car. Fantastic! What powers the device? Gasoline? Diesel fuel? A big wind-up spring? It can't be the car battery to run the machine to produce the hydrogen to spin the generator to charge the battery to run the machine... Of course, the word "fantastic" really refers to a fantasy. Too bad. Tomulcak says: There are 100,000s of cars world wide that have been running on water since 2000 – using a $300 dollar device that simply bolts in to a regular vehicle – car, truck, SUV. That it produces Hydrogen for fuel to run the car. Fantastic! What powers the device? Gasoline? Diesel fuel? A big wind-up spring? It can’t be the car battery to run the machine to produce the hydrogen to spin the generator to charge the battery to run the machine…
Of course, the word “fantastic” really refers to a fantasy. Too bad.

]]> By: tomulcak http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/10/14/how-would-you-like-your-green-car-hydrogen-powered-or-with-a-unicycle-on-the-side/#comment-12727 tomulcak Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:24:17 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=4295#comment-12727 why does Discover magazine continue to show prototypes and golf cart like electric cars and fuel cell powered cars that look like toys? The electric cars are already out there with 300 mile ranges with 45 minute quick charge. And why is everyone refusing to discuss HHO? There are 100,000s of cars world wide that have been running on water since 2000 - using a $300 dollar device that simply bolts in to a regular vehicle - car, truck, SUV. (http://www.punchhho.com/howitworks.php). HHO is also described in the latest DOT publication on hydrogen as a fuel for vehicles. HHO delivered on-board does not need the infrastructure to deliver hydrogen.... we have the technology, we are just blind to it - thanks to publications like Discover. why does Discover magazine continue to show prototypes and golf cart like electric cars and fuel cell powered cars that look like toys? The electric cars are already out there with 300 mile ranges with 45 minute quick charge. And why is everyone refusing to discuss HHO? There are 100,000s of cars world wide that have been running on water since 2000 – using a $300 dollar device that simply bolts in to a regular vehicle – car, truck, SUV. (http://www.punchhho.com/howitworks.php). HHO is also described in the latest DOT publication on hydrogen as a fuel for vehicles. HHO delivered on-board does not need the infrastructure to deliver hydrogen…. we have the technology, we are just blind to it – thanks to publications like Discover.

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