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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/11/11/vatican-to-e-t-hello-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-1124653</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site thanks!!</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. @Doc,

&quot;No independence Day, no War of the Worlds, just Mankind getting stomped.&quot;

Umm, wasn&#039;t the whole plot of those movies mankind getting stomped?  Or at least the aliens trying to stomp mankind?

In each one the humans triumph but when I step back, the plots just seem silly.  The aliens were clearly superior technologically having achieved large-scale space faring cultures.  On Earth, whenever a technologically advanced culture has met a less advanced culture the results favor the advanced culture.  Drastically.

Are we really to believe that the aliens didn&#039;t anticipate bacteria (War of the Worlds), or a commando-style mission using captured equipment (Independence Day)?

Good escapist entertainment, yes!  Realistic threat assessment, not so much.  But it&#039;s not fair of me to criticize those movies for not doing what they were never intended to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. @Doc,</p>
<p>&#8220;No independence Day, no War of the Worlds, just Mankind getting stomped.&#8221;</p>
<p>Umm, wasn&#8217;t the whole plot of those movies mankind getting stomped?  Or at least the aliens trying to stomp mankind?</p>
<p>In each one the humans triumph but when I step back, the plots just seem silly.  The aliens were clearly superior technologically having achieved large-scale space faring cultures.  On Earth, whenever a technologically advanced culture has met a less advanced culture the results favor the advanced culture.  Drastically.</p>
<p>Are we really to believe that the aliens didn&#8217;t anticipate bacteria (War of the Worlds), or a commando-style mission using captured equipment (Independence Day)?</p>
<p>Good escapist entertainment, yes!  Realistic threat assessment, not so much.  But it&#8217;s not fair of me to criticize those movies for not doing what they were never intended to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart move on behalf of the Catholic religion.  Instead of taking a very close minded angle to this debate (cough cough evangelical christians)... they took the path of least resistance and acknowledge the possibility of the existence of alien life.  

This is important for 2 reasons.. 

1. The church is acknowledging some role between science and religion (what be find to be true scientifically can also be explained theologically).  

2. The Catholic faith can remain strong new despite scientific discoveries.  This open minded approach might actually bring more people back to the fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart move on behalf of the Catholic religion.  Instead of taking a very close minded angle to this debate (cough cough evangelical christians)&#8230; they took the path of least resistance and acknowledge the possibility of the existence of alien life.  </p>
<p>This is important for 2 reasons.. </p>
<p>1. The church is acknowledging some role between science and religion (what be find to be true scientifically can also be explained theologically).  </p>
<p>2. The Catholic faith can remain strong new despite scientific discoveries.  This open minded approach might actually bring more people back to the fold.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl  Wajenberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/11/11/vatican-to-e-t-hello-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-67602</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl  Wajenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an interesting Christian perspective on extraterrestrial intelligence, in fictional form, see C. S. Lewis&#039;s trilogy, &quot;Out of the Silent Planet,&quot; &quot;Perelandra,&quot; and &quot;That Hideous Strength.&quot;  In the first two, we meet five various races of extraterrestrial, in theology-based plots that are either fantasy or science fiction, depending on your metaphysical convictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an interesting Christian perspective on extraterrestrial intelligence, in fictional form, see C. S. Lewis&#8217;s trilogy, &#8220;Out of the Silent Planet,&#8221; &#8220;Perelandra,&#8221; and &#8220;That Hideous Strength.&#8221;  In the first two, we meet five various races of extraterrestrial, in theology-based plots that are either fantasy or science fiction, depending on your metaphysical convictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think that in that last snippit by Paul Davies he answers his own question.  Christians believe that God became incarnate to deliver mankind from its sins.  Thats, Mankind.  If the &quot;little green men&quot; never suffered from a fall the likes of which Mankind suffered from, they would not be beholden to a savior Christ, nor would their perspective on religion be beholden too it.

Granted, in the case of an integration of cultures (and I highly doubt this would happen), I am sure that the Christian faith would welcome any alien converts.  The far more likely scenario, I would claim, is that any visiting intelligent life would see the futility of efforts towards peace with a creature such as man, and then again see the utility of simply destroying us, something they would likely be completely capable of doing at a whim.

No independence Day, no War of the Worlds, just Mankind getting stomped.  So I don&#039;t really think its going to be an issue one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think that in that last snippit by Paul Davies he answers his own question.  Christians believe that God became incarnate to deliver mankind from its sins.  Thats, Mankind.  If the &#8220;little green men&#8221; never suffered from a fall the likes of which Mankind suffered from, they would not be beholden to a savior Christ, nor would their perspective on religion be beholden too it.</p>
<p>Granted, in the case of an integration of cultures (and I highly doubt this would happen), I am sure that the Christian faith would welcome any alien converts.  The far more likely scenario, I would claim, is that any visiting intelligent life would see the futility of efforts towards peace with a creature such as man, and then again see the utility of simply destroying us, something they would likely be completely capable of doing at a whim.</p>
<p>No independence Day, no War of the Worlds, just Mankind getting stomped.  So I don&#8217;t really think its going to be an issue one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these guys finally get it, maybe they read &quot;Chariots of the Gods.&quot; A  book written in 1968 by Erich von Däniken  It involves the hypothesis that the technologies and religions of many ancient civilizations were given to them by space travelers who were welcomed as gods. Although the book still is controversial today with some accusation of plagiarism it does lay the groundwork for acceptance of aliens into our culture. 

Some past writings of H. P. Lovecraft&#039;s short stories &quot;The Call of Cthulhu&quot; and &quot;At the Mountains of Madness&quot; may also have helped. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F


You can&#039;t deny parts of the Bible old testament and the Koran references to such things as &quot;Book of Epoch&quot; when the 199 fallen angels swept down from the sky to take humans wives, their offspring were giants of their times...... We do have to be careful what is written over the years because a lot of it is left for subjective interpretations.

I don&#039;t know who or what we are seeing is real or illusionary but if we look in a mirror that is what some string theorist say is what you will see from the sightings, us from the future manipulating the past. I have never met an alien, that I know of, but if the future is manipulating the past then I have been blessed by a very close encounter in my youth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=1

This however I do know, in my youth the very close encounter I had changed my life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these guys finally get it, maybe they read &#8220;Chariots of the Gods.&#8221; A  book written in 1968 by Erich von Däniken  It involves the hypothesis that the technologies and religions of many ancient civilizations were given to them by space travelers who were welcomed as gods. Although the book still is controversial today with some accusation of plagiarism it does lay the groundwork for acceptance of aliens into our culture. </p>
<p>Some past writings of H. P. Lovecraft&#8217;s short stories &#8220;The Call of Cthulhu&#8221; and &#8220;At the Mountains of Madness&#8221; may also have helped. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F</a></p>
<p>You can&#8217;t deny parts of the Bible old testament and the Koran references to such things as &#8220;Book of Epoch&#8221; when the 199 fallen angels swept down from the sky to take humans wives, their offspring were giants of their times&#8230;&#8230; We do have to be careful what is written over the years because a lot of it is left for subjective interpretations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who or what we are seeing is real or illusionary but if we look in a mirror that is what some string theorist say is what you will see from the sightings, us from the future manipulating the past. I have never met an alien, that I know of, but if the future is manipulating the past then I have been blessed by a very close encounter in my youth.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=1</a></p>
<p>This however I do know, in my youth the very close encounter I had changed my life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very misleading title, and I&#039;m not sure the religious questions would have come into it - the full programme of events can be found here (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/2009/booklet_astrobiology_17.pdf)

... and the plenary session on evolution was held this time last year not &quot;earlier this year&quot; as your article states. Again the proceedings are available from the PAS website. 

... and given that the many historians of science - Jaki and Hannam to name but two - have attributed the birth of the modern era of science to the Church there is very little for the Church to &quot;overcome&quot; ... perhaps only in the mind of those who read Dan Brown. 

If anyone&#039;s interested I did a wee interview with Prof J Lunine - the organiser of the study week - which can be found by clicking on my name (web link) in my blog entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very misleading title, and I&#8217;m not sure the religious questions would have come into it &#8211; the full programme of events can be found here (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/2009/booklet_astrobiology_17.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/2009/booklet_astrobiology_17.pdf</a>)</p>
<p>&#8230; and the plenary session on evolution was held this time last year not &#8220;earlier this year&#8221; as your article states. Again the proceedings are available from the PAS website. </p>
<p>&#8230; and given that the many historians of science &#8211; Jaki and Hannam to name but two &#8211; have attributed the birth of the modern era of science to the Church there is very little for the Church to &#8220;overcome&#8221; &#8230; perhaps only in the mind of those who read Dan Brown. </p>
<p>If anyone&#8217;s interested I did a wee interview with Prof J Lunine &#8211; the organiser of the study week &#8211; which can be found by clicking on my name (web link) in my blog entry.</p>
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		<title>By: addicted to bad</title>
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		<dc:creator>addicted to bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if they don&#039;t adopt an extra-terra life is compatable with religion policy,  they give people more reasons to be thinking that religion&#039;s discouraging scientific exploration.  
Not that it is.  Of course it isn&#039;t.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if they don&#8217;t adopt an extra-terra life is compatable with religion policy,  they give people more reasons to be thinking that religion&#8217;s discouraging scientific exploration.<br />
Not that it is.  Of course it isn&#8217;t&#8230;..</p>
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