Comments on: GM Corn & Organ Failure: Lots of Sensationalism, Few Facts http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Klaus Ammann http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15343 Klaus Ammann Mon, 18 Jul 2011 03:56:27 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15343 Dear Titter and Eric as for the Monsanto Maize rendering mice sterile, just read my contribution in ASK-FORCE: http://www.ask-force.org/web/AF-5-Austrian-Micestudy/AF-5-Austrian-Experiment-20100407-opensource.pdf http://www.ask-force.org/web/AF-5-Austrian-Micestudy/AF-5-Austrian-Exp-Background-20090807-opensource.pdf the Austrian government had to retract the study because of several major flaws, and the principal author Prof. Zentek revised the whole study, and is now in the process of publishing the final version, which does not show effects anymore. I agree fully with the critique of the Seralini study of Karl, no wonder Seralini is not answering... Incidentally, Austria retracted the mice study with minimal noise, trying to hide the place where stated, see my blog, I found the statement in an EU document. Klaus Dear Titter and Eric

as for the Monsanto Maize rendering mice sterile, just read my contribution in ASK-FORCE:

http://www.ask-force.org/web/AF-5-Austrian-Micestudy/AF-5-Austrian-Experiment-20100407-opensource.pdf
http://www.ask-force.org/web/AF-5-Austrian-Micestudy/AF-5-Austrian-Exp-Background-20090807-opensource.pdf

the Austrian government had to retract the study because of several major flaws, and the principal author Prof. Zentek revised the whole study, and is now in the process of publishing the final version, which does not show effects anymore. I agree fully with the critique of the Seralini study of Karl, no wonder Seralini is not answering…

Incidentally, Austria retracted the mice study with minimal noise, trying to hide the place where stated, see my blog, I found the statement in an EU document.

Klaus

]]> By: Mary http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15342 Mary Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:09:36 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15342 Personally I am ok with GM plants in a limited sense such as imparting genes from related plants that have immunity to disease or related plants that can give an increase nutritional value. I think giving plants genes from animals or genes that give immunity to pestisides/herbicides are a bad thing. Generally speaking I am opposed to it. I worry about the fate of citrus with the spread of greening disease. In citrus they have imparted genes from spinach and other plants that are immune to greening disease and citrus canker. There are related plants "citroids" that can be infected with greening but never get greening, perhaps those would be better candidates as donor plants? Personally I am ok with GM plants in a limited sense such as imparting genes from related plants that have immunity to disease or related plants that can give an increase nutritional value. I think giving plants genes from animals or genes that give immunity to pestisides/herbicides are a bad thing. Generally speaking I am opposed to it. I worry about the fate of citrus with the spread of greening disease. In citrus they have imparted genes from spinach and other plants that are immune to greening disease and citrus canker. There are related plants “citroids” that can be infected with greening but never get greening, perhaps those would be better candidates as donor plants?

]]> By: Zin http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15341 Zin Thu, 08 Apr 2010 06:02:10 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15341 People who defend the continued testing and evaluation are not (automatically) shills for monsanto- to claim a conspiracy against you, when it doesn't make sense, simply makes you a nut. Genetic engineering is the new radiation. 99% of the people who care passionately about stopping it are clueless as to how it works, and an equal number of it's supporters don't take proper precautions. Watch for nanotechnology to come next- first it's scary as a vague overwhelming threat, then it's protested against when it enters the home, then nobody cares because in the end everyone talking is fine. People who defend the continued testing and evaluation are not (automatically) shills for monsanto- to claim a conspiracy against you, when it doesn’t make sense, simply makes you a nut.

Genetic engineering is the new radiation. 99% of the people who care passionately about stopping it are clueless as to how it works, and an equal number of it’s supporters don’t take proper precautions. Watch for nanotechnology to come next- first it’s scary as a vague overwhelming threat, then it’s protested against when it enters the home, then nobody cares because in the end everyone talking is fine.

]]> By: Uncle B http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15340 Uncle B Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:46:08 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15340 Americans fare to dependent on foreign liquid energy economy - not diversified enough, will face same plight with corn - not diversified enough! Terrible, convusive and gut wrenching paradigm shifts long over-due in America are about to be forced by world economics down the throats of Americans and a re-building of the American Dream lifestyle is in order! over-dependency on oil and mono-cropping are examples of what is wrong! Willful polluting of clean water in a country facing water shortges will also come to light, as will the wasting of sewage inplace of bio gasing and fertilizer plant support. America stands to pay for her sins as the dollar falls like astone and we can no longer afford these extravagances! Time for comeuppance approaches! GM(America) - Dead on the water! GM(china) turns 30% profit! What in hell happened there! Yankee Doodle let his corporatists down, and we inherited the ruins called Detroit City! - see net for corporatists monument to American Capitalism: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Nrlnk/exiledonline.com/slums-of-detroit-a-look-at-the-heart-of-americas-2nd-most-deserted-city Remember when this was a cultural center? Remember when America was great? A few decades ago? Will GMO's and monoculture by corporatists give us more of this? More of the same? Why does the dollar have no respect in the world? It once commanded 80% of world's reaources for Americans! What is happening to our lifestyle? Americans fare to dependent on foreign liquid energy economy – not diversified enough, will face same plight with corn – not diversified enough! Terrible, convusive and gut wrenching paradigm shifts long over-due in America are about to be forced by world economics down the throats of Americans and a re-building of the American Dream lifestyle is in order! over-dependency on oil and mono-cropping are examples of what is wrong! Willful polluting of clean water in a country facing water shortges will also come to light, as will the wasting of sewage inplace of bio gasing and fertilizer plant support. America stands to pay for her sins as the dollar falls like astone and we can no longer afford these extravagances! Time for comeuppance approaches! GM(America) – Dead on the water! GM(china) turns 30% profit! What in hell happened there! Yankee Doodle let his corporatists down, and we inherited the ruins called Detroit City! – see net for corporatists monument to American Capitalism: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Nrlnk/exiledonline.com/slums-of-detroit-a-look-at-the-heart-of-americas-2nd-most-deserted-city Remember when this was a cultural center? Remember when America was great? A few decades ago? Will GMO’s and monoculture by corporatists give us more of this? More of the same? Why does the dollar have no respect in the world? It once commanded 80% of world’s reaources for Americans! What is happening to our lifestyle?

]]> By: G. Emo http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15339 G. Emo Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:38:26 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15339 Three cheers for the advancement of corporate science here! We should jump headlong into GMO corn now and damn-the-torpedoers, full steam ahead and "profitable until proven guilty" - at least I always say! Forget that WHEAT jumped from just another food, to - in 20 years of GMO introduction, the number ONE allergen on the plates of American Endocrine Disasters...errrhhhhh uh .....Citizens (see Toll Like Receptor 4 Gene Sensitivity New England Journal of Medicine, Aug 2004) Forget that dogs die of diabetes and heart disease when fed a steady diet of GMO wheat - such that it has been largely REMOVED from the dog's diet - as recommended by AKBA. Forget that we have not really done rigorous science on all this. Peer review is a great substitute when you want to skip the science, but pretend you did not. All we have to do, is when people get sick, blame it on sloth and gluttony. That trick always works, well, except for smoking - Yes. it is Americans' own darn fault that the five top endocrine diseases (Hypo-thyroid, Hypo-pituitary, Hypo-adrenal/cortisol, Diabetes, and Hashimoto's Complex) jumped 20 fold to 40 fold with the introduction of GMO wheat, in each country it is introduced. Dang lazy Americans. Three cheers for the advancement of corporate science here! We should jump headlong into GMO corn now and damn-the-torpedoers, full steam ahead and “profitable until proven guilty” – at least I always say! Forget that WHEAT jumped from just another food, to – in 20 years of GMO introduction, the number ONE allergen on the plates of American Endocrine Disasters…errrhhhhh uh …..Citizens (see Toll Like Receptor 4 Gene Sensitivity New England Journal of Medicine, Aug 2004)

Forget that dogs die of diabetes and heart disease when fed a steady diet of GMO wheat – such that it has been largely REMOVED from the dog’s diet – as recommended by AKBA.

Forget that we have not really done rigorous science on all this. Peer review is a great substitute when you want to skip the science, but pretend you did not. All we have to do, is when people get sick, blame it on sloth and gluttony. That trick always works, well, except for smoking – Yes. it is Americans’ own darn fault that the five top endocrine diseases (Hypo-thyroid, Hypo-pituitary, Hypo-adrenal/cortisol, Diabetes, and Hashimoto’s Complex) jumped 20 fold to 40 fold with the introduction of GMO wheat, in each country it is introduced.

Dang lazy Americans.

]]> By: Breckenridge http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15338 Breckenridge Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:46:33 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15338 The more info that can get out about GMOs, the better. Corn, Cotton, Cannola, and Soy are the foods to watch out for and buy organic. The more info that can get out about GMOs, the better. Corn, Cotton, Cannola, and Soy are the foods to watch out for and buy organic.

]]> By: Dave Love http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15337 Dave Love Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:23:00 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15337 Interesting discussion here! If you want to read another piece on the GM corn debate from staff at Johns Hopkins Center for a Livable Future: http://tiny.cc/Bhslk Interesting discussion here! If you want to read another piece on the GM corn debate from staff at Johns Hopkins Center for a Livable Future: http://tiny.cc/Bhslk

]]> By: Ann Rein http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15336 Ann Rein Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:06:17 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15336 I sense quite a few shills for Monsanto here doing damage control. To the authors of this article - keep up the good work, as long as you can, we need to hear the truth., not the justification for products that can harm or kill us. I sense quite a few shills for Monsanto here doing damage control. To the authors of this article – keep up the good work, as long as you can, we need to hear the truth., not the justification for products that can harm or kill us.

]]> By: Chris Dudley http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15335 Chris Dudley Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:39:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15335 So buried by all these scientists is acknowledging that their research primarily benefits huge-multinational corporations. I get this from the IAASTD (95 percent of GM products are grown by massive corporations). One company owns 1/4 of the seed suppliers in the world as a direct result of GM products they sell. Breeders have had their numbers cut dramatically as a direct result of GM products. Farms have been consolidated as a direct result of GM products. Pesiticide use has increased dramatically in the last two years as a direct result. Production is not the issue. Never has been. Poverty and patenting are the issues. Safety of GM is an emotional side debate that can only be answered by long-term food safety studies. Why not do one or two? Well, you can't because the seeds are patented. Thanks. So buried by all these scientists is acknowledging that their research primarily benefits huge-multinational corporations. I get this from the IAASTD (95 percent of GM products are grown by massive corporations). One company owns 1/4 of the seed suppliers in the world as a direct result of GM products they sell. Breeders have had their numbers cut dramatically as a direct result of GM products. Farms have been consolidated as a direct result of GM products. Pesiticide use has increased dramatically in the last two years as a direct result. Production is not the issue. Never has been. Poverty and patenting are the issues. Safety of GM is an emotional side debate that can only be answered by long-term food safety studies. Why not do one or two? Well, you can’t because the seeds are patented. Thanks.

]]> By: Dave http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/01/15/gm-corn-organ-failure-lots-of-sensationalism-few-facts/#comment-15334 Dave Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:56:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=9117#comment-15334 @Dan I have to agree with you Dan. It's not fair to say we should just throw GM crops out the door. We do need to cut back on population, which will be near to impossible becuase it would require world wide cooperation. Even though it would solve most of our modern problems. I also agree with others who say we should do more labeling. But to say that nature provides us with all the food and protection we need all the time is willy nilly thought. This isn't pandora. What nature has provided us is intelligence. We don't have a brain if it wasn't meant to be used. True, tampering with natures balance is dangerouse, but if handled with care it can be done. Dan's right. GM crops are beautiful, if handled correctly. They could save many lives. Companies want to make money, that's just what they do becuase companies are run by humans. But that doesn't mean we should just throw GM crops out. Develope them, test them, label them, and make sure they are safe before they are commercialized. Or find some way to tell people to stop breeding. Good luck with that one :) @Dan I have to agree with you Dan. It’s not fair to say we should just throw GM crops out the door.

We do need to cut back on population, which will be near to impossible becuase it would require world wide cooperation. Even though it would solve most of our modern problems. I also agree with others who say we should do more labeling. But to say that nature provides us with all the food and protection we need all the time is willy nilly thought. This isn’t pandora. What nature has provided us is intelligence. We don’t have a brain if it wasn’t meant to be used. True, tampering with natures balance is dangerouse, but if handled with care it can be done.

Dan’s right. GM crops are beautiful, if handled correctly. They could save many lives. Companies want to make money, that’s just what they do becuase companies are run by humans. But that doesn’t mean we should just throw GM crops out. Develope them, test them, label them, and make sure they are safe before they are commercialized. Or find some way to tell people to stop breeding.

Good luck with that one :)

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