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	<title>Comments on: Lawsuit: Webcams in School-Issued Laptops Used to Spy on Students at Home</title>
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		<title>By: Mike from somewhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike from somewhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/technology-behind-school-spying.html

here is the technology</description>
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<p>here is the technology</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet Stuart &quot;from Australia&quot; has not finished any highschool and not read one book in his life. His comment was about as intelligent as that of a mouse. Oh, all teachers are pedophiles, yeah right. I am not going to waste my time mentioning that women have motherly instincts and thus like to work with kids while most men do not have the kind of wishes he seems to have (as he accuses others of having them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet Stuart &#8220;from Australia&#8221; has not finished any highschool and not read one book in his life. His comment was about as intelligent as that of a mouse. Oh, all teachers are pedophiles, yeah right. I am not going to waste my time mentioning that women have motherly instincts and thus like to work with kids while most men do not have the kind of wishes he seems to have (as he accuses others of having them).</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart from Australia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart from Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the occurrence of pedophilic teachers being far from uncommon, I find this story deeply disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the occurrence of pedophilic teachers being far from uncommon, I find this story deeply disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: LMSD Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMSD Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  School should have disclosed that they were installing the security feature (it did not come by default on the computers, actually).  That was REALLY DUMB of them not to.

2.  For the time being I am going to accept as true the District&#039;s contention that it has never used the ability for any reason except to track a missing computer.  This leaves several possibilities, not all of them good for the District.  First, assume that the plaintiff took a picture of himself.  If he took a picture that was - let&#039;s say - pornographic or something, I imagine that would be a violation of the District&#039;s computer usage policy and therefore disciplinary action would be appropriate.  On the other hand, if the kid took a picture of himself eating candy (as some of the stories suggest), then we have to ask ourselves whether - even if the District believed he was taking drugs - this would constitute a usage violation.  If so, they may have been justified in disciplining him.  If not, then they had no business disciplining him for it.  It depends on what kind of usage restrictions he agreed to.  Another possibility is that the photograph was taken  by the District because the plaintiff&#039;s computer was reported missing either by him or by the IT Dept (perhaps he didn&#039;t sign it out properly or something like that).  Suppose that the picture was taken for the purpose of tracking the computer and by chance happened to capture something that the District thought was a problem. Clearly such a situation could not violate any reasonable reading of a computer use policy, since this isn&#039;t the plaintiff using the computer.  Are there possibly situations in which a picture taken under these circumstances should cause the District to act?  I would argue &quot;yes,&quot; but that those situations are very limited.  Suppose the District happened to snap its missing computer tracking shot just as plaintiff was masturbating on his bed or - as seems to be the growing consensus - as he was holding up what looked like polls.  To my mind, these situations CLEARLY do not give the District power to act against the student.  The only thing the District could do in such a situation would be to consider the laptop found and delete the photographs.  I would argue that if the picture showed a kid playing Russian Roulette or doing something that seemed to strongly suggest suicidal or homidical intentions, that the violation of privacy involved in using the information so gathered might be outweighed by the need to act to prevent a imminent tragedy.  That is - I&#039;ll admit - shaky ground, but I would not condemn the District too much if it acted in a situation like that.

In any event, it seems unlikely to me that this involved a shot taken by accident in the course of trying to track the plaintiff&#039;s laptop.  Either the school was spying - which is WRONG on so many levels I wouldn&#039;t know where to begin (please, tell me this is not true!) or the student took a picture himself, in which case the only question here is really not whether his privacy was invaded, but whether the picture he took broke the District&#039;s computer usage policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  School should have disclosed that they were installing the security feature (it did not come by default on the computers, actually).  That was REALLY DUMB of them not to.</p>
<p>2.  For the time being I am going to accept as true the District&#8217;s contention that it has never used the ability for any reason except to track a missing computer.  This leaves several possibilities, not all of them good for the District.  First, assume that the plaintiff took a picture of himself.  If he took a picture that was &#8211; let&#8217;s say &#8211; pornographic or something, I imagine that would be a violation of the District&#8217;s computer usage policy and therefore disciplinary action would be appropriate.  On the other hand, if the kid took a picture of himself eating candy (as some of the stories suggest), then we have to ask ourselves whether &#8211; even if the District believed he was taking drugs &#8211; this would constitute a usage violation.  If so, they may have been justified in disciplining him.  If not, then they had no business disciplining him for it.  It depends on what kind of usage restrictions he agreed to.  Another possibility is that the photograph was taken  by the District because the plaintiff&#8217;s computer was reported missing either by him or by the IT Dept (perhaps he didn&#8217;t sign it out properly or something like that).  Suppose that the picture was taken for the purpose of tracking the computer and by chance happened to capture something that the District thought was a problem. Clearly such a situation could not violate any reasonable reading of a computer use policy, since this isn&#8217;t the plaintiff using the computer.  Are there possibly situations in which a picture taken under these circumstances should cause the District to act?  I would argue &#8220;yes,&#8221; but that those situations are very limited.  Suppose the District happened to snap its missing computer tracking shot just as plaintiff was masturbating on his bed or &#8211; as seems to be the growing consensus &#8211; as he was holding up what looked like polls.  To my mind, these situations CLEARLY do not give the District power to act against the student.  The only thing the District could do in such a situation would be to consider the laptop found and delete the photographs.  I would argue that if the picture showed a kid playing Russian Roulette or doing something that seemed to strongly suggest suicidal or homidical intentions, that the violation of privacy involved in using the information so gathered might be outweighed by the need to act to prevent a imminent tragedy.  That is &#8211; I&#8217;ll admit &#8211; shaky ground, but I would not condemn the District too much if it acted in a situation like that.</p>
<p>In any event, it seems unlikely to me that this involved a shot taken by accident in the course of trying to track the plaintiff&#8217;s laptop.  Either the school was spying &#8211; which is WRONG on so many levels I wouldn&#8217;t know where to begin (please, tell me this is not true!) or the student took a picture himself, in which case the only question here is really not whether his privacy was invaded, but whether the picture he took broke the District&#8217;s computer usage policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch, where's my bunny?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch, where's my bunny?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think of all that could be seen in latch key kids bedrooms! Holy Makerel Rochester! I hope those viewers got a good look, they may need it to sustain them in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think of all that could be seen in latch key kids bedrooms! Holy Makerel Rochester! I hope those viewers got a good look, they may need it to sustain them in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Moseman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Moseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ anon &amp; dasnd12, Thanks for the updates. I&#039;m interested to see more on how they try to defend this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ anon &#038; dasnd12, Thanks for the updates. I&#8217;m interested to see more on how they try to defend this.</p>
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		<title>By: dasnd12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dasnd12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the area where this occured. From what they are saying on the news and raido - mac&#039;s come with software designed to help find a lost or stolen laptop. This software allows you to activate the camera remotely and does not turn on the green light that would alert the user that the camera is on. This is supposedly how they were able to access the camera. The photo was allegedly of him taking pills - but he was actually eating candy. Of course this is all just hearsay - what they were reporting no the radio and local news this morning. 

If this is true the school district is not going to fair well on this one.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the area where this occured. From what they are saying on the news and raido &#8211; mac&#8217;s come with software designed to help find a lost or stolen laptop. This software allows you to activate the camera remotely and does not turn on the green light that would alert the user that the camera is on. This is supposedly how they were able to access the camera. The photo was allegedly of him taking pills &#8211; but he was actually eating candy. Of course this is all just hearsay &#8211; what they were reporting no the radio and local news this morning. </p>
<p>If this is true the school district is not going to fair well on this one&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the school has replied, it was just in a weak and pathetic kind of way.  

http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?t=today&amp;p=lmsd_anno

They confirm that the spy software exists, but they swear they never used it for anything bad.  Yay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the school has replied, it was just in a weak and pathetic kind of way.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?t=today&#038;p=lmsd_anno" rel="nofollow">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?t=today&#038;p=lmsd_anno</a></p>
<p>They confirm that the spy software exists, but they swear they never used it for anything bad.  Yay.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm.. interesting.  I&#039;d like to know how they would be able to remotely connect to the students laptop, considering they would be accessing a computer on the family&#039;s home private network, which is illegal.  It&#039;s more likely that the student took an unfortunate picture of himself, and then when he took it to school, it got on to the school&#039;s server, where the authorities there would have access to it.  And, technically, the laptop is the schools property, so they do have a right to know what the student is using it for.  Anyway, just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm.. interesting.  I&#8217;d like to know how they would be able to remotely connect to the students laptop, considering they would be accessing a computer on the family&#8217;s home private network, which is illegal.  It&#8217;s more likely that the student took an unfortunate picture of himself, and then when he took it to school, it got on to the school&#8217;s server, where the authorities there would have access to it.  And, technically, the laptop is the schools property, so they do have a right to know what the student is using it for.  Anyway, just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Hall Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hall Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story made http://detentionslip.org !  Check it out for all the crazy headlines from our schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story made <a href="http://detentionslip.org" rel="nofollow">http://detentionslip.org</a> !  Check it out for all the crazy headlines from our schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least an assisstant principal is a relatively non-threatening Big Brother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least an assisstant principal is a relatively non-threatening Big Brother?</p>
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