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	<title>Comments on: &quot;Hartwell Paper&quot; Is the Anti-Kerry-Lieberman; Says Carbon Targets Don&#039;t Work</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/05/13/hartwell-paper-is-the-anti-kerry-lieberman-says-carbon-targets-dont-work/#comment-19052</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 06:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing birth rates and climate change is like comparing apples and steak.
Also none is saying the poor shouldn&#039;t have electricity, what we need is for Americans to stop using so much carbon, especially coal.

The stimulus Bill had a good deal of money devoted for alternative energy research. The new energy bill that got stalled because of the BP oil spill included more subsidies for green energy as well as for Nuclear so pretty much everything the author is asking for is being done.
Personally I think there should just be a small carbon tax that would eventually grow instead of cap and trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing birth rates and climate change is like comparing apples and steak.<br />
Also none is saying the poor shouldn&#8217;t have electricity, what we need is for Americans to stop using so much carbon, especially coal.</p>
<p>The stimulus Bill had a good deal of money devoted for alternative energy research. The new energy bill that got stalled because of the BP oil spill included more subsidies for green energy as well as for Nuclear so pretty much everything the author is asking for is being done.<br />
Personally I think there should just be a small carbon tax that would eventually grow instead of cap and trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 00:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I think there is merit in this approach.  Create a regime that results in a desirable outcome automatically.

For instance, most of the world (China excepted) has &quot;tackled&quot; population growth by not tackling it.  Instead they develop their economy, raise education, standards of living, health care.  In such a world people automatically start having smaller families.  You don&#039;t have to create political problems by imposing heavy-handed controls on a sensitive matter.

It&#039;s a political minefield to suggest, even obliquely, that the developing world must slow or stop their progress towards a better life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I think there is merit in this approach.  Create a regime that results in a desirable outcome automatically.</p>
<p>For instance, most of the world (China excepted) has &#8220;tackled&#8221; population growth by not tackling it.  Instead they develop their economy, raise education, standards of living, health care.  In such a world people automatically start having smaller families.  You don&#8217;t have to create political problems by imposing heavy-handed controls on a sensitive matter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a political minefield to suggest, even obliquely, that the developing world must slow or stop their progress towards a better life.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/05/13/hartwell-paper-is-the-anti-kerry-lieberman-says-carbon-targets-dont-work/#comment-19050</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 21:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t you say this was just Roger Pielke Jr., 12 social studies teachers and some industry flack from a steel company? And that two industry groups paid for them to get together around a big polished desk and make some powerpoint slides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t you say this was just Roger Pielke Jr., 12 social studies teachers and some industry flack from a steel company? And that two industry groups paid for them to get together around a big polished desk and make some powerpoint slides.</p>
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		<title>By: ToneDeF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToneDeF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a more reasonable approach.  Though I do wish they would have given support the alternate energy source currently available at equivent cost to carbon fuels: Nuclear Power.

As they point out, other alternate fuels and carbon targets hurt the worlds poor the most (and economies in general).  Switching to nuclear would not be significantly different in cost and would be a good stop gap until other sources are developed and made efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a more reasonable approach.  Though I do wish they would have given support the alternate energy source currently available at equivent cost to carbon fuels: Nuclear Power.</p>
<p>As they point out, other alternate fuels and carbon targets hurt the worlds poor the most (and economies in general).  Switching to nuclear would not be significantly different in cost and would be a good stop gap until other sources are developed and made efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: NewEnglandBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewEnglandBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 16:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me that the Hartwell Paper is no solution at all. It appears to be a lot of wishful thinking. Why not do both: reduce carbon emissions and encourage green energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me that the Hartwell Paper is no solution at all. It appears to be a lot of wishful thinking. Why not do both: reduce carbon emissions and encourage green energy.</p>
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