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	<title>Comments on: Should We Just Euthanize the Gulf&#8217;s Oil-Soaked Birds?</title>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this is possible but if we can somehow get their DNA while the marine and wildlife is being cleaned - which is still crucial in the event that even two live to procreate..perhaps there&#039;s hope that we can reintroduce them in the future. 

I&#039;m having a really hard time fathoming that humanity has just destroyed such a huge percentage of wildlife..this is truly the most depressing time of all of our lives and I just don&#039;t see improvements being made in our lifetime or perhaps during what&#039;s left of humanity&#039;s existence on this planet.  Forcing oil to the bottom of the ocean will only make things worse as there&#039;s no way for the oil to dissolve or wear away when it&#039;s so far from the sun and the elements...many of the ocean&#039;s creatures rely on what resides along the bottom for survival.  In this case, out of site is not out of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this is possible but if we can somehow get their DNA while the marine and wildlife is being cleaned &#8211; which is still crucial in the event that even two live to procreate..perhaps there&#8217;s hope that we can reintroduce them in the future. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having a really hard time fathoming that humanity has just destroyed such a huge percentage of wildlife..this is truly the most depressing time of all of our lives and I just don&#8217;t see improvements being made in our lifetime or perhaps during what&#8217;s left of humanity&#8217;s existence on this planet.  Forcing oil to the bottom of the ocean will only make things worse as there&#8217;s no way for the oil to dissolve or wear away when it&#8217;s so far from the sun and the elements&#8230;many of the ocean&#8217;s creatures rely on what resides along the bottom for survival.  In this case, out of site is not out of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark on #4 SAID IT BEST! I agree!!! BP caused this mess. BP can pay for this and all the other problems their negligence has cost the US and the wildlife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark on #4 SAID IT BEST! I agree!!! BP caused this mess. BP can pay for this and all the other problems their negligence has cost the US and the wildlife.</p>
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		<title>By: Roselyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roselyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not euthanize.  Let&#039;s use a little logic.  A generation or two after Exxon Valdez spill, so much damage to the local marine life that POLAR BEARS ARE THREATENED.  The long-reached effects of demise of a few species impacts ALL OTHER SPECIES ON THE PLANET.  We MUST save enough individuals/variant dna of each species to maintain and thrive wild populations.  Pray that some individual birds saved will be added to the mix of dna in captive populations--zoos, sanctuaries and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not euthanize.  Let&#8217;s use a little logic.  A generation or two after Exxon Valdez spill, so much damage to the local marine life that POLAR BEARS ARE THREATENED.  The long-reached effects of demise of a few species impacts ALL OTHER SPECIES ON THE PLANET.  We MUST save enough individuals/variant dna of each species to maintain and thrive wild populations.  Pray that some individual birds saved will be added to the mix of dna in captive populations&#8211;zoos, sanctuaries and such.</p>
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		<title>By: JRobin</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRobin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we refrain from the name calling, insults and bigotry? It contributes nothing to solving the problems. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can be civil about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we refrain from the name calling, insults and bigotry? It contributes nothing to solving the problems. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we can be civil about it.</p>
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		<title>By: lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I see.  So we can&#039;t save endangered state birds because of human error but we can accept illegal immigrants and their litters, who provide NOTHING for this country but junk trucks and crammed one-bedroom apartments.  NICE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I see.  So we can&#8217;t save endangered state birds because of human error but we can accept illegal immigrants and their litters, who provide NOTHING for this country but junk trucks and crammed one-bedroom apartments.  NICE!</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ- I see where your confusion came from. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_pelican&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia page&lt;/a&gt; mentions that the brown pelican was removed from The International Union for Conservation of Nature&#039;s Red List of endangered species in 1988, presumably because of healthy populations &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19035-how-endangered-are-the-gulfs-brown-pelicans.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in Peru&lt;/a&gt; and elsewhere. 

However, the brown pelican was listed under the U.S. Endangered Species Act &lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/12/nation/na-pelicans12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;until last year&lt;/a&gt;, because the population in the Gulf had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/us/05pelican.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;real tough time&lt;/a&gt; coming back. Here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fws.gov/ecos/ajax/speciesProfile/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=B02L&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;official page&lt;/a&gt; from the US Fish &amp; Wildlife office, which says that the pelican was delisted on 11/17/09.

-- Eliza, DISCOVER online news editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ- I see where your confusion came from. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_pelican" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia page</a> mentions that the brown pelican was removed from The International Union for Conservation of Nature&#8217;s Red List of endangered species in 1988, presumably because of healthy populations <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19035-how-endangered-are-the-gulfs-brown-pelicans.html" rel="nofollow">in Peru</a> and elsewhere. </p>
<p>However, the brown pelican was listed under the U.S. Endangered Species Act <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/12/nation/na-pelicans12" rel="nofollow">until last year</a>, because the population in the Gulf had a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/us/05pelican.html" rel="nofollow">real tough time</a> coming back. Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.fws.gov/ecos/ajax/speciesProfile/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=B02L" rel="nofollow">official page</a> from the US Fish &#038; Wildlife office, which says that the pelican was delisted on 11/17/09.</p>
<p>&#8211; Eliza, DISCOVER online news editor</p>
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		<title>By: aki</title>
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		<dc:creator>aki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video clip I saw of rescuers trying to save the pelicans involved a team in a small motor boat following one individual bird around in the water &quot;until it ran out of energy and could be scooped up&quot;. How much gasoline is being used by those boat motors in this effort? How much gas is being used to fly them or drive them to Florida? I agree that if this looks like the end of the brown pelicans then effort should be spent to save enough individuals to re-start the population, but the amount of oil and gas and human effort being used to save a single individual bird seems better spent sucking up the oil on the surface or putting out more booms, or whatever techniques can be used to get rid of the oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video clip I saw of rescuers trying to save the pelicans involved a team in a small motor boat following one individual bird around in the water &#8220;until it ran out of energy and could be scooped up&#8221;. How much gasoline is being used by those boat motors in this effort? How much gas is being used to fly them or drive them to Florida? I agree that if this looks like the end of the brown pelicans then effort should be spent to save enough individuals to re-start the population, but the amount of oil and gas and human effort being used to save a single individual bird seems better spent sucking up the oil on the surface or putting out more booms, or whatever techniques can be used to get rid of the oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelican sweaters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelican sweaters?</p>
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		<title>By: Idlewilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idlewilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The birds should definately be cleaned. Even if one only in a hundred survives-we have to try, because that one bird matters.

I hope that the birds&#039; beaks are being sealed between feedings on their day or two of rest, so that they won&#039;t end up ingesting oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The birds should definately be cleaned. Even if one only in a hundred survives-we have to try, because that one bird matters.</p>
<p>I hope that the birds&#8217; beaks are being sealed between feedings on their day or two of rest, so that they won&#8217;t end up ingesting oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose the thing to do would be to take a DNA sample, clone them, and let the oily ones die. More realistically, maybe do more targeted research on how to improve their survival rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the thing to do would be to take a DNA sample, clone them, and let the oily ones die. More realistically, maybe do more targeted research on how to improve their survival rate.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cost is not an issue, as BP shall be getting the entire bill.  If there is a reasonable chance of saving the oiled birds, they need to spend the money. 

It&#039;s a false dichotomy that we can fix the birds or the habitat; we have lots of people in this country, so we can work on both.  

Why not loan the birds out to zoos for a while until the habitats are ready for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cost is not an issue, as BP shall be getting the entire bill.  If there is a reasonable chance of saving the oiled birds, they need to spend the money. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a false dichotomy that we can fix the birds or the habitat; we have lots of people in this country, so we can work on both.  </p>
<p>Why not loan the birds out to zoos for a while until the habitats are ready for them?</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Wikipedia, the Brown Pelican was removed from the endangered species list in 1988 as a result of banning DDT and other toxic pesticides in the late 1970s. The species has since returned to least concern status over the last 20 years. I&#039;m not sure where the rumor started that the Brown Pelican was recently removed from the endangered species list, unless it refers to a sub-specie native to the Southern US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Wikipedia, the Brown Pelican was removed from the endangered species list in 1988 as a result of banning DDT and other toxic pesticides in the late 1970s. The species has since returned to least concern status over the last 20 years. I&#8217;m not sure where the rumor started that the Brown Pelican was recently removed from the endangered species list, unless it refers to a sub-specie native to the Southern US.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t the brown pelicans just recently taken off the endangered species list?  I&#039;d think that, given the size of the oil spill, we&#039;d want to save any individuals we can.  Thousands are likely to die anyway and the spill may just push them back to endangered status.

AFAIK, in a situation like this you don&#039;t release the animals.  You hold them in captivity until their habitat is reasonably safe and then release them.  That may take a year or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t the brown pelicans just recently taken off the endangered species list?  I&#8217;d think that, given the size of the oil spill, we&#8217;d want to save any individuals we can.  Thousands are likely to die anyway and the spill may just push them back to endangered status.</p>
<p>AFAIK, in a situation like this you don&#8217;t release the animals.  You hold them in captivity until their habitat is reasonably safe and then release them.  That may take a year or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Part of the argument for euthanizing could be that time would be better spent on saving habitats or endangered species as opposed to cleaning doomed birds.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not an argument. It&#039;s an excuse. And it&#039;s also illiterate. How do you save &quot;habitats&quot; during a giant oil spill?

What a moronic story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Part of the argument for euthanizing could be that time would be better spent on saving habitats or endangered species as opposed to cleaning doomed birds.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not an argument. It&#8217;s an excuse. And it&#8217;s also illiterate. How do you save &#8220;habitats&#8221; during a giant oil spill?</p>
<p>What a moronic story.</p>
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