Comments on: Stem Cell Society to Get Tough on "Charlatans" & Unproven Treatments http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Jane Zurakowski http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20009 Jane Zurakowski Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:11:59 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20009 NH Lady, Your link to mercurynews.com doesn't pull up anything. NH Lady,

Your link to mercurynews.com doesn’t pull up anything.

]]> By: Jennifer Angela http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20008 Jennifer Angela Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:32:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20008 You hit them with your smarts NH Lady, more power to you for that! Tom attempted to impress us with this high position within society (speaking of "getting off your high horse"... I can think of somebody who needs to get off of his...), but he underestimated the wits of his fellow female citizens. I wish to add, that I also totally agree with Antonio regarding the "feeding patients toxics" matter: That certainly is a huge health "care" (or rather destruction of your remaining health) issue. Don´t get me wrong. Health care is usually a huge act of reprieve and salvation for all of us (e.g. when we break a finger or leg), but overmedication of patients is a huge issue, which needs to be solved. You hit them with your smarts NH Lady, more power to you for that! Tom attempted to impress us with this high position within society (speaking of “getting off your high horse”… I can think of somebody who needs to get off of his…), but he underestimated the wits of his fellow female citizens. I wish to add, that I also totally agree with Antonio regarding the “feeding patients toxics” matter: That certainly is a huge health “care” (or rather destruction of your remaining health) issue. Don´t get me wrong. Health care is usually a huge act of reprieve and salvation for all of us (e.g. when we break a finger or leg), but overmedication of patients is a huge issue, which needs to be solved.

]]> By: NH Lady http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20007 NH Lady Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:31:23 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20007 Antonio I believe you have hit the nail on the head. What a coincidence huh? http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_15363231?nclick_check=1 Guess who works at Stanford? http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/Irving_Weissman/ Antonio
I believe you have hit the nail on the head.

What a coincidence huh?

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_15363231?nclick_check=1

Guess who works at Stanford?

http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/Irving_Weissman/

]]> By: Antonio Silva http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20006 Antonio Silva Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:00:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20006 Dear NH Lady & Barbara & Thomas: Your points are well-taken, but I am here to answer your specific question. Paul Joseph Goebbels-Weissman was appointed as propaganda minister by his Fuhrer (Big Medicine) to keep stem cells from affecting Der Fuhrer's $300,000,ooo A DAY profits. Der Fuhrer has set the rules for American Medicine: 1--Profits are all that matters 2--No cures of any chronic disease allowed ever 3--Patients are lab rats Goebbels and Stanford share in hundreds of millions in rewards for their death-dealing services. But the rest of us are lab rats who are fed useless, expensive toxic drugs that do nothing but harm in the long run. Minister Goebbels lies are to train us NOT to complain when we don't get stem cells. Dear NH Lady & Barbara & Thomas:
Your points are well-taken, but I am here to answer your specific question. Paul Joseph Goebbels-Weissman was appointed as propaganda minister by his Fuhrer (Big Medicine) to keep stem cells from affecting Der Fuhrer’s $300,000,ooo A DAY profits. Der Fuhrer has set the rules for American Medicine:
1–Profits are all that matters
2–No cures of any chronic disease allowed ever
3–Patients are lab rats
Goebbels and Stanford share in hundreds of millions in rewards for their death-dealing services. But the rest of us are lab rats who are fed useless, expensive toxic drugs that do nothing but harm in the long run. Minister Goebbels lies are to train us NOT to complain when we don’t get stem cells.

]]> By: Thomas Ichim http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20005 Thomas Ichim Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:41:27 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20005 Dr Weissman has made many fantastic contributions to basic science for which he must be respected. Unfortunately he has purposefully or unpurposefully has ignored the tremendous advances made in adult stem cell therapies. Adult stem cells are in Phase III clinical trials whereas embryonic stem cells have has a temporary Phase I approval that was retracted before any patients where treated. Irv's company StemCells Inc that uses "fetal" stem cells only has a phase I in which 6 children with Batten Disease where treated, of which 1 died. The problem with adult stem cell therapies is that some of them can be performed so simply (like autologous bone marrow or adipose stem cells) that "poor countries" have started clinically implementing them. This gives these countries the ability to race ahead of the Stanford's of the world. One can learn more about adult stem cells on my youtube channel www.youtube.com/cellmedicine Tom Thomas E Ichim Chief Executive Officer Medistem Inc 9255 Towne Centre Drive Suite 450 San Diego CA 92122 Dr Weissman has made many fantastic contributions to basic science for which he must be respected. Unfortunately he has purposefully or unpurposefully has ignored the tremendous advances made in adult stem cell therapies. Adult stem cells are in Phase III clinical trials whereas embryonic stem cells have has a temporary Phase I approval that was retracted before any patients where treated. Irv’s company StemCells Inc that uses “fetal” stem cells only has a phase I in which 6 children with Batten Disease where treated, of which 1 died.

The problem with adult stem cell therapies is that some of them can be performed so simply (like autologous bone marrow or adipose stem cells) that “poor countries” have started clinically implementing them. This gives these countries the ability to race ahead of the Stanford’s of the world.

One can learn more about adult stem cells on my youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/cellmedicine

Tom

Thomas E Ichim
Chief Executive Officer
Medistem Inc
9255 Towne Centre Drive
Suite 450
San Diego
CA 92122

]]> By: Alexey Bersenev http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20004 Alexey Bersenev Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:51:24 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20004 NH Lady & Barbara Hanson, Right, nobody appointed Dr. Weissman and ISSCR to be "world police" and regulate this question around the world. And they will not do it. There are government regulatory agencies, they should take actions if necessarily. The role of ISSCR as well as other professional organizations dedicated to stem cell research and cell therapies - provide useful information and their expert's opinion, educate patients and physicians, create a database of clinics and available treatments, analyze results of clinical trials and clinical cases, write a guidelines. Not more then that. You as a patient have rights to decide for yourself go for this kind of treatments or not. But presence of reliable and available for free educational information online is extremely important in making of your decision and scale risks/benefits ratio. Better then only advertisement of clinics. So for sure ISSCR does good job in this direction. NH Lady & Barbara Hanson,
Right, nobody appointed Dr. Weissman and ISSCR to be “world police” and regulate this question around the world. And they will not do it. There are government regulatory agencies, they should take actions if necessarily.
The role of ISSCR as well as other professional organizations dedicated to stem cell research and cell therapies – provide useful information and their expert’s opinion, educate patients and physicians, create a database of clinics and available treatments, analyze results of clinical trials and clinical cases, write a guidelines. Not more then that.
You as a patient have rights to decide for yourself go for this kind of treatments or not. But presence of reliable and available for free educational information online is extremely important in making of your decision and scale risks/benefits ratio. Better then only advertisement of clinics.

So for sure ISSCR does good job in this direction.

]]> By: Barbara Hanson http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20003 Barbara Hanson Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:39:07 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20003 Personally, I would like to know who made the ISSCR the world police for stem cell clinics. I believe there is more to this than concern for patients. Yes, there are some charlatans out there, but patients that have no options that have terminal diseases should be able to decide for themselves if they want to have an experimental treatment. I have gone offshore and feel that the treatment has saved my life. The ISSCR now has a new horrific case to parade in front of the world. The woman who died from the experimental treatment in Thailand had a direct injection into her kidney. The last case that was used was the boy from the Ukraine who had some ghastly combination of stem cells. This is not the norm. Patients do need to proceed with caution, however, stopping all therapies is way beyond the realm of sensibility. There are thousands of other patients who have had successful, safe treatments that chose not to lay at home waiting to die while the ISSCR and Big Pharma figure out how best to take the industry over. Personally, I would like to know who made the ISSCR the world police for stem cell clinics. I believe there is more to this than concern for patients. Yes, there are some charlatans out there, but patients that have no options that have terminal diseases should be able to decide for themselves if they want to have an experimental treatment. I have gone offshore and feel that the treatment has saved my life. The ISSCR now has a new horrific case to parade in front of the world. The woman who died from the experimental treatment in Thailand had a direct injection into her kidney. The last case that was used was the boy from the Ukraine who had some ghastly combination of stem cells. This is not the norm. Patients do need to proceed with caution, however, stopping all therapies is way beyond the realm of sensibility. There are thousands of other patients who have had successful, safe treatments that chose not to lay at home waiting to die while the ISSCR and Big Pharma figure out how best to take the industry over.

]]> By: NH Lady http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20002 NH Lady Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:34:01 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20002 I would like to know who appointed Dr Weissman as the policer of stem cell treatments? He creates a society and then announces he will crack down on anyone HE perceives as fraudulent. In other words, he will turn the clock back on any advances made in the US by many of these doctors. What entails fraud? If the treatment doesn't provide any improvements? Get off your high horse Irv. I can remember a short time ago when you claimed ALL stem cell treatments were fraud . Now that you have realized some of them actually work, you jump on the bandwagon to play good/bad cop. I would like to know who appointed Dr Weissman as the policer of stem cell treatments?

He creates a society and then announces he will crack down on anyone HE perceives as fraudulent. In other words, he will turn the clock back on any advances made in the US by many of these doctors. What entails fraud? If the treatment doesn’t provide any improvements?

Get off your high horse Irv. I can remember a short time ago when you claimed ALL stem cell treatments were fraud . Now that you have realized some of them actually work, you jump on the bandwagon to play good/bad cop.

]]> By: sanud002 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/22/stem-cell-society-to-get-tough-on-charlatans-unproven-treatments/#comment-20001 sanud002 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:45:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=16491#comment-20001 I agree that it is horrible practice to be preying on the hopes of suffering patients to push experimental treatments. The reality is that we do need to move forward but carefully. I'll post a link to one of my favorite researchers in this field. His name is Dr. Atala and he has been at the forefront of the stem cell community for some time. I trust that his type of research will move forward swiftly and responsibly. http://www.ndep.us/Building-Body-Parts I agree that it is horrible practice to be preying on the hopes of suffering patients to push experimental treatments. The reality is that we do need to move forward but carefully. I’ll post a link to one of my favorite researchers in this field. His name is Dr. Atala and he has been at the forefront of the stem cell community for some time. I trust that his type of research will move forward swiftly and responsibly.

http://www.ndep.us/Building-Body-Parts

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