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	<title>Comments on: Frog Species Are Hopping Into Extinction Before They’re Even Discovered</title>
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		<title>By: bluedancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluedancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it all seemed to happen very dramatically in 2006---ccd became an issue, white nose fungus in bats, chytrid in frogs---it seems that this is when the epidemics started to come to a head.  i wonder what drought conditions were like world-wide in that year---if this is one immune stressor.   

if something happens this suddenly, can it be related to evolution (or the failure to evolve?)  i also think it&#039;s more likely the die-off has something to do with sudden environmental changes as a result of climate change, something the peer-reviewed studies agree has had a human factor.  the transport of unfamiliar pathogens from place to place doesn&#039;t help either---but this has happened for quite some time.  it just now is having dramatic effects.  something else has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it all seemed to happen very dramatically in 2006&#8212;ccd became an issue, white nose fungus in bats, chytrid in frogs&#8212;it seems that this is when the epidemics started to come to a head.  i wonder what drought conditions were like world-wide in that year&#8212;if this is one immune stressor.   </p>
<p>if something happens this suddenly, can it be related to evolution (or the failure to evolve?)  i also think it&#8217;s more likely the die-off has something to do with sudden environmental changes as a result of climate change, something the peer-reviewed studies agree has had a human factor.  the transport of unfamiliar pathogens from place to place doesn&#8217;t help either&#8212;but this has happened for quite some time.  it just now is having dramatic effects.  something else has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#5 Although I am still doing research on this subject, I was under the impression that the spread of the chytrid fungus was thought to be caused by people shipping African clawed frogs all over the world to be used in pregnancy testing.  I&#039;m not sure that that qualifies as &quot;dying of natural causes&quot;.

I do agree with you that we don&#039;t fully comprehend the ramifications of what we are doing.  (I&#039;m sure that the people shipping African clawed frogs around the world had no idea of the problems they would be causing half a century later), but the alternative is to sit back and watch an entire class of animal be wiped out.  Natural vs. unnatural kind of becomes a moot point when you think about the ramifications that this would have on the ecosystem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#5 Although I am still doing research on this subject, I was under the impression that the spread of the chytrid fungus was thought to be caused by people shipping African clawed frogs all over the world to be used in pregnancy testing.  I&#8217;m not sure that that qualifies as &#8220;dying of natural causes&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that we don&#8217;t fully comprehend the ramifications of what we are doing.  (I&#8217;m sure that the people shipping African clawed frogs around the world had no idea of the problems they would be causing half a century later), but the alternative is to sit back and watch an entire class of animal be wiped out.  Natural vs. unnatural kind of becomes a moot point when you think about the ramifications that this would have on the ecosystem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Judd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jury is still out to be sure and we are guilty of great hubris by imagining we can &#039;fix&#039; everything that bothers us.  I don&#039;t suspect that reporting the apparent disappearance of species really qualifies as tinkering with evolution however.  Or lamenting the event.  That said there is some thought that this fungus responsible for taking out many species of amphibians world wide has become more virulent due to climate change.  That might not even be healthy for us!  Agree with FUAG that many steps have been taken to fix things that were far worse than the problem eg. cane toads in Australia at the moment and elsewhere earlier.  Have to admire your ability to distract from the story and bring hostile fie to yourself though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jury is still out to be sure and we are guilty of great hubris by imagining we can &#8216;fix&#8217; everything that bothers us.  I don&#8217;t suspect that reporting the apparent disappearance of species really qualifies as tinkering with evolution however.  Or lamenting the event.  That said there is some thought that this fungus responsible for taking out many species of amphibians world wide has become more virulent due to climate change.  That might not even be healthy for us!  Agree with FUAG that many steps have been taken to fix things that were far worse than the problem eg. cane toads in Australia at the moment and elsewhere earlier.  Have to admire your ability to distract from the story and bring hostile fie to yourself though.</p>
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		<title>By: FUAG</title>
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		<dc:creator>FUAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#2
I am a lover of nature, I very much enjoy the wealth of beauty provided by its bountiful species.  But if a species is dying of natural causes it is part of nature and evolution.  Are you proposing that we should now, given that we have the ability, muck with evolution?

I look forward to your post when 5 years from now there is an article on how the Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis fungus evolved into something that can harm humans, or makes it more difficult for other frog species to evolve to defend against it, due to our tinkering with evolution.

In many occasions, one should not be asking “what can we do” but rather “what should we do”.  Science has done MANY things throughout history that, in hindsight, were catastrophically ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#2<br />
I am a lover of nature, I very much enjoy the wealth of beauty provided by its bountiful species.  But if a species is dying of natural causes it is part of nature and evolution.  Are you proposing that we should now, given that we have the ability, muck with evolution?</p>
<p>I look forward to your post when 5 years from now there is an article on how the Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis fungus evolved into something that can harm humans, or makes it more difficult for other frog species to evolve to defend against it, due to our tinkering with evolution.</p>
<p>In many occasions, one should not be asking “what can we do” but rather “what should we do”.  Science has done MANY things throughout history that, in hindsight, were catastrophically ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Prasad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3
Worse the pity if evolution stops at us, innit</description>
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Worse the pity if evolution stops at us, innit</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolve or die. 

Nature took care of itself for most of 2 billion years before we were around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolve or die. </p>
<p>Nature took care of itself for most of 2 billion years before we were around.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#1

I guess the only species that matter to you (besides sheep) are people and animals we regularly eat.  For you, I assume those would be the  Great Alaskan fried fish, and the North American hamburgerbird.  

I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve watched enough Inspector Gadget to learn the word &quot;incompetence&quot;, and possess understanding enough to know you fall into the group that is defined by it.</description>
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<p>I guess the only species that matter to you (besides sheep) are people and animals we regularly eat.  For you, I assume those would be the  Great Alaskan fried fish, and the North American hamburgerbird.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve watched enough Inspector Gadget to learn the word &#8220;incompetence&#8221;, and possess understanding enough to know you fall into the group that is defined by it.</p>
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		<title>By: FUAG</title>
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		<dc:creator>FUAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, if only we were around to make fluffy wool sweaters for the Dinosaurs...  Damn our incompetence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, if only we were around to make fluffy wool sweaters for the Dinosaurs&#8230;  Damn our incompetence!</p>
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