Comments on: Body-Scanners in Courthouses Have Stored Thousands of Rather Personal Images http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Jeff Buske http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21130 Jeff Buske Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:02:43 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21130 Wow so many high quality comments! The scanners are wrong on so many areas privacy, legal search, improper touching, child pornography, health radiation and disease transfer. The radiation dose is far greater than the "official" numbers show. This equipment is a health risk children, elderly, expecting parents and people with DNA repair issues. http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/How-penetrating-are-airport-back-scatter-x-rays.html The direct overscan and scattered dose to security workers and travelers is significant. The security area is radioactive and should be clearly marked that radiation equipment is in use. http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/Airport-Back-scatter-Scanner-Dose-Explained.html Wow so many high quality comments! The scanners are wrong on so many areas privacy, legal search, improper touching, child pornography, health radiation and disease transfer. The radiation dose is far greater than the “official” numbers show. This equipment is a health risk children, elderly, expecting parents and people with DNA repair issues.

http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/How-penetrating-are-airport-back-scatter-x-rays.html

The direct overscan and scattered dose to security workers and travelers is significant. The security area is radioactive and should be clearly marked that radiation equipment is in use.
http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/Airport-Back-scatter-Scanner-Dose-Explained.html

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]]> By: Dan http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21127 Dan Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:44:17 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21127 Health concerns. Scientists at UCSF (whom I happen to trust) are unconvinced about the safety of the machines. http://news.ucsf.edu/news-briefs/details/ucsf-scientists-speak-out-against-airport-full-body-scans/ Health concerns.
Scientists at UCSF (whom I happen to trust) are unconvinced about the safety of the machines.
http://news.ucsf.edu/news-briefs/details/ucsf-scientists-speak-out-against-airport-full-body-scans/

]]> By: Furbaby http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21126 Furbaby Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:12:58 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21126 Imagine the outrage of having to choose between being subjected to a virtual strip search or being groped and molested when having to report for JURY DUTY of all things!! And it's not as if jury duty is optional, either!! None of this is even legal! A government agent has no more right to sexually molest and/or strip search you than anyone else! As Ron Paul says, when are we going to stand up and say enough is enough? How about if everyone reporting for jury duty on any given day stood outside the courthouse and protested the groping and the body scanning and REFUSED to go inside! What a concept! We also need to start suing the TSA for civil rights violations and get criminal indictments of TSA employees. These TSA employees need to be charged with sex crimes and dealt with accordingly (jail/prison time and registering as sex offenders). After all, they AGREED to do these things as a condition of their employment. Do we have the backbone to start doing these things or do we just roll over and accept this brutal, repressive Soviet style tyranny? Remember, those who would trade freedom for "security" deserve (and will get), NEITHER!! Imagine the outrage of having to choose between being subjected to a virtual strip search or being groped and molested when having to report for JURY DUTY of all things!! And it’s not as if jury duty is optional, either!! None of this is even legal! A government agent has no more right to sexually molest and/or strip search you than anyone else! As Ron Paul says, when are we going to stand up and say enough is enough? How about if everyone reporting for jury duty on any given day stood outside the courthouse and protested the groping and the body scanning and REFUSED to go inside! What a concept! We also need to start suing the TSA for civil rights violations and get criminal indictments of TSA employees. These TSA employees need to be charged with sex crimes and dealt with accordingly (jail/prison time and registering as sex offenders). After all, they AGREED to do these things as a condition of their employment. Do we have the backbone to start doing these things or do we just roll over and accept this brutal, repressive Soviet style tyranny? Remember, those who would trade freedom for “security” deserve (and will get), NEITHER!!

]]> By: Sarah http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21125 Sarah Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:36:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21125 What about the minors who go through this machine? Isn't that getting dangerously close to child pornography? Is it ok for a middle aged man to see naked body images of a 12 year old girl? Doesn't that seem wrong to anybody? What about the minors who go through this machine? Isn’t that getting dangerously close to child pornography? Is it ok for a middle aged man to see naked body images of a 12 year old girl? Doesn’t that seem wrong to anybody?

]]> By: RitaW http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21124 RitaW Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:14:26 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21124 USA Today's article explains why these machines are bad: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2010-07-13-bodyscans13_ST_N.htm The TSA cannot answer this question: "Do these machines increase the risk of cancer "WHATSOEVER" ? Their answer should be "Yes, No, We don't know"... NOT, "they have as much radiation as a cel phone". That does NOT answer the question presented. It is like asking, "Do you like to go to the movies ?", and the answer given is "green".... Just answer TSA.... Yes, No, We don't know. They will not because the answer is "Yes, it does increase one's cancer risk, over time". It is a low risk, but a RISK nonetheless. That should be people's concerns. Not who sees you naked. In the photos of the people from the machines, you can see their tibia (leg bone). That my friends, is enough radiation to increase cancer. As for the millimeter wave machines, Medical FACT: They alter your DNA strands. The machines also cannot see inside ones rectum or vagina, so they are USELESS. Make me go though them and I, and thousands of others, STOP flying. I'll take the pat search no matter what. Oh yea, I forgot to mention the TSA SWORE that the images could not be stored..... Guess what? They LIED: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/ Have a nice day. USA Today’s article explains why these machines are bad:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2010-07-13-bodyscans13_ST_N.htm

The TSA cannot answer this question:

“Do these machines increase the risk of cancer “WHATSOEVER” ?

Their answer should be “Yes, No, We don’t know”…

NOT, “they have as much radiation as a cel phone”.

That does NOT answer the question presented.

It is like asking, “Do you like to go to the movies ?”, and the answer given is “green”….

Just answer TSA…. Yes, No, We don’t know. They will not because the answer is “Yes, it does increase one’s cancer risk, over time”. It is a low risk, but a RISK nonetheless. That should be people’s concerns. Not who sees you naked.

In the photos of the people from the machines, you can see their tibia (leg bone). That my friends, is enough radiation to increase cancer.

As for the millimeter wave machines, Medical FACT: They alter your DNA strands.

The machines also cannot see inside ones rectum or vagina, so they are USELESS.

Make me go though them and I, and thousands of others, STOP flying.

I’ll take the pat search no matter what.

Oh yea, I forgot to mention the TSA SWORE that the images could not be stored…..

Guess what?

They LIED: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/

Have a nice day.

]]> By: Brian Too http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21123 Brian Too Sat, 07 Aug 2010 00:08:04 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21123 Seems intrusive and unnecessary. Also, where is the political sensitivity meter on the people in charge here? These imaging scanners were already controversial and that resulted in the "naughty bits blurring" feature. Then they go and store the resulting images?? It's like a really, really bad peep show. Still I feel certain, there is a market for blurry, naked images of anyone even slightly famous. Store those images and you are making it inevitable that leaked security images of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, among thousands of others, will make their way out. Bad, bad idea. Seems intrusive and unnecessary. Also, where is the political sensitivity meter on the people in charge here? These imaging scanners were already controversial and that resulted in the “naughty bits blurring” feature. Then they go and store the resulting images??

It’s like a really, really bad peep show. Still I feel certain, there is a market for blurry, naked images of anyone even slightly famous. Store those images and you are making it inevitable that leaked security images of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, among thousands of others, will make their way out.

Bad, bad idea.

]]> By: Beth http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21122 Beth Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:32:58 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21122 @ James E. "William Bordley, an associate general counsel with the Marshals Service, acknowledged in the letter that 'approximately 35,314 images...have been stored on the Brijot Gen2 machine' used in the Orlando, Fla. federal courthouse. In addition, Bordley wrote, a Millivision machine was tested in the Washington, D.C. federal courthouse but it was sent back to the manufacturer, which now apparently possesses the image database." You seem to deliberately miss my point! If they can "accidently" save these images, what else can be done by accident? When they scan our bodies, they also scan our wallets. Our currency and our credit cards are all scannable. Those with this technology can tell which one of us is worth mugging, or may be carrying too much cash out of the country. It's not the image that is the real problem, it's the process itself that's at issue. Why is our currency scannable in the first place? Some of our cars are equipped with OnStar™ or similar equipment which is capable of both sending and receiving messages, including turning off the engine of an auto which has been reported as stolen. Today, it's optional, but when it is mandated "for my safety," cars will be at the mercy of anyone who wants to stop me, or all traffic. How do you feel about Big Brother or Big Box Corp. having a kill switch on 30 million cars simultaneously? Where does this intrusion and control for "my safety" end? We cannot become complacent, or today's inch is tomorrow's mile. Today's technology in the hands of tomorrow's generals is a sword of Damocles we cannot undo. I will not build my own cell and then hand over the key to anyone. Will you? @ James E.
“William Bordley, an associate general counsel with the Marshals Service, acknowledged in the letter that ‘approximately 35,314 images…have been stored on the Brijot Gen2 machine’ used in the Orlando, Fla. federal courthouse. In addition, Bordley wrote, a Millivision machine was tested in the Washington, D.C. federal courthouse but it was sent back to the manufacturer, which now apparently possesses the image database.”

You seem to deliberately miss my point! If they can “accidently” save these images, what else can be done by accident? When they scan our bodies, they also scan our wallets. Our currency and our credit cards are all scannable. Those with this technology can tell which one of us is worth mugging, or may be carrying too much cash out of the country. It’s not the image that is the real problem, it’s the process itself that’s at issue. Why is our currency scannable in the first place?

Some of our cars are equipped with OnStar™ or similar equipment which is capable of both sending and receiving messages, including turning off the engine of an auto which has been reported as stolen. Today, it’s optional, but when it is mandated “for my safety,” cars will be at the mercy of anyone who wants to stop me, or all traffic. How do you feel about Big Brother or Big Box Corp. having a kill switch on 30 million cars simultaneously? Where does this intrusion and control for “my safety” end? We cannot become complacent, or today’s inch is tomorrow’s mile. Today’s technology in the hands of tomorrow’s generals is a sword of Damocles we cannot undo. I will not build my own cell and then hand over the key to anyone. Will you?

]]> By: MJ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/05/body-scanners-in-courthouses-have-stored-thousands-of-rather-personal-images/#comment-21121 MJ Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:48:46 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=18582#comment-21121 The question this raises for me is one I don't see speculated upon in this article - How easy is it to activate the "test mode". If there's a way to do it, you can be sure it will be done for someone. Just as DVD region free cracks leak, the "test mode" hacks will (or have) leak(ed) for these, allowing someone with the motive to store the images. That's what happens with software. The question this raises for me is one I don’t see speculated upon in this article -
How easy is it to activate the “test mode”.

If there’s a way to do it, you can be sure it will be done for someone. Just as DVD region free cracks leak, the “test mode” hacks will (or have) leak(ed) for these, allowing someone with the motive to store the images. That’s what happens with software.

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