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	<title>Comments on: Antarctic Sea Ice Grows Despite Global Warming—But It Won’t Last</title>
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		<title>By: Eliza Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI, Robert -- This post isn&#039;t about sea level rise. It&#039;s explaining a study that just deals with precipitation and sea ice. 

It&#039;s well understood that melting sea ice doesn&#039;t raise sea levels much; just like ice cubes in a glass of water don&#039;t cause the glass to overflow when they melt. It&#039;s the melting and runoff of land-based glaciers and ice sheets that really increases water volume in the ocean. 

There&#039;s a little wiggle room in that statement because researchers recently determined that melting icebergs &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100428142258.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;have a small effect on sea levels&lt;/a&gt;, because sea water is warmer and more salty than floating ice. The change in density and temperature raises sea levels very slightly. 

-- Eliza, DISCOVER online news editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just FYI, Robert &#8212; This post isn&#8217;t about sea level rise. It&#8217;s explaining a study that just deals with precipitation and sea ice. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s well understood that melting sea ice doesn&#8217;t raise sea levels much; just like ice cubes in a glass of water don&#8217;t cause the glass to overflow when they melt. It&#8217;s the melting and runoff of land-based glaciers and ice sheets that really increases water volume in the ocean. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a little wiggle room in that statement because researchers recently determined that melting icebergs <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100428142258.htm" rel="nofollow">have a small effect on sea levels</a>, because sea water is warmer and more salty than floating ice. The change in density and temperature raises sea levels very slightly. </p>
<p>&#8211; Eliza, DISCOVER online news editor</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i especially love the part about how when the sea ice melts that sea water will rise. 

archemedes principle!!! a guy over 2,000 years ago in sandals figured it out….who never even saw a glacier, let alone Antartica.

CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. never was…never will be. CO2 is opaque to IR wavelengths…everyone knows that IR energy wont leave. But hey! gues what?!! because E=mc2, no new energy comes in either.

people need to read books…not burn them.

The person who wrote this comment should indeed read a little more. The sun, due to the temperatures of its photosphere does not emitt much IR radiation. On the other hand the earth does. Almost all incoming solar radiation is converetd to IR and this is absorbed by CO2. Thus, this energy stays in the atmosphere to a greater extent in the presence of higher CO2 levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i especially love the part about how when the sea ice melts that sea water will rise. </p>
<p>archemedes principle!!! a guy over 2,000 years ago in sandals figured it out….who never even saw a glacier, let alone Antartica.</p>
<p>CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. never was…never will be. CO2 is opaque to IR wavelengths…everyone knows that IR energy wont leave. But hey! gues what?!! because E=mc2, no new energy comes in either.</p>
<p>people need to read books…not burn them.</p>
<p>The person who wrote this comment should indeed read a little more. The sun, due to the temperatures of its photosphere does not emitt much IR radiation. On the other hand the earth does. Almost all incoming solar radiation is converetd to IR and this is absorbed by CO2. Thus, this energy stays in the atmosphere to a greater extent in the presence of higher CO2 levels.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan C - you&#039;re exactly right.  I&#039;m glad that some people are paying attention and learning!  And I hope it&#039;s not already too late to fix it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan C &#8211; you&#8217;re exactly right.  I&#8217;m glad that some people are paying attention and learning!  And I hope it&#8217;s not already too late to fix it!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An increase in wind would explain the increase in sea ice, also, and the increase in wind would fit with warmer climate.

m: You&#039;re correct, the CO2 blocks IR wavelengths. Unfortunately, more energy comes in from the sun in the higher wavelengths as light, gets absorbed by surfaces and lower atmosphere(dust, etc), then gets re-radiated as heat (IR wavelengths), which get blocked by the CO2 and sent back to earth.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s called a &quot;Greenhouse&quot; effect. My greenhouse gets warmer than ambient inside even when the sun is behind clouds and I don&#039;t feel any heat from it outside the greenhouse in winter. The visible light is the difference (UV is blocked by the plastic&#039;s protective coating).

In other words, you missed a step of the process that often confuses people. Don&#039;t feel bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An increase in wind would explain the increase in sea ice, also, and the increase in wind would fit with warmer climate.</p>
<p>m: You&#8217;re correct, the CO2 blocks IR wavelengths. Unfortunately, more energy comes in from the sun in the higher wavelengths as light, gets absorbed by surfaces and lower atmosphere(dust, etc), then gets re-radiated as heat (IR wavelengths), which get blocked by the CO2 and sent back to earth.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called a &#8220;Greenhouse&#8221; effect. My greenhouse gets warmer than ambient inside even when the sun is behind clouds and I don&#8217;t feel any heat from it outside the greenhouse in winter. The visible light is the difference (UV is blocked by the plastic&#8217;s protective coating).</p>
<p>In other words, you missed a step of the process that often confuses people. Don&#8217;t feel bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ordinary Fool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ordinary Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apples=Oranges..........Another obvious indicator of the weakness of the attempted Arctic/Antarctic sea ice relationship is the absence of any scientific support (paper or person).

That the Antarctic sea ice extent increases, despite higher temperatures both above it and below it, is described as confusing or puzzling or a paradox.  It is not seriously described as being contested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apples=Oranges&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Another obvious indicator of the weakness of the attempted Arctic/Antarctic sea ice relationship is the absence of any scientific support (paper or person).</p>
<p>That the Antarctic sea ice extent increases, despite higher temperatures both above it and below it, is described as confusing or puzzling or a paradox.  It is not seriously described as being contested.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. m,

I am sorry to inform you that you are Not Even Wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. m,</p>
<p>I am sorry to inform you that you are Not Even Wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ordinary Fool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ordinary Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Apples = Oranges&#039; thinking produces great irony.  Insisting that increasing Antarctic sea ice must mean its colder, when the nearby land ice is all decreasing.

The Antarctic  Peninsula and West Antarctica are losing ice through melting and dynamic movement.  Even East Antarctica is now in a net ice mass loss.

 Archimedes would worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Apples = Oranges&#8217; thinking produces great irony.  Insisting that increasing Antarctic sea ice must mean its colder, when the nearby land ice is all decreasing.</p>
<p>The Antarctic  Peninsula and West Antarctica are losing ice through melting and dynamic movement.  Even East Antarctica is now in a net ice mass loss.</p>
<p> Archimedes would worry.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec aka Daffy Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec aka Daffy Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ice would also have to go out (disappear) faster and earlier. Snow is a great insulator as they mention, just ask anyone in the lake country in the north. When it snows early on ice the snow insulates the ice from the cold and the ice doesn&#039;t thicken...not safe for ice fishing. In the Spring the ice goes out quicker than split! The theory should show very rapid and early melts compared to average for the theory to hold. 

Antarctic ice melt: Spring 2007-2008 &amp; 2008-2009 vs 1979-2000 average.
http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingray/assets_c/2008/12/antarctic_sea_ice_2008_12-20-thumb-400x320.png


This does not match snow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ice would also have to go out (disappear) faster and earlier. Snow is a great insulator as they mention, just ask anyone in the lake country in the north. When it snows early on ice the snow insulates the ice from the cold and the ice doesn&#8217;t thicken&#8230;not safe for ice fishing. In the Spring the ice goes out quicker than split! The theory should show very rapid and early melts compared to average for the theory to hold. </p>
<p>Antarctic ice melt: Spring 2007-2008 &#038; 2008-2009 vs 1979-2000 average.<br />
<a href="http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingray/assets_c/2008/12/antarctic_sea_ice_2008_12-20-thumb-400x320.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingray/assets_c/2008/12/antarctic_sea_ice_2008_12-20-thumb-400&#215;320.png</a></p>
<p>This does not match snow.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*rolls eyes at frankp*    

i especially love the part about how when the sea ice melts that sea water will rise.   

archemedes principle!!!   a guy over 2,000 years ago in sandals figured it out....who never even saw a glacier, let alone Antartica.

CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.  never was...never will be.   CO2 is opaque to IR wavelengths...everyone knows that IR energy wont leave.   But hey!  gues what?!!  because E=mc2, no new energy comes in either.

people need to read books...not burn them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*rolls eyes at frankp*    </p>
<p>i especially love the part about how when the sea ice melts that sea water will rise.   </p>
<p>archemedes principle!!!   a guy over 2,000 years ago in sandals figured it out&#8230;.who never even saw a glacier, let alone Antartica.</p>
<p>CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.  never was&#8230;never will be.   CO2 is opaque to IR wavelengths&#8230;everyone knows that IR energy wont leave.   But hey!  gues what?!!  because E=mc2, no new energy comes in either.</p>
<p>people need to read books&#8230;not burn them.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it hasn&#039;t; that&#039;s completely wrong.  For the last 2 million years or more we&#039;ve been having an ice age every 110,000 years or so.  It&#039;s called the Milankovitch cycle; google it.  Always the temperature has driven the CO2 levels but now, for the first time, the CO2 level is completely out of equilibrium with the temperature.  The planet will come to equilibrium eventually and it may not be very comfortable for us.  It&#039;s probably too late already to try to fix it.  Hang on for ride!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it hasn&#8217;t; that&#8217;s completely wrong.  For the last 2 million years or more we&#8217;ve been having an ice age every 110,000 years or so.  It&#8217;s called the Milankovitch cycle; google it.  Always the temperature has driven the CO2 levels but now, for the first time, the CO2 level is completely out of equilibrium with the temperature.  The planet will come to equilibrium eventually and it may not be very comfortable for us.  It&#8217;s probably too late already to try to fix it.  Hang on for ride!</p>
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		<title>By: Carddan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carddan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as the Antarctic ice recedes, the Arctic ice will increase.  It&#039;s been that way for millions of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as the Antarctic ice recedes, the Arctic ice will increase.  It&#8217;s been that way for millions of years.</p>
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