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	<title>Comments on: Gravitational Lensing Brings Dark Energy Into Focus</title>
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		<title>By: Pachomius</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21489</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachomius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some skeptics who claim science as their heirloom speak so confidently of the empirical evidence supporting the existence of dark matter and dark energy.

They ironically forget their skepticism.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some skeptics who claim science as their heirloom speak so confidently of the empirical evidence supporting the existence of dark matter and dark energy.</p>
<p>They ironically forget their skepticism.</p>
<p>Pachomius</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21488</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, now I&#039;ve been thinking about this.  Is it possible to draw any parallels with certain quantum phenomena?  I&#039;m thinking about quarks in particular, which I&#039;m given to understand have been inferred to exist via some pretty esoteric particle collider results.  In other words, they may not have been directly observed either.

So here&#039;s my question.  What is the standard of evidence, before a hypothesis becomes a theory?  I mean, quarks are widely accepted to exist, right?  And yet, I am still skeptical of DM &amp; DE which is asserted to comprise the majority of everything, and yet is unobservable.

I assert that Occam&#039;s razor points to simpler answers than inventing an unobservable &quot;something&quot; that we call &quot;dark&quot; because, quite honestly, science does not have a clue on the issue.  Science has experienced unexplained phenomena before, many times.  It&#039;s more honest to say &quot;we don&#039;t know&quot; than it is to say &quot;Dark Matter.  Take it to the bank.  Dark Energy.  Count on it.&quot;

Hey, I&#039;m willing to give the scientists some time.  They deserve that much.  However if there&#039;s no direct experimental evidence in 50 years (maybe that should be 20), then DM &amp; DE is going to be properly viewed as a house of cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now I&#8217;ve been thinking about this.  Is it possible to draw any parallels with certain quantum phenomena?  I&#8217;m thinking about quarks in particular, which I&#8217;m given to understand have been inferred to exist via some pretty esoteric particle collider results.  In other words, they may not have been directly observed either.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my question.  What is the standard of evidence, before a hypothesis becomes a theory?  I mean, quarks are widely accepted to exist, right?  And yet, I am still skeptical of DM &amp; DE which is asserted to comprise the majority of everything, and yet is unobservable.</p>
<p>I assert that Occam&#8217;s razor points to simpler answers than inventing an unobservable &#8220;something&#8221; that we call &#8220;dark&#8221; because, quite honestly, science does not have a clue on the issue.  Science has experienced unexplained phenomena before, many times.  It&#8217;s more honest to say &#8220;we don&#8217;t know&#8221; than it is to say &#8220;Dark Matter.  Take it to the bank.  Dark Energy.  Count on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m willing to give the scientists some time.  They deserve that much.  However if there&#8217;s no direct experimental evidence in 50 years (maybe that should be 20), then DM &amp; DE is going to be properly viewed as a house of cards.</p>
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		<title>By: ChH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21487</link>
		<dc:creator>ChH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Too, I saw a snert once.  At least it looked like a snert. I&#039;ve also had gold coins disappear.

But I&#039;ve never seen dark matter or dark energy - apparently because it is unobservable by its nature.
Convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Too, I saw a snert once.  At least it looked like a snert. I&#8217;ve also had gold coins disappear.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve never seen dark matter or dark energy &#8211; apparently because it is unobservable by its nature.<br />
Convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21486</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4. ChH,

I tend to agree.  It takes chutzpa to claim that these things are experimentally proven.  They are merely asserted.

We&#039;re not the only one to be sceptical.  Lee Smolin has issues with the way that certain edgy hypotheses are regularly referred to as though they have entered the territory of widely accepted theories:

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/10-is-search-for-immutable-laws-of-nature-wild-goose-chase/?searchterm=lee%20smolin

Among these hypotheses that have precious little evidence to back them up:  Dark Matter, Dark Energy, String Theory.  What is worse is that, when pressed, nearly everyone agrees that not only are these not proven, they may not be provable at all, ever!

All you need to know about DM &amp; DE is contained in the phrase &quot;...this phenomenon that can’t be directly seen or measured&quot;.

I&#039;ve said it before.  If you believe in unobservable phenomena, then I have some unobservable Yetis, leprechauns, and snerts that you&#039;re gonna just love!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4. ChH,</p>
<p>I tend to agree.  It takes chutzpa to claim that these things are experimentally proven.  They are merely asserted.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not the only one to be sceptical.  Lee Smolin has issues with the way that certain edgy hypotheses are regularly referred to as though they have entered the territory of widely accepted theories:</p>
<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/10-is-search-for-immutable-laws-of-nature-wild-goose-chase/?searchterm=lee%20smolin" rel="nofollow">http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/10-is-search-for-immutable-laws-of-nature-wild-goose-chase/?searchterm=lee%20smolin</a></p>
<p>Among these hypotheses that have precious little evidence to back them up:  Dark Matter, Dark Energy, String Theory.  What is worse is that, when pressed, nearly everyone agrees that not only are these not proven, they may not be provable at all, ever!</p>
<p>All you need to know about DM &amp; DE is contained in the phrase &#8220;&#8230;this phenomenon that can’t be directly seen or measured&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it before.  If you believe in unobservable phenomena, then I have some unobservable Yetis, leprechauns, and snerts that you&#8217;re gonna just love!</p>
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		<title>By: ChH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21485</link>
		<dc:creator>ChH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... the fact that [dark energy] makes up most of the universe ...&quot;

The point of the article is that we now have a little more evidence in the existance of dark energy, yet it referred to as a fact?  How about &quot;other than that it theoretically makes up most of the universe...&quot;

It looks to me that dark matter &amp; energy are merely fudge factors to account for observation and theory not matching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; the fact that [dark energy] makes up most of the universe &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The point of the article is that we now have a little more evidence in the existance of dark energy, yet it referred to as a fact?  How about &#8220;other than that it theoretically makes up most of the universe&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It looks to me that dark matter &amp; energy are merely fudge factors to account for observation and theory not matching.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Feder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21484</link>
		<dc:creator>Anders Feder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gravitational lensing is a trick predicted by Einstein’s general relativity, and scientists have used it before to study dark matter (which tends to be a little easier to study than its &lt;B&gt;dark counterpart&lt;/B&gt;). &quot;

Do you mean &quot;energy counterpart&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gravitational lensing is a trick predicted by Einstein’s general relativity, and scientists have used it before to study dark matter (which tends to be a little easier to study than its <b>dark counterpart</b>). &#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean &#8220;energy counterpart&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21483</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that dark energy and dark matter would be the aftermath of the big bang when matter and anti-matter collided. As they canceled each other they left a footprint and the 4% of matter that was more matter than anti-matter is confirmed.  Maybe we should look at the universe as a bubble structure along the string where a matter anti-matter string touch.

Richard L Erickson, PhD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that dark energy and dark matter would be the aftermath of the big bang when matter and anti-matter collided. As they canceled each other they left a footprint and the 4% of matter that was more matter than anti-matter is confirmed.  Maybe we should look at the universe as a bubble structure along the string where a matter anti-matter string touch.</p>
<p>Richard L Erickson, PhD</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Edward Henry Dowdye, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/08/20/gravitational-lensing-brings-dark-energy-into-focus/#comment-21482</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Edward Henry Dowdye, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 05:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subject: Significant Findings: No direct interaction between light and
  gravity in empty vacuum space


Dear Fellow Researchers:


There&#039;s not a shred of evidence for a direct interaction between light and gravity in the empty vacuum space just above the plasma rim of the sun; a direct counter to the light bending theory of General Relativity


Recent findings in observational Astrophysics convincingly show that the important fundamentals of Mathematical Physics and astrophysical observations have been incorrectly applied to the so-called gravitational lenses. Since the discovery of solar light bending, researchers have always assumed that gravitational lenses are due to a direct interaction between light and gravity. Historically, astronomers have noted that light rays from stars that pass near the plasma rim of the sun appear to deviate from their linear trajectories. The astronomical observations reveal that the effects of the gravitational field of the sun on the rays of light from the stars have been due to an indirect interaction between light and gravity and not due to direct interaction. An application of Gauss&#039; law that encloses the gravitating mass of the sun inside of an analytical Gaussian sphere shows that a direct interaction between the gravitational field of the sun and the rays of light from the stars in empty vacuum space just slightly above the solar plasma rim does not take place. A recent press release: http://www.pr-inside.com/important-fundamentals-and-astrophysical-observati-r1382324.htm


Detailes: http://www.extinctionshift.com/SignificantFindings.htm


A paper on this subject has been published in the renown refereed journal Astronomische Nachrichten, &quot;Time resolved images from the center of the Galaxy appear to counter General Relativity&quot;, Dowdye, Jr., E.H.,  Astronomische Nachrichten,  328, Issue 2, 2007, pp 186 -191


Comments and Feedback are welcome.
gravityfindings@verizon.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subject: Significant Findings: No direct interaction between light and<br />
  gravity in empty vacuum space</p>
<p>Dear Fellow Researchers:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a shred of evidence for a direct interaction between light and gravity in the empty vacuum space just above the plasma rim of the sun; a direct counter to the light bending theory of General Relativity</p>
<p>Recent findings in observational Astrophysics convincingly show that the important fundamentals of Mathematical Physics and astrophysical observations have been incorrectly applied to the so-called gravitational lenses. Since the discovery of solar light bending, researchers have always assumed that gravitational lenses are due to a direct interaction between light and gravity. Historically, astronomers have noted that light rays from stars that pass near the plasma rim of the sun appear to deviate from their linear trajectories. The astronomical observations reveal that the effects of the gravitational field of the sun on the rays of light from the stars have been due to an indirect interaction between light and gravity and not due to direct interaction. An application of Gauss&#8217; law that encloses the gravitating mass of the sun inside of an analytical Gaussian sphere shows that a direct interaction between the gravitational field of the sun and the rays of light from the stars in empty vacuum space just slightly above the solar plasma rim does not take place. A recent press release: <a href="http://www.pr-inside.com/important-fundamentals-and-astrophysical-observati-r1382324.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pr-inside.com/important-fundamentals-and-astrophysical-observati-r1382324.htm</a></p>
<p>Detailes: <a href="http://www.extinctionshift.com/SignificantFindings.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.extinctionshift.com/SignificantFindings.htm</a></p>
<p>A paper on this subject has been published in the renown refereed journal Astronomische Nachrichten, &#8220;Time resolved images from the center of the Galaxy appear to counter General Relativity&#8221;, Dowdye, Jr., E.H.,  Astronomische Nachrichten,  328, Issue 2, 2007, pp 186 -191</p>
<p>Comments and Feedback are welcome.<br />
<a href="mailto:gravityfindings@verizon.net">gravityfindings@verizon.net</a></p>
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