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	<title>Comments on: Arctic Report Card: Warm Weather and Melted Ice Are the New Normal</title>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we need to place a wind farm in the Arctic that can power huge freezer machines that create glaciers and snow... to simulate the Artic climate... in return this could possibly save the Arctic species.. and will create a few jobs as well. May sound silly... but we waste time and money on less important things everyday. Like huge sport stadiums... individual space travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we need to place a wind farm in the Arctic that can power huge freezer machines that create glaciers and snow&#8230; to simulate the Artic climate&#8230; in return this could possibly save the Arctic species.. and will create a few jobs as well. May sound silly&#8230; but we waste time and money on less important things everyday. Like huge sport stadiums&#8230; individual space travel.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contributing, causing, yes or no, I still think we should be on top of the pollution thing and &quot;going green&quot; in all directions we can, and fast.  I am just as concerned about chemical pollutions (use and disposal) as I am fossil fuel use - pesticides, preservatives, in manufacturing, industry, etc.

Interesting to think about...if we were entering a new ice age and massive ice sheets were forming and creeping south with each winter would we be franctially trying to dump out pollutions to trap heat and keep the planet warm to sustain the life style we have evolved in and are comfortable in?  If Europe and nothern US were about to be buried in year round snow and ice...would we all be promoting a massive gas build up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contributing, causing, yes or no, I still think we should be on top of the pollution thing and &#8220;going green&#8221; in all directions we can, and fast.  I am just as concerned about chemical pollutions (use and disposal) as I am fossil fuel use &#8211; pesticides, preservatives, in manufacturing, industry, etc.</p>
<p>Interesting to think about&#8230;if we were entering a new ice age and massive ice sheets were forming and creeping south with each winter would we be franctially trying to dump out pollutions to trap heat and keep the planet warm to sustain the life style we have evolved in and are comfortable in?  If Europe and nothern US were about to be buried in year round snow and ice&#8230;would we all be promoting a massive gas build up?</p>
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		<title>By: Dante The Canadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante The Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it also be that the earth is in a natural warming period that, combined with the human effects on the environment, have affected the climate in the arctic as a whole?  the earth is shown to have warming and cooling trends over and over again.  Over hundreds and thousands of years the earths climate changes back and forth.   This could be another one of those changes.   What about the unusual inactivity of the sun lately?  Is that because of us too?  Could that also be having an effect on temperatures?

I find that people tend to look at situations as absolutes when in actuality there is more than one explanation for an event.  Man as fault for some of what is happening in the world regarding climate, but man is NOT the only culprit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it also be that the earth is in a natural warming period that, combined with the human effects on the environment, have affected the climate in the arctic as a whole?  the earth is shown to have warming and cooling trends over and over again.  Over hundreds and thousands of years the earths climate changes back and forth.   This could be another one of those changes.   What about the unusual inactivity of the sun lately?  Is that because of us too?  Could that also be having an effect on temperatures?</p>
<p>I find that people tend to look at situations as absolutes when in actuality there is more than one explanation for an event.  Man as fault for some of what is happening in the world regarding climate, but man is NOT the only culprit.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/10/22/arctic-report-card-warm-weather-and-melted-ice-are-the-new-normal/comment-page-1/#comment-373772</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem with the world is over-population. It is not politically correct, but during the sixties it was the main concern of the world. The earth was never meant to be populated by over six billion people, hence the starvation, the wasted resources and over-fishing of our oceans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem with the world is over-population. It is not politically correct, but during the sixties it was the main concern of the world. The earth was never meant to be populated by over six billion people, hence the starvation, the wasted resources and over-fishing of our oceans.</p>
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		<title>By: Meme Mine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meme Mine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boycott any MAINSCREAM media that still spreads the CO2  &quot;unstoppable warming-IPCC&quot;  mistake and fear mongering. It&#039;s criminal to frighten children like this any longer. The 24 years of failed warnings, doubts and Disco Science and fear mongering and needless panic and expense have caught up with the criminal media, scientists, environMENTALists and unfortunately, us progressives.
Climate change was to science and media what abusive priests are to religion.
WARNING: If you are still believing voters will vote yes for taxes to make the weather colder, YOU are the new denier.
Birth Control, not Climate Control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boycott any MAINSCREAM media that still spreads the CO2  &#8220;unstoppable warming-IPCC&#8221;  mistake and fear mongering. It&#8217;s criminal to frighten children like this any longer. The 24 years of failed warnings, doubts and Disco Science and fear mongering and needless panic and expense have caught up with the criminal media, scientists, environMENTALists and unfortunately, us progressives.<br />
Climate change was to science and media what abusive priests are to religion.<br />
WARNING: If you are still believing voters will vote yes for taxes to make the weather colder, YOU are the new denier.<br />
Birth Control, not Climate Control.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 01:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in an area that use to be covered by a glacier. How did man melt that again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in an area that use to be covered by a glacier. How did man melt that again?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/10/22/arctic-report-card-warm-weather-and-melted-ice-are-the-new-normal/comment-page-1/#comment-367602</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate Change, not anthropogenic. Destroying the earth in myriad other ways, certainly anthropogenic, focus on the issues we can effect, not solar cycles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate Change, not anthropogenic. Destroying the earth in myriad other ways, certainly anthropogenic, focus on the issues we can effect, not solar cycles.</p>
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		<title>By: ChH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/10/22/arctic-report-card-warm-weather-and-melted-ice-are-the-new-normal/comment-page-1/#comment-367599</link>
		<dc:creator>ChH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So - say we cut our global CO2 emissions to 1/4 what they are now.  Does that change what the new normal is, and if so, how long would it take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8211; say we cut our global CO2 emissions to 1/4 what they are now.  Does that change what the new normal is, and if so, how long would it take?</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s human nature to not change until forced to - on many fronts.  Cities don&#039;t trap and treat sewage until it affects their economy and the stench and illnesses gets so bad the public demands it...until the public, as a whole demands and forces changes in industry and habbits we will march on our current path.  Same with chemical dumping/pollution....nobody pays attention until a large group of babies are born deformed, or a large group of people get sick....or people finally notice 1/2 their mountains tops are gone and most streams polluted from mining and all of a sudden get angry and demand change.

Humans are very stubborn that way, only demaning change when something really scary happens that has or might affect them or loved ones.

Select groups of people scattered about driving a Prius, recycling and eating organic and sending money to save polar bears will not help too much.  We need a massive, society based shift that demands change and right now we have at least 50% who could care a less, are ignorant/fearful about science or don&#039;t believe anything on the pollution front.

Saldy, I dont see it happening until things get really bad or bizarre (and who knows, things may not?).  I wish it were different,  I would love to see cruise ships using giant sales, airships with solar crossing the Atlantic, cysterns for water and solar panels with every new home built...but this will take massive public demand...and with half the people salivating over Palin and Rush style politics, and material hungry billions in India and China, I dont see it happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s human nature to not change until forced to &#8211; on many fronts.  Cities don&#8217;t trap and treat sewage until it affects their economy and the stench and illnesses gets so bad the public demands it&#8230;until the public, as a whole demands and forces changes in industry and habbits we will march on our current path.  Same with chemical dumping/pollution&#8230;.nobody pays attention until a large group of babies are born deformed, or a large group of people get sick&#8230;.or people finally notice 1/2 their mountains tops are gone and most streams polluted from mining and all of a sudden get angry and demand change.</p>
<p>Humans are very stubborn that way, only demaning change when something really scary happens that has or might affect them or loved ones.</p>
<p>Select groups of people scattered about driving a Prius, recycling and eating organic and sending money to save polar bears will not help too much.  We need a massive, society based shift that demands change and right now we have at least 50% who could care a less, are ignorant/fearful about science or don&#8217;t believe anything on the pollution front.</p>
<p>Saldy, I dont see it happening until things get really bad or bizarre (and who knows, things may not?).  I wish it were different,  I would love to see cruise ships using giant sales, airships with solar crossing the Atlantic, cysterns for water and solar panels with every new home built&#8230;but this will take massive public demand&#8230;and with half the people salivating over Palin and Rush style politics, and material hungry billions in India and China, I dont see it happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;New Normal&#039; 

what happens when the summer melt has zero ice?

Where does that sunlight go&quot; Into the dark ocean- and then what?

Ask Rush Limbaugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;New Normal&#8217; </p>
<p>what happens when the summer melt has zero ice?</p>
<p>Where does that sunlight go&#8221; Into the dark ocean- and then what?</p>
<p>Ask Rush Limbaugh.</p>
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