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		<title>By: Jesusita Caricofe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesusita Caricofe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eliza Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Steve Case, Lorne50, Bob White:

The scientific consensus is strong and clear: heat-trapping gases emitted by humans since the industrial revolution are warming the planet. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a good report&lt;/a&gt; on the state of climate science, produced by more than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries.

Here&#039;s a striking &lt;a href=&quot;http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;global temperature graph&lt;/a&gt; from NASA.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/22/1003187107.abstract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a study (available for free download)&lt;/a&gt; on the credibility of climate scientists on both sides of the &quot;debate&quot; over man-made global warming. It found that 97–98% of the most active and respected researchers in the field agree that human activities are warming our planet; it also found that &quot;the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC [anthropogenic climate change] are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.&quot;

-- Eliza, DISCOVER online news editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Steve Case, Lorne50, Bob White:</p>
<p>The scientific consensus is strong and clear: heat-trapping gases emitted by humans since the industrial revolution are warming the planet. <a href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a good report</a> on the state of climate science, produced by more than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a striking <a href="http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/" rel="nofollow">global temperature graph</a> from NASA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/22/1003187107.abstract" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a study (available for free download)</a> on the credibility of climate scientists on both sides of the &#8220;debate&#8221; over man-made global warming. It found that 97–98% of the most active and respected researchers in the field agree that human activities are warming our planet; it also found that &#8220;the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC [anthropogenic climate change] are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; Eliza, DISCOVER online news editor</p>
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		<title>By: Bob White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 06:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dropped the link for the polar bear research. It is at
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=D6C6D346-802A-23AD-436F-40EB31233026</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dropped the link for the polar bear research. It is at<br />
<a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&#038;ContentRecord_id=D6C6D346-802A-23AD-436F-40EB31233026" rel="nofollow">http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&#038;ContentRecord_id=D6C6D346-802A-23AD-436F-40EB31233026</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan Brown: What is your point? Are you showing that it is easy to contradict and not substantiate.

The U.S. Fish &amp; Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s.  A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain noted that the polar bear populations “may now be near historic highs.”  The alarm about the future of polar bear decline is based on speculative computer model predictions many decades in the future.

Of the 13 populations of polar bears in Canada, 11 are stable or increasing in number. They are not going extinct, or even appear to be affected at present,

&quot;In 1903, Amundsen led the first expedition to successfully traverse Canada&#039;s Northwest Passage between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Amundsen

Between 1940 and 1942 St. Roch navigated the Northwest Passage, arriving in Halifax harbor on October 11, 1942.
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/stroch.htm

For a history of the &quot;first times&quot; that the northwest passage has been open try here.
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/09/bad-reporting-about-northwest-passage.html

Note that it has been a headline story for the BBC several times.

Time magazine reprises a 1937 report of another example.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,770864-1,00.html

1950’S ARCTIC SUBMARINE PICTURES
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/

In the last 130 years there have warming and cooling phases lasting about 30 years with attendant scare mongering in the popular press.
http://www.chinatownconnection.com/global-warming-cooling.htm

The earth has been much warmer 1, 2, 3 5 and 7 thousand years ago.
http://humanbeingsfirst.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/cliffharris-randymann-chart-gtemps-2500bc-2040ad-longrangeweather-com.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan Brown: What is your point? Are you showing that it is easy to contradict and not substantiate.</p>
<p>The U.S. Fish &amp; Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s.  A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain noted that the polar bear populations “may now be near historic highs.”  The alarm about the future of polar bear decline is based on speculative computer model predictions many decades in the future.</p>
<p>Of the 13 populations of polar bears in Canada, 11 are stable or increasing in number. They are not going extinct, or even appear to be affected at present,</p>
<p>&#8220;In 1903, Amundsen led the first expedition to successfully traverse Canada&#8217;s Northwest Passage between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Amundsen" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Amundsen</a></p>
<p>Between 1940 and 1942 St. Roch navigated the Northwest Passage, arriving in Halifax harbor on October 11, 1942.<br />
<a href="http://www.hnsa.org/ships/stroch.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hnsa.org/ships/stroch.htm</a></p>
<p>For a history of the &#8220;first times&#8221; that the northwest passage has been open try here.<br />
<a href="http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/09/bad-reporting-about-northwest-passage.html" rel="nofollow">http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/09/bad-reporting-about-northwest-passage.html</a></p>
<p>Note that it has been a headline story for the BBC several times.</p>
<p>Time magazine reprises a 1937 report of another example.<br />
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,770864-1,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,770864-1,00.html</a></p>
<p>1950’S ARCTIC SUBMARINE PICTURES<br />
<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/</a></p>
<p>In the last 130 years there have warming and cooling phases lasting about 30 years with attendant scare mongering in the popular press.<br />
<a href="http://www.chinatownconnection.com/global-warming-cooling.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinatownconnection.com/global-warming-cooling.htm</a></p>
<p>The earth has been much warmer 1, 2, 3 5 and 7 thousand years ago.<br />
<a href="http://humanbeingsfirst.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/cliffharris-randymann-chart-gtemps-2500bc-2040ad-longrangeweather-com.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://humanbeingsfirst.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/cliffharris-randymann-chart-gtemps-2500bc-2040ad-longrangeweather-com.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The readers of this blog may be interested to know that there is a controversy surrounding the polar bear numbers.  Sadly the dividing line is cultural.

According to official Government of Canada surveys polar bear numbers are falling.  As a result hunting restrictions have been put in place.

According the the local Inuit people, polar bear numbers are rising.  They are unhappy about the hunting quotas.  A fair number of Inuit still hunt and make a living from the land this way so it&#039;s a big issue.

Although lifestyles in the North are changing the elders tend to think their lifestyle is under attack.  In my opinion though, they are making a linkage between new lifestyles that are less healthy (mostly true) with the idea that the old lifestyles are their salvation (mostly not true).

One thing has occurred to me.  Perhaps the large numbers of bears the Inuit are seeing are a result of sea ice coverage problems.  Shorter ice seasons, poor quality ice, and less multi-year ice can result in the bears loitering on shore for a lot longer.  The bears want to get out on the ice so they can hunt seals.  However they depend upon the ice to provide a solid surface to walk upon the oceans.  Polar bears are really good swimmers but they are not whales.  They cannot hunt or sleep in the water.

Therefore shortened ice seasons, which we know are happening, can concentrate the bears at the water&#039;s edge for a lot longer.  This might cause there to seem to be more bears than average when in fact there are less.

Just a pet theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The readers of this blog may be interested to know that there is a controversy surrounding the polar bear numbers.  Sadly the dividing line is cultural.</p>
<p>According to official Government of Canada surveys polar bear numbers are falling.  As a result hunting restrictions have been put in place.</p>
<p>According the the local Inuit people, polar bear numbers are rising.  They are unhappy about the hunting quotas.  A fair number of Inuit still hunt and make a living from the land this way so it&#8217;s a big issue.</p>
<p>Although lifestyles in the North are changing the elders tend to think their lifestyle is under attack.  In my opinion though, they are making a linkage between new lifestyles that are less healthy (mostly true) with the idea that the old lifestyles are their salvation (mostly not true).</p>
<p>One thing has occurred to me.  Perhaps the large numbers of bears the Inuit are seeing are a result of sea ice coverage problems.  Shorter ice seasons, poor quality ice, and less multi-year ice can result in the bears loitering on shore for a lot longer.  The bears want to get out on the ice so they can hunt seals.  However they depend upon the ice to provide a solid surface to walk upon the oceans.  Polar bears are really good swimmers but they are not whales.  They cannot hunt or sleep in the water.</p>
<p>Therefore shortened ice seasons, which we know are happening, can concentrate the bears at the water&#8217;s edge for a lot longer.  This might cause there to seem to be more bears than average when in fact there are less.</p>
<p>Just a pet theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Inuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment Nick, everyone is so bought by the fossil fuel industry that environmentally friendly vehicles have been put on the backburner for years while the world comsumes more and more fossil fuels and pollute the air we breathe. It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s carbon dioxide that is warming the ice caps, but look at the smog surrounding big cities, surely it has some kind of impact on the environment as it does in the lungs of the people who live in those cities.
I see with my own eyes that the north is warming, it may have the opposite effect in more populated &#039;southern&#039; areas, but the north has been losing glaciers and the winter sea ice is not as predictable as it once was, making it more dangerous for inuit to continue their traditional hunting lifestyle. I don&#039;t pay much attention to the weather in other parts of the world, but I know what I see with my own eyes. Yes the earth was warmer 1000, 2000, 4000 and 8000 years ago but was the world subjected to the kind of pollution that humans create today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment Nick, everyone is so bought by the fossil fuel industry that environmentally friendly vehicles have been put on the backburner for years while the world comsumes more and more fossil fuels and pollute the air we breathe. It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s carbon dioxide that is warming the ice caps, but look at the smog surrounding big cities, surely it has some kind of impact on the environment as it does in the lungs of the people who live in those cities.<br />
I see with my own eyes that the north is warming, it may have the opposite effect in more populated &#8216;southern&#8217; areas, but the north has been losing glaciers and the winter sea ice is not as predictable as it once was, making it more dangerous for inuit to continue their traditional hunting lifestyle. I don&#8217;t pay much attention to the weather in other parts of the world, but I know what I see with my own eyes. Yes the earth was warmer 1000, 2000, 4000 and 8000 years ago but was the world subjected to the kind of pollution that humans create today?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bob:  Where do I start?
Polar bear numbers started  growing in my lifetime,  after  (and therefore as a result of?) a ban on hunting them!
The so-called NW passage was a mythical (until now) passage that European explorers  in the 1600s and 1700s were seeking, because of the shortcut it would provide to SE Asia where spices and other things were found.
Your confidence in  your claims about past and future temperatures offers the chance to make big money, by simply buying coal or oil  futures (i.e. calls) if you want to put your money where your mouth is.  That is, under the assumption that fossil fuels will be used into the future.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bob:  Where do I start?<br />
Polar bear numbers started  growing in my lifetime,  after  (and therefore as a result of?) a ban on hunting them!<br />
The so-called NW passage was a mythical (until now) passage that European explorers  in the 1600s and 1700s were seeking, because of the shortcut it would provide to SE Asia where spices and other things were found.<br />
Your confidence in  your claims about past and future temperatures offers the chance to make big money, by simply buying coal or oil  futures (i.e. calls) if you want to put your money where your mouth is.  That is, under the assumption that fossil fuels will be used into the future.   </p>
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		<title>By: Bigby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Bob.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 25 years Discover Magazine has catered to the far left pseudo science propaganda seekers and has avoided any pretense of presenting scientific truth. It appears that this article was merely created as a space filler to attract leftist, somnambulistic readers.

The writer refuses to admit the following scientific facts.
Polar bear population has increased 5 fold in 50 years.
Polar bears have been around for at least 100,000 years including millenniums when the earth was much warmer than today.
The earth was much warmer than today 1,000, 2,000, 4,000 and 8,000 years ago.
The Northwest Passage has opened up several times in the last 100 years.
The earth has been cooling for 12 years and will cool for another 20 years before warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 25 years Discover Magazine has catered to the far left pseudo science propaganda seekers and has avoided any pretense of presenting scientific truth. It appears that this article was merely created as a space filler to attract leftist, somnambulistic readers.</p>
<p>The writer refuses to admit the following scientific facts.<br />
Polar bear population has increased 5 fold in 50 years.<br />
Polar bears have been around for at least 100,000 years including millenniums when the earth was much warmer than today.<br />
The earth was much warmer than today 1,000, 2,000, 4,000 and 8,000 years ago.<br />
The Northwest Passage has opened up several times in the last 100 years.<br />
The earth has been cooling for 12 years and will cool for another 20 years before warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorne50</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorne50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show me the proof that carbon dioxide is melting the ice cap in the artic show me the paper that says that come on is this discover mag or the wwf web site i&#039;ve got too it&#039;s hard to tell!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show me the proof that carbon dioxide is melting the ice cap in the artic show me the paper that says that come on is this discover mag or the wwf web site i&#8217;ve got too it&#8217;s hard to tell!!!</p>
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