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	<title>Comments on: Internet Intrigue: China Reroutes the Web, Stuxnet Is Even Scarier</title>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe China is heading us towards its own agenda, such that war has been declared already. I cant be the first to see ahead 30-80 years and see where the world is going?

Unfortunately WMD&#039;s have eliminated normal warfare and eventually all nations will have nuclear deterrants...then what...no more war apparently.

What is left...Economic war  (, cyber war, ownership war, duty wars,  ... )  and im in no doubt the world is currently in a third world war with China.

When will the rest of the world wake up to realise this third world war is NOT being fought with weapons on a plain somewhere.

The war will continue. China will no doubt do the following..or continue to do so unchecked.

1. Amass a considerable amount of ownership in all companies and technologies in the west in strategic locations so that intelligence can be gathered easily.
2. Own as much of the worlds currency as it can.
3. Place all countries into significant debt such that they spend a considerable amount paying it off per year and cannot produce a surplus.
4. Will expand its borders by taking neighbours at convienent times either directly or by suffocation or through increasingly rising chinese indigenous populations.
5. Will commence a massive propoganda regime to destabilise the middle east so that west countries with heavy investments in it will fall foul of 4.
6. Launch extensive cyber terroism in conjunction with Russia against the rest of the world. (Im assuming) Stuxnet is the first such destabilising software released providing 5. and getting in the back doors with 1.
7. Try to make processes as drawn out and cost ineffective in any and all political circles such that items are bogged down for the hell of it to strangle political endevours in anything.
8. Present a healthy cheap labour force (with little or no regulations) that will build such that the west loses all technical knowledge over time in significant areas and as many areas as possible.


Still I could be wrong..but then again what if im not what would the world be like in 30 years? When China owns major shareholdings of all major companies in all the countries is the only super power, makes 90% of all the worlds products and decides in 20 years to expand a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe China is heading us towards its own agenda, such that war has been declared already. I cant be the first to see ahead 30-80 years and see where the world is going?</p>
<p>Unfortunately WMD&#8217;s have eliminated normal warfare and eventually all nations will have nuclear deterrants&#8230;then what&#8230;no more war apparently.</p>
<p>What is left&#8230;Economic war  (, cyber war, ownership war, duty wars,  &#8230; )  and im in no doubt the world is currently in a third world war with China.</p>
<p>When will the rest of the world wake up to realise this third world war is NOT being fought with weapons on a plain somewhere.</p>
<p>The war will continue. China will no doubt do the following..or continue to do so unchecked.</p>
<p>1. Amass a considerable amount of ownership in all companies and technologies in the west in strategic locations so that intelligence can be gathered easily.<br />
2. Own as much of the worlds currency as it can.<br />
3. Place all countries into significant debt such that they spend a considerable amount paying it off per year and cannot produce a surplus.<br />
4. Will expand its borders by taking neighbours at convienent times either directly or by suffocation or through increasingly rising chinese indigenous populations.<br />
5. Will commence a massive propoganda regime to destabilise the middle east so that west countries with heavy investments in it will fall foul of 4.<br />
6. Launch extensive cyber terroism in conjunction with Russia against the rest of the world. (Im assuming) Stuxnet is the first such destabilising software released providing 5. and getting in the back doors with 1.<br />
7. Try to make processes as drawn out and cost ineffective in any and all political circles such that items are bogged down for the hell of it to strangle political endevours in anything.<br />
8. Present a healthy cheap labour force (with little or no regulations) that will build such that the west loses all technical knowledge over time in significant areas and as many areas as possible.</p>
<p>Still I could be wrong..but then again what if im not what would the world be like in 30 years? When China owns major shareholdings of all major companies in all the countries is the only super power, makes 90% of all the worlds products and decides in 20 years to expand a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Und3rcult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Und3rcult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China reroutes the traffic for 18 minutes, downloads all the traffic data of American military and government and is now working hard to decipher the lot...dangerous games, what other  countries will follow in the footsteps of China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China reroutes the traffic for 18 minutes, downloads all the traffic data of American military and government and is now working hard to decipher the lot&#8230;dangerous games, what other  countries will follow in the footsteps of China?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://guiltygovernment.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/political-implications-of-the-stuxnet-worm/#comment-208

I wrote about this a couple of months ago.  It has some scary political implications...

GG</description>
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<p>I wrote about this a couple of months ago.  It has some scary political implications&#8230;</p>
<p>GG</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say it&#039;s probably scarier if A) accidental - accidentally re-routing all of America&#039;s net traffic through another country? Our systems suck that much? wow. B) non-governmental. I could understand a government having enough money to pull off these hijinks, but if they&#039;re not, they&#039;re going to be disrupting governments in the future if we don&#039;t figure out ways to protect our infrastructure. It&#039;s bad enough our governments are trying to disrupt one another, but when any random jackass has the power to do so.... 

And of course China is dangerous. So are we and many of the other first world nations. The only question is why we do or do not cooperate with others. As we&#039;ve been seeking to keep their nation disempowered so as to keep our goods cheap, they may well be dangerous to us in the future. But I doubt overtly so. They will find much more satisfaction beating us at our own game. Keep in mind they own a good 10 to 15 percent of our national debt and quite a large percentage of our import dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s probably scarier if A) accidental &#8211; accidentally re-routing all of America&#8217;s net traffic through another country? Our systems suck that much? wow. B) non-governmental. I could understand a government having enough money to pull off these hijinks, but if they&#8217;re not, they&#8217;re going to be disrupting governments in the future if we don&#8217;t figure out ways to protect our infrastructure. It&#8217;s bad enough our governments are trying to disrupt one another, but when any random jackass has the power to do so&#8230;. </p>
<p>And of course China is dangerous. So are we and many of the other first world nations. The only question is why we do or do not cooperate with others. As we&#8217;ve been seeking to keep their nation disempowered so as to keep our goods cheap, they may well be dangerous to us in the future. But I doubt overtly so. They will find much more satisfaction beating us at our own game. Keep in mind they own a good 10 to 15 percent of our national debt and quite a large percentage of our import dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is dangerous.</p>
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