There are several arguments for and against Anthro Climate Change and some of these may be correct (poorly sited weather data collectors, for example). On the other hand, there is an unarguable fact that CO2 is increasing and that we may damage our planet’s ability to provide the ecological services that we depend on.

On the other hand, it may be that saving energy and reducing carbon use can be cheaper and produce more jobs than the current capital and energy intensive economy we now have. It may be that wise use of our resources would make this whole trade-off idea look silly. (You mean we need to choose between using more energy and possibly poisoning the world or having more jobs and better lives? Gee, how to choose..)

Then again, it really is complex. We are actually going to need to use our intelligence and wisdom to get through this. And the whole consumer culture, the corporations that are making money from it, their shills (US Chamber of Commerce, anyone?), and the groups that live off of telling us the world is ending (NRA, Sierra Club, etc) will give misleading or false information to make it even harder to make wise decisions.

P.S. All sorts of crazy up in here. The way i see it… ‘global warming’ is natural, assuming of course, that humans are a natural occurance on this planet. However, that isn’t necessarily true.

It truly breaks your heart. After all the advances we have made in our understanding of the universe around us, a large portion of the population are, and to quote a witty post above, “flat earthers”.

Ben – too funny!!

With profound condolences, “A powerful earthquake struck a sparsely populated district of southeastern Iran, killing at least 11 people, injuring at least 40 and damaging 1,800 homes … downed phone lines and landslides … Almost exactly seven years ago in the same region, a catastrophic 6.6 earthquake struck the nearby city of Bam, killing more than 25,000 people and destroying … one of Iran’s most treasured archaeological sites” (“6.5 earthquake kills at least 11 in Iran”; By Borzou Daragahi, Los Angeles Times; latimes.com, 12/21/10). The killer 6.5 is within both the 7+ in the 2-week model and the 6+ in the 3rd week of the 39th Persian – Band Aceh – Bhamo Model (12/5 – 11/10). “A). … 1). With apologies and condolences, extinction events may start to unfold from earthquakes in Central and Northeast Asia due to the free global warming dumping by the legal international terrorists aka extremist Republicans and Christians. … from the EssoKochs and their willing accomplices with hundreds about to be killed/injured. … B). … the Giulaino – Gansu Model … of extreme earthquake warnings among tectonic energy lines with individual predictions for regions (magnitude in Richters) are: … Iran (7+)” (“GBRWE 12/12 – 18/10”s Extreme Planetary Warnings for Earthquakes, Volcanoes, and Solar/Terrestrial Flares from Human Activities”; Robert Rhodes, Supplemental; GBRWE 12/12 – 18/10, 12/11/10). “A). … 1). With apologies and condolences, extinction events may start to unfold from earthquakes to solar flares due to the free global warming dumping by the legal international terrorists aka extremist Republicans and Christians. … from the EssoKochs and their willing accomplices with hundreds about to be killed/injured. … this is the 1st week of 5 for all listed under the 39th Persian – Band Aceh – Bhamo Model (12/5 – 11/10) … B). … the specifics of the Giulaino – Gansu Model (11/28 – 12/4/10) … with individual predictions for regions (magnitude in Richters) are: … the 39th Persian – Band Aceh – Bhamo Model (12/5 – 11/10): … Iran (6+)” (“GBRWE 12/5 – 11/10”s Extreme Planetary Warnings for Earthquakes, Volcanoes, and Solar/Terrestrial Flares from Human Activities”; Robert Rhodes, Supplemental; GBRWE 12/5 – 11/10, 12/4/10).

To be fair an balanced, the following have yet to predict what type of non-human meat will grace their next free esso-lunch as any proof of any expertise and failing to put “Christ” back in Christmas: Meme Mine, nick, Biblical Profit, and Dr. Tom auditioning to be paypals like “‘… promoting ‘inaction’—‘Skeptics will proudly celebrate … Climate Depot takes full responsibility for the fate of your children and grandchildren from any future man-made climate catastrophe” (“Australian PM warns skeptics ‘are too ‘dangerous to ignore’ and are ‘holding the world to ransom’”, By Marc ‘Eskimo cyst’ Morano, Climate Depot Editorial”; editorial abuse by Joseph D’Aleo; icecap.us, 11/6/09). And, “World English Dictionary … anthropogenic  … created by people or caused by human activity: anthropogenic pollution” (dictionary.reference.com).

Dear Meme, “environMENTALism,” is a turn-off to your argument. Also Greenzis, equating the green movement with folks who brought about the deaths of 6 million people, brings you into Godwinian territory.

You do make some good points though, about doubt, questioning and challenging authority. And especially about arguing these points to death instead of actually doing something.

We’ll naturally back off the CO2. It will happen because of Peak Oil. We’ll run out of CO2 to pump into the atmosphere. It’s not something I’m worried about. Every time some paradigm fails, a new, unexpected one rises to take its place. Like the advent of oil in the first place.

I believe that this global warming phenomenon is natural. Just as everything man does is natural, because you can’t escape the system. We have an overpopulation problem and a resource usage problem, and that problem is slowly correcting itself through natural processes. Plan accordingly or you will be left by the wayside like 99% of the rest of evolution’s products. :)

Still not convinced? Consider this. If you still think promising to lower the seas with taxes is sustainable for another 24 years with we the voters, YOU are the new denier.
This was OUR Iraq War and climate change has done to science, politicians and journalists, what nasty priests did to religion.
Let’s be real Liberals again. Liberals who doubt, question and challenge authority. Not obedient Greenzis who act more like environmental neocons of fear mongering instead of being lovers of the planet.
Get ahead of the curve everyone. If we don’t back off of the CO2 mistake soon, we could be out of power for a decade.
Oh, and I’d say stop scaring my kids but even they are laughing now. The next generation won’t be so kind to the groundless and irresponsible CO2 death threats.