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	<title>Comments on: When Rome Was Falling, Europe&#8217;s Climate Was Changing</title>
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		<title>By: custom wheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>custom wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 06:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will right away grab your rss as I can not in finding your e-mail subscription hyperlink or e-newsletter service. Do you&#039;ve any? Kindly allow me know so that I may just subscribe. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: badnicolez</title>
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		<dc:creator>badnicolez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scott (#5) - I think you mean Caracas, not Rio.  Rio is in Brazil, not Venezuela.

Also, if you don&#039;t like the &quot;Corporate Communism&quot; here in the US, you should join the Tea Party and become a Libertarian.  If Corporate Communism is bad, the real thing is so much worse for everyone.  If those living in the slums supported free market reforms instead of a nasty dictator, their lives would be much improved.  What exactly has Chavez done for the poor in Venezuela, besides causing food and power shortages?

Since we can&#039;t possibly predict when the next major eruption will occur, how can we even remotely make a case for attempting to cool the earth on a global scale?  Until the scientists can promise no major volcanic events on even a short-term scale, it would be ridiculous and dangerous in the extreme to even attempt to influence the global temperture any more than we already are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@scott (#5) &#8211; I think you mean Caracas, not Rio.  Rio is in Brazil, not Venezuela.</p>
<p>Also, if you don&#8217;t like the &#8220;Corporate Communism&#8221; here in the US, you should join the Tea Party and become a Libertarian.  If Corporate Communism is bad, the real thing is so much worse for everyone.  If those living in the slums supported free market reforms instead of a nasty dictator, their lives would be much improved.  What exactly has Chavez done for the poor in Venezuela, besides causing food and power shortages?</p>
<p>Since we can&#8217;t possibly predict when the next major eruption will occur, how can we even remotely make a case for attempting to cool the earth on a global scale?  Until the scientists can promise no major volcanic events on even a short-term scale, it would be ridiculous and dangerous in the extreme to even attempt to influence the global temperture any more than we already are.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beleive this Blog only validates what is already known.  That volcanic activity contributed greatly to the changing climate in Europe near the end of the Romans.   

Reaching back into memory here, Discover already had a similar article on this....I think it was the volcano in Iceland.   Combined with an earlier eruption in the South Pacific a year earlier.  It was a whole cycle of eruptions in a short period of time.

As I said, I only vaguely remember it.   But the findings in the wood samples used, seem to validate that there was a big shift in Europe&#039;s climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beleive this Blog only validates what is already known.  That volcanic activity contributed greatly to the changing climate in Europe near the end of the Romans.   </p>
<p>Reaching back into memory here, Discover already had a similar article on this&#8230;.I think it was the volcano in Iceland.   Combined with an earlier eruption in the South Pacific a year earlier.  It was a whole cycle of eruptions in a short period of time.</p>
<p>As I said, I only vaguely remember it.   But the findings in the wood samples used, seem to validate that there was a big shift in Europe&#8217;s climate.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of climate, towards the end of the roman rule Europe was stripped...its forests exhausted, rivers polluted, seaports polluted and over fished, much like we see today.  It was their power and economic collapse (under a wide variety or pressures) that allowed the environment to eventually correct itself (in terms of forest regeration, etc).  

Kevin - you have been watching too much FOX NEWS.  And do we not have a form of &quot;corporate communism here in the US?&quot; - many developed areas now have the same, corporate run and owned planned developments - strip centers with the same stores, surrounded by the same house, repeated over and over.  People have this idea of choice and freedom, but when they go to shop and eat, they actually are very limited in their choice, all of which are given to them by a mega corporation that runs and owns all the businesses.  I was just in some areas in Texas, where everyone works and shops and eats at the same places (Wal-Mart, Target, Apples bees, etc).  There are no family owned business anymore.  Many of them dont have health care (and wow, fight hard to NOT have it in the name of freedom - in the name of keep the money in the Wal-Mart family).  We have now, a class of ill educated worker bees who cant see past a news report on FOX.

Also...one must look at socialism and why people support it.  I prefer capitalism, but..It can depend on your state of being.  If you live in Venezuela and are rich and live in a luxury high rise and have a weekend house on Aruba, you hate Chavez and hate socialism and taxes.  If you live in a slum, with no prospects, no running water, no schools and no services, I bet you would be voting for Chavez who would tax the rich and bring you some of those services...So, before you or anyone pop off against anything or any system, you should first entertain the ideas of how people live and why they support certain systems.  If you happened to find yourself in a slum in Rio, living in hot tin shack with no water, trying to survive what system would you choose, if one was offered to you that would bring you some services (but at the expense of taxing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of climate, towards the end of the roman rule Europe was stripped&#8230;its forests exhausted, rivers polluted, seaports polluted and over fished, much like we see today.  It was their power and economic collapse (under a wide variety or pressures) that allowed the environment to eventually correct itself (in terms of forest regeration, etc).  </p>
<p>Kevin &#8211; you have been watching too much FOX NEWS.  And do we not have a form of &#8220;corporate communism here in the US?&#8221; &#8211; many developed areas now have the same, corporate run and owned planned developments &#8211; strip centers with the same stores, surrounded by the same house, repeated over and over.  People have this idea of choice and freedom, but when they go to shop and eat, they actually are very limited in their choice, all of which are given to them by a mega corporation that runs and owns all the businesses.  I was just in some areas in Texas, where everyone works and shops and eats at the same places (Wal-Mart, Target, Apples bees, etc).  There are no family owned business anymore.  Many of them dont have health care (and wow, fight hard to NOT have it in the name of freedom &#8211; in the name of keep the money in the Wal-Mart family).  We have now, a class of ill educated worker bees who cant see past a news report on FOX.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;one must look at socialism and why people support it.  I prefer capitalism, but..It can depend on your state of being.  If you live in Venezuela and are rich and live in a luxury high rise and have a weekend house on Aruba, you hate Chavez and hate socialism and taxes.  If you live in a slum, with no prospects, no running water, no schools and no services, I bet you would be voting for Chavez who would tax the rich and bring you some of those services&#8230;So, before you or anyone pop off against anything or any system, you should first entertain the ideas of how people live and why they support certain systems.  If you happened to find yourself in a slum in Rio, living in hot tin shack with no water, trying to survive what system would you choose, if one was offered to you that would bring you some services (but at the expense of taxing).</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right DG, who would have guessed that a popular science site would post articles that lead to discussion and debate. You probably complain that scholarly journals are too technical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right DG, who would have guessed that a popular science site would post articles that lead to discussion and debate. You probably complain that scholarly journals are too technical.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Gooden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Gooden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is conjectural at best and not worth anyone&#039;s time. Some of the blogs on this site have no real love of anything but suppositions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is conjectural at best and not worth anyone&#8217;s time. Some of the blogs on this site have no real love of anything but suppositions.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lerch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lerch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope KJ. It has nothing to do with socialists.   It&#039;s that a LITTLE Global Cooling is Good or at least neutral and a LITTLE Global Warming is Good or neutral.  A little more of either is bad.     And it&#039;s bad because there are a lot of positive feedback loops in any complex system with the result that one reaches a tipping point where a little more or either equals a LOT of either.  Also abnormal causes of either are bad because we have less history to guide us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope KJ. It has nothing to do with socialists.   It&#8217;s that a LITTLE Global Cooling is Good or at least neutral and a LITTLE Global Warming is Good or neutral.  A little more of either is bad.     And it&#8217;s bad because there are a lot of positive feedback loops in any complex system with the result that one reaches a tipping point where a little more or either equals a LOT of either.  Also abnormal causes of either are bad because we have less history to guide us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So global warming good, global cooling bad?  This isn&#039;t what billions of dollars worth of scientific research, billions of dollars worth of TV documentary, movie production and news casting, and billions of dollars worth of regulation have told us.  I wonder what would happen if the growing seasons in Northern Canada and Russia were lengthened.   What a catastrophe.  Too bad these Carbon sharing schemes fit Karl Marx&#039;s redistribution of wealth theories because if they didn&#039;t we could have an honest debate about what causes climate change and not how to transfer wealth from the first world to the third world.  Our scientists have been duped by the large amounts of money the Socialists have thrown at them to get the results the Socialists want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So global warming good, global cooling bad?  This isn&#8217;t what billions of dollars worth of scientific research, billions of dollars worth of TV documentary, movie production and news casting, and billions of dollars worth of regulation have told us.  I wonder what would happen if the growing seasons in Northern Canada and Russia were lengthened.   What a catastrophe.  Too bad these Carbon sharing schemes fit Karl Marx&#8217;s redistribution of wealth theories because if they didn&#8217;t we could have an honest debate about what causes climate change and not how to transfer wealth from the first world to the third world.  Our scientists have been duped by the large amounts of money the Socialists have thrown at them to get the results the Socialists want.</p>
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