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	<title>Comments on: New Allegations: Lance Armstrong Doped With an Experimental Drug</title>
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		<title>By: BillyDelyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyDelyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First they start with one drug, then by 2 paragraphs later, they&#039;ve moved through to the 4th or 5th example/company...

As Bill said in comment #1, they won&#039;t give up until they&#039;ve tried ever single avenue they can travel to attempt to stripe him of his 7 consecutive Tour De France titles... 

I watched all 7 of those tours, some on TV, some live in France/Italy/Spain, and I&#039;ve also seen Greg LeMond (I saw much of the &#039;89 tour/win, the final stage still ranks up there in my top 5 live sports moments) and other great bike riders in their prime, but what I saw Lance do live and on TV, that was like no other pedal spinner I&#039;d ever seen, the guy is a force to be reckoned with, an amazing athlete, its a shame the doping rumors have trailed him most of his career...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First they start with one drug, then by 2 paragraphs later, they&#8217;ve moved through to the 4th or 5th example/company&#8230;</p>
<p>As Bill said in comment #1, they won&#8217;t give up until they&#8217;ve tried ever single avenue they can travel to attempt to stripe him of his 7 consecutive Tour De France titles&#8230; </p>
<p>I watched all 7 of those tours, some on TV, some live in France/Italy/Spain, and I&#8217;ve also seen Greg LeMond (I saw much of the &#8217;89 tour/win, the final stage still ranks up there in my top 5 live sports moments) and other great bike riders in their prime, but what I saw Lance do live and on TV, that was like no other pedal spinner I&#8217;d ever seen, the guy is a force to be reckoned with, an amazing athlete, its a shame the doping rumors have trailed him most of his career&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like some of the people here are saying that lance had to b doing drugs to win all those tdf,s turbot must mean that usain bolt must be taking drugs now to have smashed all the records he has at running and at the way he easily beats all his fellows runners,so god only knows the massive amount of illegal drugs he must be taking to make it look that easy,that when he&#039;s finished he docent even look tired</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like some of the people here are saying that lance had to b doing drugs to win all those tdf,s turbot must mean that usain bolt must be taking drugs now to have smashed all the records he has at running and at the way he easily beats all his fellows runners,so god only knows the massive amount of illegal drugs he must be taking to make it look that easy,that when he&#8217;s finished he docent even look tired</p>
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		<title>By: Darius2025</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius2025</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who gives a F***.</description>
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		<title>By: Karen Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a drug makes you better, and you consistently win, then it is only fair if EVERYONE competing gets the same advantage. It seems very likely that Armstrong had to be using something to continue winning year after year, ad nauseum. Plus, he seems to be ocd, and afraid of aging. Time for him to find a graceful way to STOP competing, like finding a &quot;retirement career&quot;, and allowing the fresh, new competitors to test their prowess on the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a drug makes you better, and you consistently win, then it is only fair if EVERYONE competing gets the same advantage. It seems very likely that Armstrong had to be using something to continue winning year after year, ad nauseum. Plus, he seems to be ocd, and afraid of aging. Time for him to find a graceful way to STOP competing, like finding a &#8220;retirement career&#8221;, and allowing the fresh, new competitors to test their prowess on the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Torgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all take drugs to make us perform better in sex! There&#039;s nothing wrong with taking a drug to make you perform better in sports! What&#039;s the difference! Either way- Lance is COOL!!! Would you take a drug that makes you perform better at work?!!! STUUUUPID LAW!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all take drugs to make us perform better in sex! There&#8217;s nothing wrong with taking a drug to make you perform better in sports! What&#8217;s the difference! Either way- Lance is COOL!!! Would you take a drug that makes you perform better at work?!!! STUUUUPID LAW!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Torgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s NOTHING wrong with taking a drug that makes you do something BETTER!! If a drug makes you worse or makes you perform worse, only then it should be illegal!!!  That&#039;s a wacky crazy moronic law for SURE, that makes it illegal to take a drug that makes you better! If he did take it- it&#039;s FINE! Just like marawanna is fine- THE LAW IS WRONG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s NOTHING wrong with taking a drug that makes you do something BETTER!! If a drug makes you worse or makes you perform worse, only then it should be illegal!!!  That&#8217;s a wacky crazy moronic law for SURE, that makes it illegal to take a drug that makes you better! If he did take it- it&#8217;s FINE! Just like marawanna is fine- THE LAW IS WRONG!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Suz, are you saying that his testicular cancer is proof that he cheated?  

I am sorry, but that is simply not true.  Testicular cancer has nothing to do with PEDs.  Like a lot of cancer, it is just bad luck.  Some are genetically predisposed, or have some toxic exposure like tobacco for lung cancer.  But many just had rotten luck.  Go to a breast cancer walk, and you&#039;ll see a lot of people with with the same bad luck. 

Some of the drugs we use in chemotherapy are PEDs, but those drugs are easy to find on existing blood tests, tests that have been around for years.  

Maybe he did cheat, I don&#039;t know, but his cancer has nothing to do with PEDs.  

Incidentally, getting a hold of a drug in Phase III trials is very difficult.  It is very tightly controlled, and it&#039;s not like you can get it from a street corner.  The only source is the manufacturer, who may be staking their financial future on the drug.  They control it very tightly.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Suz, are you saying that his testicular cancer is proof that he cheated?  </p>
<p>I am sorry, but that is simply not true.  Testicular cancer has nothing to do with PEDs.  Like a lot of cancer, it is just bad luck.  Some are genetically predisposed, or have some toxic exposure like tobacco for lung cancer.  But many just had rotten luck.  Go to a breast cancer walk, and you&#8217;ll see a lot of people with with the same bad luck. </p>
<p>Some of the drugs we use in chemotherapy are PEDs, but those drugs are easy to find on existing blood tests, tests that have been around for years.  </p>
<p>Maybe he did cheat, I don&#8217;t know, but his cancer has nothing to do with PEDs.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, getting a hold of a drug in Phase III trials is very difficult.  It is very tightly controlled, and it&#8217;s not like you can get it from a street corner.  The only source is the manufacturer, who may be staking their financial future on the drug.  They control it very tightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and he cheated&quot;
Oh, I thought he was still UNCONVICTED. As a matter of FACT Taylor, he has not even been tired. YOU might be considered a m****, but is the jury still out?

Why not just enjoy the achievement? 

Speaking of drugs, please pass me that coke. Diet coke that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and he cheated&#8221;<br />
Oh, I thought he was still UNCONVICTED. As a matter of FACT Taylor, he has not even been tired. YOU might be considered a m****, but is the jury still out?</p>
<p>Why not just enjoy the achievement? </p>
<p>Speaking of drugs, please pass me that coke. Diet coke that is.</p>
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		<title>By: jimBuckle</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimBuckle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...simply bulls***. No one hunted down Bob Beamon when he broke the long jump world record by like...2 ft....Unusual acts of athletic prowess are possible and should be celebrated, but, all you self-haters loathe yourselves so much that you feel no one else should be lifted up either. If you polled the haters political views I bet the haters would fall out Liberal in the 90%+ range...self-haters.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;simply bulls***. No one hunted down Bob Beamon when he broke the long jump world record by like&#8230;2 ft&#8230;.Unusual acts of athletic prowess are possible and should be celebrated, but, all you self-haters loathe yourselves so much that you feel no one else should be lifted up either. If you polled the haters political views I bet the haters would fall out Liberal in the 90%+ range&#8230;self-haters.</p>
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		<title>By: Torgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see anything wrong with taking a drug that makes you perform better in sports!!  We all take Viagra to make us perform better in sex!! W&#039;s T F&#039;n difference? Please try to evolve a little faster people!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with taking a drug that makes you perform better in sports!!  We all take Viagra to make us perform better in sex!! W&#8217;s T F&#8217;n difference? Please try to evolve a little faster people!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Quis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon, many ways to hash this out again.  Maybe the Doogie Howser effect was in play, with the cancer and all. There are other top athletes out there, they&#039;re just not fortunate enough to get the chance or privelage  to compete. If he did take these experimetal devices, they were technically nod banned , so it ain&#039;t cheating , for all those that wanna play the technical standards game, unknown unknowns and the likes. Its even more testament to his greatness because he did not die from things that had a showing of failing to save the lives of others. And yes he was on drugs, he had CANCER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, many ways to hash this out again.  Maybe the Doogie Howser effect was in play, with the cancer and all. There are other top athletes out there, they&#8217;re just not fortunate enough to get the chance or privelage  to compete. If he did take these experimetal devices, they were technically nod banned , so it ain&#8217;t cheating , for all those that wanna play the technical standards game, unknown unknowns and the likes. Its even more testament to his greatness because he did not die from things that had a showing of failing to save the lives of others. And yes he was on drugs, he had CANCER!</p>
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		<title>By: GuruOfChem</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuruOfChem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Jim, Andrei Karellin didn&#039;t lose an international wrestling match for more than 12 years because he was cheating? And all those Boston Celtics teams that won championships in 10 out of 11 years were just cheating too - must have been doing so if they were that much better than the competition, according to your argument. There has simply not been a premier athlete in Armstrong&#039;s position; he was a world class cyclist before the cancer cost him so much muscle, and he was able to rebuild those muscles to ride a bicycle specifically. Who knows just how much of a competitive advantage that gave him? This also does not consider the fact that he was mentally tougher than his competitors, a fact readily apparent from watching him ride. Quit condemning him just because doing so fits your own jaded, cynical view of the world, and wait until there is actual, admissible, credible evidence before you paint him with the cheater&#039;s brush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Jim, Andrei Karellin didn&#8217;t lose an international wrestling match for more than 12 years because he was cheating? And all those Boston Celtics teams that won championships in 10 out of 11 years were just cheating too &#8211; must have been doing so if they were that much better than the competition, according to your argument. There has simply not been a premier athlete in Armstrong&#8217;s position; he was a world class cyclist before the cancer cost him so much muscle, and he was able to rebuild those muscles to ride a bicycle specifically. Who knows just how much of a competitive advantage that gave him? This also does not consider the fact that he was mentally tougher than his competitors, a fact readily apparent from watching him ride. Quit condemning him just because doing so fits your own jaded, cynical view of the world, and wait until there is actual, admissible, credible evidence before you paint him with the cheater&#8217;s brush.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone really think this guy (or anyone) could consistently beat the crap out of all the best in the world while they were on drugs?  He cheated for years guys!  Admit it.  They all do because no one on their teams (coaches, doctors, etc) is willing to be the grownup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone really think this guy (or anyone) could consistently beat the crap out of all the best in the world while they were on drugs?  He cheated for years guys!  Admit it.  They all do because no one on their teams (coaches, doctors, etc) is willing to be the grownup.</p>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear AVT, a small mind is something that thinks humans can do WTF they want to themselves and anything else and suffer no repercussions.  It&#039;s cause and effect, put stuff in your body that doesn&#039;t belong and the body reacts.  I&#039;m not saying I believe Lance to resort to a &#039;by any means necessary&#039; ploy or any such crap.  I DO believe he&#039;s a great athlete.  No one is perfect, though, and the cancers in his otherwise beautiful body make one wonder.  I think maybe I am just sick of hearing people say, &quot;Well, that just goes to show that you never can tell.&quot;  Why don&#039;t you just say, &quot;I don&#039;t want to be responsible for the things I do to myself.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear AVT, a small mind is something that thinks humans can do WTF they want to themselves and anything else and suffer no repercussions.  It&#8217;s cause and effect, put stuff in your body that doesn&#8217;t belong and the body reacts.  I&#8217;m not saying I believe Lance to resort to a &#8216;by any means necessary&#8217; ploy or any such crap.  I DO believe he&#8217;s a great athlete.  No one is perfect, though, and the cancers in his otherwise beautiful body make one wonder.  I think maybe I am just sick of hearing people say, &#8220;Well, that just goes to show that you never can tell.&#8221;  Why don&#8217;t you just say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to be responsible for the things I do to myself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AVT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AVT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence…Can anyone say cancer? WTF are you saying....humans with very, very small minds. I am with Bill and all those folks who have moved on. Cheating....find the frigging evidence. Had Lance doped he would have been caught..WHY....because the tests are random.....there are many small minded humans who can believe that someone can be that good. Grow the f*ck up people and get a life.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence…Can anyone say cancer? WTF are you saying&#8230;.humans with very, very small minds. I am with Bill and all those folks who have moved on. Cheating&#8230;.find the frigging evidence. Had Lance doped he would have been caught..WHY&#8230;.because the tests are random&#8230;..there are many small minded humans who can believe that someone can be that good. Grow the f*ck up people and get a life&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence...Can anyone say cancer?</description>
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		<title>By: GuruOfChem</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuruOfChem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear that next week the History Channel is airing an episode of Ancient Aliens which conclusively demonstrates that Armstrong got advanced PEDs from extraterrestrials...

Seriously, folks, when will the retroactive witch hunt stop? If so many people trying this hard for this long to find credible evidence have not yet done so, does that not suggest that there actually isn&#039;t any evidence to be found?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear that next week the History Channel is airing an episode of Ancient Aliens which conclusively demonstrates that Armstrong got advanced PEDs from extraterrestrials&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, folks, when will the retroactive witch hunt stop? If so many people trying this hard for this long to find credible evidence have not yet done so, does that not suggest that there actually isn&#8217;t any evidence to be found?</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you are permitted to be that good you&#039;re just not permitted to cheat, and he cheated.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Armstrong case will never rest until someone can find reason to strip him of his titles. It&#039;s like you&#039;re not permitted to just be that good at anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Armstrong case will never rest until someone can find reason to strip him of his titles. It&#8217;s like you&#8217;re not permitted to just be that good at anything.</p>
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