Comments on: Study: Climate Change Makes Extreme Floods & Storms More Likely http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: bab http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25256 bab Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:25:35 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25256 The population of india ,pakistan and africa are increasing ,the war in north africa and middle east is severe ,every month one chemical plant or oil refinery exploded so how we can stop climate change? even poor and middle class people want more money and they dont care about climate change , The population of india ,pakistan and africa are increasing ,the war in north africa and middle east is severe ,every month one chemical plant or oil refinery exploded so how we can stop climate change? even poor and middle class people want more money and they dont care about climate change ,

]]> By: XQZME http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25255 XQZME Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:13:20 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25255 As s Says says: “The problem with these “models” is that they are created with an inherent assumption….that global warming is real.” In the last 3,000 years, there was more storm activity in cold periods than in warm periods. An article in the International Journal of Climatology states that if global warming occurs some models show an increase in extreme events while other models show a decrease in extreme events. In the last 110 years there is no evidence of trends of extreme weather events in the winter season. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/12/27/winter-storms-update/ A recent study by National Institute of Oceanography, Goa, scientists led by Dr. M.R. Ramesh Kumar, Senior Scientist, Physical Oceanography Division, and published in the Indian Journal of Geo-Marine Sciences, clearly indicates that warm sea surface temperatures alone are not sufficient for the initiation of convective systems over the Bay of Bengal. http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/article1150078.ece Disputing various press speculations there is no correlation between Arctic ice and Northern snow extent. http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/no-correlation-between-arctic-ice-and-northern-hemisphere-snow-extent/ From 1895/7 to 2007 there is 0.85 correlation of global temperature with oceanic oscillations; 0.57 with solar intensity fluctuations; and 0.43 correlation with CO2 concentration. From 1987 to 2007 there is a 0.02 correlation of global temperature with CO2 concentration. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/25/warming-trend-pdo-and-solar-correlate-better-than-co2/ mrmrminr69 is correct. As s Says says:
“The problem with these “models” is that they are created with an inherent assumption….that global warming is real.”

In the last 3,000 years, there was more storm activity in cold periods than in warm periods. An article in the International Journal of Climatology states that if global warming occurs some models show an increase in extreme events while other models show a decrease in extreme events. In the last 110 years there is no evidence of trends of extreme weather events in the winter season.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/12/27/winter-storms-update/

A recent study by National Institute of Oceanography, Goa, scientists led by Dr. M.R. Ramesh Kumar, Senior Scientist, Physical Oceanography Division, and published in the Indian Journal of Geo-Marine Sciences, clearly indicates that warm sea surface temperatures alone are not sufficient for the initiation of convective systems over the Bay of Bengal.
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/article1150078.ece

Disputing various press speculations there is no correlation between Arctic ice and Northern snow extent.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/no-correlation-between-arctic-ice-and-northern-hemisphere-snow-extent/

From 1895/7 to 2007 there is 0.85 correlation of global temperature with oceanic oscillations; 0.57 with solar intensity fluctuations; and 0.43 correlation with CO2 concentration. From 1987 to 2007 there is a 0.02 correlation of global temperature with CO2 concentration.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/25/warming-trend-pdo-and-solar-correlate-better-than-co2/

mrmrminr69 is correct.

]]> By: John Lerch http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25254 John Lerch Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:41:11 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25254 I forgot to mention above that the solar cycle is of WAY TOO SMALL a magnitude to drive climate cycles BY ITSELF. Like the paradigm of a parametrically driven oscillator--a child pumping on a swing--it can only drive oscillators that already exist. And if those oscillators' fundamental parameters are permanently changed, the oscillation will become easier if the parameters tend that way or harder if that way. I forgot to mention above that the solar cycle is of WAY TOO SMALL a magnitude to drive climate cycles BY ITSELF. Like the paradigm of a parametrically driven oscillator–a child pumping on a swing–it can only drive oscillators that already exist. And if those oscillators’ fundamental parameters are permanently changed, the oscillation will become easier if the parameters tend that way or harder if that way.

]]> By: John Lerch http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25253 John Lerch Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:54:20 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25253 I said a dozen years ago that when you crank up the gain on a feedback system, you are guaranteed to have overdrive oscillation. And since CO2 addition is a set point change in one loop of the control system, that translates into an effective infinite gain. Therefore, the likelihood that CO2 addition would not create global warming and not create wild weather swings is ZERO. The only question of relevance is: Is there enough compensatory cooling in the THEORETICAL global COOLING to offset the direst predictions of the FACT of GLobal Warming. Global warming is a FACT by virtue of being predicted a century before it was looked for--the first NOBEL PRIZE WINNER in chemistry predicted it in 1900!!!!!!!! (Phenomena predicted before detection are accorded the appellation of fact--like the results of the 1919 solar eclipse observations verifying General Relativity even though subsequently there are competing models with close to the same numbers.) I said a dozen years ago that when you crank up the gain on a feedback system, you are guaranteed to have overdrive oscillation. And since CO2 addition is a set point change in one loop of the control system, that translates into an effective infinite gain. Therefore, the likelihood that CO2 addition would not create global warming and not create wild weather swings is ZERO.
The only question of relevance is: Is there enough compensatory cooling in the THEORETICAL global COOLING to offset the direst predictions of the FACT of GLobal Warming. Global warming is a FACT by virtue of being predicted a century before it was looked for–the first NOBEL PRIZE WINNER in chemistry predicted it in 1900!!!!!!!! (Phenomena predicted before detection are accorded the appellation of fact–like the results of the 1919 solar eclipse observations verifying General Relativity even though subsequently there are competing models with close to the same numbers.)

]]> By: s http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25252 s Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:14:54 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25252 agreed Nick, he's a bit off the wall...but Mem does make a valid point about the idiocy of the UN. In that, Mem is correct. One has to look no further than Iran on the UN's Human Right's Committee. The problem with these "models" is that they are created with an inherent assumption....that global warming is real. The Sun is about to enter it's next cyclical active period. Global Warming nazi's are salivating at that prospect because they know the media won't report that, or the correlation between the Sun and weather. They will only reprot on the gothic storms that are about to assail us. "Global warming is so stupid. Picture 2 guys standing around a huge bonfire. One guy lights a cigarette. The other guy pokes him in the ribs and says, "Hey buddy. Put that out...I'm too hot!" - Larry the Cable Guy agreed Nick, he’s a bit off the wall…but Mem does make a valid point about the idiocy of the UN. In that, Mem is correct. One has to look no further than Iran on the UN’s Human Right’s Committee.

The problem with these “models” is that they are created with an inherent assumption….that global warming is real.

The Sun is about to enter it’s next cyclical active period. Global Warming nazi’s are salivating at that prospect because they know the media won’t report that, or the correlation between the Sun and weather. They will only reprot on the gothic storms that are about to assail us.

“Global warming is so stupid. Picture 2 guys standing around a huge bonfire. One guy lights a cigarette. The other guy pokes him in the ribs and says, “Hey buddy. Put that out…I’m too hot!”

- Larry the Cable Guy

]]> By: nick http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25251 nick Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:22:20 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25251 Dear Meme, please to be making sense and cogent arguments, and not ridiculous statements like "journalists will be charged with treason" if you'd like someone to engage you in discussion in any sort of serious way. Thanks. Dear Meme, please to be making sense and cogent arguments, and not ridiculous statements like “journalists will be charged with treason” if you’d like someone to engage you in discussion in any sort of serious way. Thanks.

]]> By: mememine69 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/02/16/study-climate-change-makes-extreme-floods-storms-more-likely/#comment-25250 mememine69 Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:29:50 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/?p=26328#comment-25250 Journalists that covered the climate change mistake for the last 25 years of needless panic, have done to science and media, what abusive priests did to the Catholic Church. You lazy copy and paste clowns will sooner or later be charged with treason for leading us to a false war of climate variation and for condemning our children to a death by CO2. Meanwhile, the UN had allowed carbon trading to trump 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 25 years of climate control instead of needed population control. Call the courthouse and have theses news editors charged for perpetuating this needless panic and fear mongering. Journalists that covered the climate change mistake for the last 25 years of needless panic, have done to science and media, what abusive priests did to the Catholic Church. You lazy copy and paste clowns will sooner or later be charged with treason for leading us to a false war of climate variation and for condemning our children to a death by CO2. Meanwhile, the UN had allowed carbon trading to trump 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 25 years of climate control instead of needed population control. Call the courthouse and have theses news editors charged for perpetuating this needless panic and fear mongering.

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