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	<title>Comments on: Supreme Court: No, You Can&#039;t Sue Drugmakers Over Vaccine Injury Claims</title>
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		<title>By: Andria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Drug makers should have  more responsibilities in spending time to properly research vaccines before they rush them on the market for the business of money making. If not then they will put any &quot;what&#039;s it not&quot; in their vaccines, and then call it safe. We all know, the Love of money is the root of all evil.
Yes Dtap does cause seizures. The forms they give you in the clinic after your kid is vaccinated says that. I am in the medical field, so I am aware that with every seizure episode, there is some anoxia (lack of oxygen) going on in the brain, etc. Common sense should tell that when someone is having a seizure, they are not breathing for the lenght of the seizure. So, the point is the longer the seizure, the greater the lack of oxygen to the brain, and the greater the risk of brain damage. Don&#039;t be fooled. With every seizure episode, there is some brain cells lost. My son recieved his 2 months shot (pentacel which contains the Dtap, Hip, Polio) and Prevnar 13 which contains 13 serotypes (kinds) of streptococcus bacteria. To me, that is 18 pathogens in all instilled directly into the blood stream of my child, bypassing all the natural defense modes. I noticed same day after my son was vaccinated twice, that he was staring in space for few seconds. The second time he stared longer, but came out of it when i got his attention. To me, that reaction is too similar to a petite mal seizure. Now, i am weary to continue the rest of the vaccine seires. Upon recent visit to his PCP, i made mention of my finding, unfortunately, the dr. couldn&#039;t care less. he thinks differently. he believes vaccines can do know harm. Now i  am in search of a better pediatrician. The dr didn&#039;t even tell me that pentacel came out on the market just 2010. To me I prefer older brands that has been around for ages. These new &quot;hurry up&quot; vaccines to me have not been tested long enough to be on the market. I now just found out that some vaccines are made with aborted fetus/babies. especially live vaccines like MMR and chicken pox. I want no part of that, as I do not believe in abortion. The pharmaceutical companies wont tell you that. example whenever a vaccine ingredient contains human deploid cell/tissue and/or The WI-38 and MRC-5 cell cultures it has parts of cells from aborted babies. That is wrong! http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines.
Prevnar and Pentacel have caused adverse reactions in several babies. This i know after the fact. But now, I will no longer play Russian roulette with my son&#039;s life. Because at the end of the day it&#039;s 50/50.
One that does not believe in a &quot;one size fits all medicine.&quot; If I can find such a Doctor.  I will get titers done to see my son&#039;s immune status, before I go ahead with the rest of the vaccine.
Don&#039;t get me wrong, i do believe that some vaccines are befeicial, and some do more harm than good.
I do not believe in one size fits all medical care. Sometimes common sense is better. We have to learn to think outside of the box.
Pharmaceutical company are in the money making business so of course they are going to promote their newest invention. Even if they have to make up stories and instill fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Drug makers should have  more responsibilities in spending time to properly research vaccines before they rush them on the market for the business of money making. If not then they will put any &#8220;what&#8217;s it not&#8221; in their vaccines, and then call it safe. We all know, the Love of money is the root of all evil.<br />
Yes Dtap does cause seizures. The forms they give you in the clinic after your kid is vaccinated says that. I am in the medical field, so I am aware that with every seizure episode, there is some anoxia (lack of oxygen) going on in the brain, etc. Common sense should tell that when someone is having a seizure, they are not breathing for the lenght of the seizure. So, the point is the longer the seizure, the greater the lack of oxygen to the brain, and the greater the risk of brain damage. Don&#8217;t be fooled. With every seizure episode, there is some brain cells lost. My son recieved his 2 months shot (pentacel which contains the Dtap, Hip, Polio) and Prevnar 13 which contains 13 serotypes (kinds) of streptococcus bacteria. To me, that is 18 pathogens in all instilled directly into the blood stream of my child, bypassing all the natural defense modes. I noticed same day after my son was vaccinated twice, that he was staring in space for few seconds. The second time he stared longer, but came out of it when i got his attention. To me, that reaction is too similar to a petite mal seizure. Now, i am weary to continue the rest of the vaccine seires. Upon recent visit to his PCP, i made mention of my finding, unfortunately, the dr. couldn&#8217;t care less. he thinks differently. he believes vaccines can do know harm. Now i  am in search of a better pediatrician. The dr didn&#8217;t even tell me that pentacel came out on the market just 2010. To me I prefer older brands that has been around for ages. These new &#8220;hurry up&#8221; vaccines to me have not been tested long enough to be on the market. I now just found out that some vaccines are made with aborted fetus/babies. especially live vaccines like MMR and chicken pox. I want no part of that, as I do not believe in abortion. The pharmaceutical companies wont tell you that. example whenever a vaccine ingredient contains human deploid cell/tissue and/or The WI-38 and MRC-5 cell cultures it has parts of cells from aborted babies. That is wrong! <a href="http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines" rel="nofollow">http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines</a>.<br />
Prevnar and Pentacel have caused adverse reactions in several babies. This i know after the fact. But now, I will no longer play Russian roulette with my son&#8217;s life. Because at the end of the day it&#8217;s 50/50.<br />
One that does not believe in a &#8220;one size fits all medicine.&#8221; If I can find such a Doctor.  I will get titers done to see my son&#8217;s immune status, before I go ahead with the rest of the vaccine.<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, i do believe that some vaccines are befeicial, and some do more harm than good.<br />
I do not believe in one size fits all medical care. Sometimes common sense is better. We have to learn to think outside of the box.<br />
Pharmaceutical company are in the money making business so of course they are going to promote their newest invention. Even if they have to make up stories and instill fear.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back about 1955 bernice eddys was asked to do the quality controll experiments on the new ipv polio vaccine which had just passed &quot;field trials&quot; and just begun the mass polio vaccine program . she found the vaccines were causing tumors in the test animals and reported to alton oschner her boss . oschner reprimanded her  and shut her up. oschner was heavily invested in the vaccine and covered up the carcinogenic potential of the vaccine. this was not realized again until about 1960 when sweet and hilleman also observed the virus and named it SV40 . millions had already been innoculated with this tumor causing virus .the problem was ordered cleared up, but, never was . at least till about year 2000 there was always intermittent bouts of vaccine contamination . NOW TELL ME WHO DO YOU REALLY TRUST.  its ok for the FED to sue big pharma ,but NOT THOSE AFFLICTED BY VACCINE SICKNESSES?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back about 1955 bernice eddys was asked to do the quality controll experiments on the new ipv polio vaccine which had just passed &#8220;field trials&#8221; and just begun the mass polio vaccine program . she found the vaccines were causing tumors in the test animals and reported to alton oschner her boss . oschner reprimanded her  and shut her up. oschner was heavily invested in the vaccine and covered up the carcinogenic potential of the vaccine. this was not realized again until about 1960 when sweet and hilleman also observed the virus and named it SV40 . millions had already been innoculated with this tumor causing virus .the problem was ordered cleared up, but, never was . at least till about year 2000 there was always intermittent bouts of vaccine contamination . NOW TELL ME WHO DO YOU REALLY TRUST.  its ok for the FED to sue big pharma ,but NOT THOSE AFFLICTED BY VACCINE SICKNESSES?</p>
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		<title>By: coryy</title>
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		<dc:creator>coryy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jake...um, my kids have febrile seizures...if you&#039;ll read my post you&#039;ll see that I&#039;ve seen my kids stop breathing due to them. I will never minimize that.  However, febrile seizures are not a seizure disorder per se--they go away with age, and are not random, they are linked to illnesses only.

Interesting side note:  Medscape (free but requires registration) just posted an article linking combination vaccines to febrile seizures:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/738019</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jake&#8230;um, my kids have febrile seizures&#8230;if you&#8217;ll read my post you&#8217;ll see that I&#8217;ve seen my kids stop breathing due to them. I will never minimize that.  However, febrile seizures are not a seizure disorder per se&#8211;they go away with age, and are not random, they are linked to illnesses only.</p>
<p>Interesting side note:  Medscape (free but requires registration) just posted an article linking combination vaccines to febrile seizures:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/738019" rel="nofollow">http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/738019</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, you seriously need to link to the hundreds of cases of narcolepsy and miscarriages, because I&#039;m not considering your anecdotal evidence of, &quot;...personally know people who had severe adverse reactions...&quot; as a legitimate reason to stop vaccinations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you seriously need to link to the hundreds of cases of narcolepsy and miscarriages, because I&#8217;m not considering your anecdotal evidence of, &#8220;&#8230;personally know people who had severe adverse reactions&#8230;&#8221; as a legitimate reason to stop vaccinations.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article, about one years shot not being a perfect match. Also, the article never claims that it provides no benefit, just less. Aso, the people who die, of most diseases, are young and old. That&#039;s just a fact. So I guess until every year, the flu shot is perfect, and somehow manages to beef up the immune systems of infants and the elderly, vaccines are bad. You&#039;re making the best the enemy of the good. Vaccinations are not perfect, neither are helmets, seat-belts, air-bags, or any other precautionary safety measure. They are however better than the alternative by far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article, about one years shot not being a perfect match. Also, the article never claims that it provides no benefit, just less. Aso, the people who die, of most diseases, are young and old. That&#8217;s just a fact. So I guess until every year, the flu shot is perfect, and somehow manages to beef up the immune systems of infants and the elderly, vaccines are bad. You&#8217;re making the best the enemy of the good. Vaccinations are not perfect, neither are helmets, seat-belts, air-bags, or any other precautionary safety measure. They are however better than the alternative by far.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hat Zachary did you see the links I posted?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/96913.php

That one talks about how the flu shot targeted the wrong virus which means it didn&#039;t offer any protection to the vast majority of those who received it. Even the WHO and CDC admit that flu shots don&#039;t work very well if at all on the very young or the very old precisely the two groups who are in danger of dying from the flu. I also like the Seattle Times article because they blatantly lie and state that the nasal mist flu shot contains a &quot;crippled&quot; virus which cannot cause illness when the insert for the nasal flu shot says that it can.  The real truth is it&#039;s impossible to know the extent of the damage caused by vaccines because the auto-immune diseases &amp; cancers they cause take yrs to develop. It&#039;s also well known that the H1N1 flu shot caused hundreds of cases of narcolepsy and miscarriages &amp; I personally know people who had severe adverse reactions to it &amp; it was probably the least deadly flu in the human history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hat Zachary did you see the links I posted?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/96913.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/96913.php</a></p>
<p>That one talks about how the flu shot targeted the wrong virus which means it didn&#8217;t offer any protection to the vast majority of those who received it. Even the WHO and CDC admit that flu shots don&#8217;t work very well if at all on the very young or the very old precisely the two groups who are in danger of dying from the flu. I also like the Seattle Times article because they blatantly lie and state that the nasal mist flu shot contains a &#8220;crippled&#8221; virus which cannot cause illness when the insert for the nasal flu shot says that it can.  The real truth is it&#8217;s impossible to know the extent of the damage caused by vaccines because the auto-immune diseases &amp; cancers they cause take yrs to develop. It&#8217;s also well known that the H1N1 flu shot caused hundreds of cases of narcolepsy and miscarriages &amp; I personally know people who had severe adverse reactions to it &amp; it was probably the least deadly flu in the human history.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s the un-vaccinated people who should be thanking the vaccinated, it&#039;s called herd immunity. Are you really trying to make the case that vaccines cause more harm than good? That&#039;s just a blatant disregard for the facts. Look at the number of deaths from the flu alone before and after vaccinations. Now compare them to the number of adverse reactions to the flu shot, it&#039;s not even close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s the un-vaccinated people who should be thanking the vaccinated, it&#8217;s called herd immunity. Are you really trying to make the case that vaccines cause more harm than good? That&#8217;s just a blatant disregard for the facts. Look at the number of deaths from the flu alone before and after vaccinations. Now compare them to the number of adverse reactions to the flu shot, it&#8217;s not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Coryy,
seizure are a big deal it&#039;s causing brain damage by depriving part of your brain from oxygen much like a heart attack causes a part of your heart muscle to die from lack of oxygen seizure can and do cause permanent damage and if all or any of your kids have had those reactions to vaccines then your kids have sensitive immune systems and should not be vaccinated. If you continue down this path each time the immune reaction in the brain may become more severe . I would suggest going the natural route &amp; keep your kids and your self healthy by eating real food getting outside exercise and Vit D, many studies have shown it&#039;s very tough to get sick or die from flu if you have enough Vit D.




http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/health/11iht-polio.1.7847606.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Coryy,<br />
seizure are a big deal it&#8217;s causing brain damage by depriving part of your brain from oxygen much like a heart attack causes a part of your heart muscle to die from lack of oxygen seizure can and do cause permanent damage and if all or any of your kids have had those reactions to vaccines then your kids have sensitive immune systems and should not be vaccinated. If you continue down this path each time the immune reaction in the brain may become more severe . I would suggest going the natural route &amp; keep your kids and your self healthy by eating real food getting outside exercise and Vit D, many studies have shown it&#8217;s very tough to get sick or die from flu if you have enough Vit D.</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/health/11iht-polio.1.7847606.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/health/11iht-polio.1.7847606.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you are missing the BIG point here. The govt tries to force kids to get vaccinated for everything and then when they suffer terrible side effects which admittedly include DEATH among numerous other conditions which are completely debilitating they say sorry, good luck with that. Whoever commented that vaccines aren&#039;t all that profitable needs to give his head a shake, they wouldn&#039;t be developing a vaccine for everything under the sun if it weren&#039;t profitable. 1 in 1000 people who catch polio develops serious problems from it &amp; the polio vaccine was contaminated with a cancer causing virus SV40 so generations of people got shot up with cancer to prevent maybe 1 in 10,000 or less from having paralytic polio. To Vincent; just because you&#039;ve had some vaccines and are not dead yet is not an argument that they are safe or effective. Read the insert on the vaccine it&#039;s admitted they cause death, seizures &amp; auto-immune disorders and in fact every vaccine is capable of causing the disease it is supposed to protect against! I&#039;m sick and tired of idiots spouting off about how the govt is trying to protect us and how we should all just shut up and get our flu-shots you morons need to learn how to read, all of the recent outbreaks of things like mumps, measles and rubella are among vaccinated children so either they don&#039;t work or they are making kids sick. This isn&#039;t even debatable, again it&#039;s admitted so it&#039;s the un-vaccinated people who should really be upset because the stupid idiots who insist on being shot up with the filthy garbage are creating new epidemics and endangering the rest of us otherwise healthy folks. Lastly every vaccine insert says this vaccine has not been tested for it&#039;s carcinogenic potential which means they can&#039;t be bothered to see if they cause cancer or not (I guess there&#039;s no time because measles never sleep) So Vincent when you get cancer from all the cancer causing agents you&#039;ve willingly injected into your body should you be denied treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you are missing the BIG point here. The govt tries to force kids to get vaccinated for everything and then when they suffer terrible side effects which admittedly include DEATH among numerous other conditions which are completely debilitating they say sorry, good luck with that. Whoever commented that vaccines aren&#8217;t all that profitable needs to give his head a shake, they wouldn&#8217;t be developing a vaccine for everything under the sun if it weren&#8217;t profitable. 1 in 1000 people who catch polio develops serious problems from it &amp; the polio vaccine was contaminated with a cancer causing virus SV40 so generations of people got shot up with cancer to prevent maybe 1 in 10,000 or less from having paralytic polio. To Vincent; just because you&#8217;ve had some vaccines and are not dead yet is not an argument that they are safe or effective. Read the insert on the vaccine it&#8217;s admitted they cause death, seizures &amp; auto-immune disorders and in fact every vaccine is capable of causing the disease it is supposed to protect against! I&#8217;m sick and tired of idiots spouting off about how the govt is trying to protect us and how we should all just shut up and get our flu-shots you morons need to learn how to read, all of the recent outbreaks of things like mumps, measles and rubella are among vaccinated children so either they don&#8217;t work or they are making kids sick. This isn&#8217;t even debatable, again it&#8217;s admitted so it&#8217;s the un-vaccinated people who should really be upset because the stupid idiots who insist on being shot up with the filthy garbage are creating new epidemics and endangering the rest of us otherwise healthy folks. Lastly every vaccine insert says this vaccine has not been tested for it&#8217;s carcinogenic potential which means they can&#8217;t be bothered to see if they cause cancer or not (I guess there&#8217;s no time because measles never sleep) So Vincent when you get cancer from all the cancer causing agents you&#8217;ve willingly injected into your body should you be denied treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WARNING: I am not an astroturfer nor sockpuppet. It&#039;s called having an opinion, and I&#039;ve been on the boards here for awhile on a range of topics. The problem is we can never pinpoint cases where a child would have gotten sick when they don&#039;t. We don&#039;t know which children would have died of polio or measles when they do not contract the disease thanks to vaccination. However the rare instances when vaccinations cause complications are present, and much more visceral. It&#039;s like the person who actually gets injured by the seat-belt; does that mean seat-belts are a bad idea? Do people who get injured by the seat-belts have the right to sue for large enough damages that provide incentive for car manufacturers to take them out of cars? I like the idea of the table of symptoms that get a set pay-out, and of course want rigorous controls on what gets put in, and in this case left off of, that list. Why were seizures removed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARNING: I am not an astroturfer nor sockpuppet. It&#8217;s called having an opinion, and I&#8217;ve been on the boards here for awhile on a range of topics. The problem is we can never pinpoint cases where a child would have gotten sick when they don&#8217;t. We don&#8217;t know which children would have died of polio or measles when they do not contract the disease thanks to vaccination. However the rare instances when vaccinations cause complications are present, and much more visceral. It&#8217;s like the person who actually gets injured by the seat-belt; does that mean seat-belts are a bad idea? Do people who get injured by the seat-belts have the right to sue for large enough damages that provide incentive for car manufacturers to take them out of cars? I like the idea of the table of symptoms that get a set pay-out, and of course want rigorous controls on what gets put in, and in this case left off of, that list. Why were seizures removed?</p>
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