Cute But Deadly: Cats are a Far Bigger Threat to U.S. Birds Than Windmills

By Patrick Morgan | March 21, 2011 2:18 pm

What’s the News: After tracking baby gray catbirds with miniature radio transmitters, biologists found that cats were by far the #1 bird killer: 47 percent of the birds died at the paws of pet and feral felines (out of 80 percent that were killed by predators in general). This echoes some biologists’ view that cats are a destructive, human-assisted invasive species: “Cats are way up there in terms of threats to birds — they are a formidable force in driving out native species,” said one of the authors of the study.

What’s the Context:

Not So Fast: While cats were the biggest threat to birds in this study, the lead author notes that the biggest culprit for bird deaths over all is still building collisions.

Reference: Balogh, Anne L., Ryder, Thomas B., and Marra, Peter P. 2011. Population demography of Gray Catbirds in the suburban matrix: sources, sinks and domestic cats. Journal of Ornithology. DOI 10.1007/s10336-011-0648-7 (pdf)

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CATEGORIZED UNDER: Environment, Living World
  • Christopher Kandrat

    I personally would think cats to, every alley cat I see is hunting birds and very successfully, besides I never thought of windmills as a big problem.

  • http://www.killingmother.blogspot.com killingMother

    Thank you for this very useful information regarding the real threats to bird populations. Windmill deaths are negligable when compared not only with fatalities caused by felines and buildings as you note, but the windmill statistic continues to be dragged out and exaggerated by global climate change skeptics to boost their fossil fuel-friendly platform in spite of clear scientific evidence to contradict their claims. The number of birds that are disappearing due to habitat loss and climate change trumps all other sources of fatality combined. http://www.killingmother.blogspot.com.

  • Sea Green

    The Journal of Ornitholgy paper “Population demography of Gray Catbirds in the suburban matrix: sources, sinks and domestic cats”, by A.L. Balogh, T.B. Ryder and P.P. Marra is misleading to say the least.

    The introduction states “Predation accounted for 79% of all mortalities, with 47% of known predation events attributable to domestic cats.” The wording leads the reader to think that of the 79% mortalities, cats were responsible for 47%! Actually reading the paper and getting into the numbers tells an entirely different story!

    42 of 69 fledglings died. Of those 42 fledgling deaths, the authors attribute 33 to predation events (there’s the 79%-80%). Six of the 33 predation events are labeled cat-kills, based on “direct observation”.* Three more predation deaths are added to the cat tally, even though these were not directly observed, based on the decapitated condition of the fledgling. As stated: “Although not all mortalities could be clearly assigned, fledglings found with body damage or missing heads were considered symptomatic of cats kills.” And “Second, we are unaware of any other native or non-native predator that regularly decapitates birds while leaving the body uneaten.” Doing a quick google search I came up with several decapitating candidates: owls and grackles. The authors also admit that “One potential limitation of our diurnal (predator) census technique is inability to detect cryptic or nocturnal urban species such as owls, snakes, and rats.”

    Back to tracking down the 47% number: So 6 “directly observed” cat kills plus 3 decapitated fledglings blamed on cats, become 9 deaths attributed to cats. Nine out of 42 total fledgling deaths is 21%. Nine of 33 total predation deaths is 27%. Where did that 47% come from? To get the 47% the authors had to reduce the total predation deaths to include only those “assignable predation events” which they say is 19. Nine of 19 “assignable predation events” is 47%. Of the 33 deaths the authors attribute to predation, 14 were called predation, but not “attributed” to any particular predator. That’s a large number to be cut out of the data! Scientists have an amusing term used to describe such number manuvering: massaging the data.

    There was no control group! The nestlings and fledglings taken from their nests or caught in mist nets, were weighed, blood was sampled and harnessed with a radio transmitter . I wonder how many fledglings would of survived if not hampered by a radio-transmitter harnessed to their body? Since the radio transmitters were not removed from the surviving birds, I can only imagine the painful, lingering death the 27 fledglings endured when the radio transmitter elastic harness cut into their bodies as they grew. So the researchers killed more than cats did by a long shot.

  • Brian Too

    Big surprise. A species honed by eons of evolutionary forces to hunt, is a larger threat to a prey species than a windmill. A windmill that kills accidentally and unintentionally.

    Not that bird fatalities are a good thing, but I think we have to keep this in proportion here.

    I have friends who have cats and used to live near to bird owners. I can attest to the lethality of the kitties! Even a couch potato indoor cat, with no mother who trained it to hunt, has all the tools and motivation to catch our winged friends.

    And I suspect every cat owner has had the same experience. Kittie may not want or need to eat the catch, but they are compelled to hunt whenever the opportunity arises. Then watch out for the carcasses dropped at various prominent locations.

    So where is the lobby to get rid of cats and cat ownership?

  • Messier Tidy Upper

    @ ^ Brian too : There isn’t an anti-cat lobby, well not much of one, because most people appreciate how good cats are and many folks either have a cat themselves or know others who benefit from cat ownership.

    Cats have been demonised in the past by cat-haters – & the consequences of that have been deadly. Look at the time of the Black Death when killing cats allowed the mice to spread & with that the plague.

    Today a similar situation applies -get rid of the cats and that will create other far worse problems. Felis domesticus is here to stay – and those that don’t like that (esp. the extremists) just need to get over it.

    Not So Fast : While cats were the biggest threat to birds in this study, the lead author notes that the biggest culprit for bird deaths over all is still building collisions.[Emphasis original.]

    Um, hang on a sec! Isn’t a windmill a type of building?

    Cats are wonderful animals. Yes, they’re great hunters and predators but on the bright side they’re stopping a bird plague and we get far more out of cats than we do from birds.

    What little sanity I have left I owe to a number of much-loved pet cats. ;-)

    The benefits of cats outweigh the disadvantages – by far.

  • Jason

    I love cats. We own two. However, cat owners need to keep their pets inside or have them declawed. My neighbor recently got an adult farm cat that they keep outside to protect against rodents. The cat is very friendly around people but it’s a kiling machine. This cat is in constant hunting mode. Everytime I go outside it’s stalking something. Not only is it getting rodents like mice and moles which is good, it’s also getting all manner of birds, anoles, glass lizards, skinks, small snakes, insects, and baby oppossum and squirrels. It’s going to bring down a small deer some day I just know it. The wildlife in my backyard is dissappearing all because of the well intentioned introduction of this one cat. It may just end up on a farm far, far away from my house someday.

    Again, owners should keep their cats inside or have them declawed for the sake of the wildlife. I work in the animal field and have been preaching this for the last decade. It’s just the responsible thing to do.

  • Georg

    What about the threat of windmills on cats?

  • http://www.cat-lovers-only.com Kurt Schmitt

    In 2004, the AP reported that ornithologist Daniel Klem, Jr. stated that habitat destruction was the number one killer of birds. Number two? Plate glass windows, which was estimated to kill up to one billion birds a year, and that’s just in the US.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4134773/ns/us_news-environment/

    http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/materials/predation.pdf

    The American Bird Conservancy says that “some free-roaming domestic cats kill more than 100 animals each year” and that one cat killed 1,600 animals in 18 months. Those numbers include birds and other animals, so the actual number of birds killed is much lower.

    A skyscraper can kill 200 birds a day without regard to the health of the bird or it’s ability to out run the building. That’s 73,000 a year.

    Cats are no match for buildings.

    Declawing is not the responsible thing to do. Amputation of toes does not stop hunting or killing, it only makes for problems. The responsible thing to do is to keep your cat indoors or in a safe enclosure that keeps birds and cats separated.

    If you are unwilling to do that then you should not have a cat. That’s responsibility. That fixes the roaming problem, although I’m well aware that there are distinct cultural viewpoints that are at odds with this concept. As for the feral problem, that is a whole other matter to tackle.

  • John Lerch

    How about a collar that programs cats not to stalk birds? But that lets it stalk mice. (Not stalk skinks too.)

  • scott

    hey, all for cats, i like them, and own one. but..i think the wild population should be controlled. there is a “hoarder” house on the next block from my house and there are about 30 wild cats living around it – very mangy looking, sickly…anyway, the city will do nothing about it, LA being a “cat safe city”. i have called before to complain, as those cats have killed many birds near my feeder.

    LA allows them, encourages them to roam free to control rats….which LA has plenty of.

    on a note of invasive species…around LA you can see huge flocks of various birds from around the world, thriving here. the other day i saw a very vibrant and noisy group of brilliant green parots roosting in a tree.

    in my area we have several large nests of hawks which i have seen catch squirrels as well as dive on cats…also, we have many coyotes that patrol the hood at night, that come down from the local hills and i know several people who have lost cats to them…so maybe there is a balance going on here?

  • Jonathan

    The biggest threat to birds is habitat loss. That is why birds which normally nest in green spaces and fields, are forced to nest in backyards and other urban areas because their original woodland habitat has been replaced by large windowed building. That coupled with the proliferation of bird feeders is contributing to the problem. Feeding wildlife is illegal in most jurisdictions; however most people don’t consider birds as wildlife. The end result is a concentration of birds in urban areas where the normal predators are missing. So instead of blaming urban sprawl for contributing to the problem, cats are seen as the culprit. I live in a rural area where the predominant predator on birds are ravens. They mark the nests and return when the fledgelings are large enough to make a meal. A pair of ravens can take a lot of birds.

  • Bobito

    The solution seems simple… just hang bits of yarn off the ends of windmills. This will distract the kitties from hunting birds, and the presence of cats beneath the windmills will deter birds thus reducing the risk of getting killed by the windmill.

  • Thomas Allen Shumate

    Heard of this article and searched for it. These “researchers” need to leave their yards and towns to see other birds. Few windmills, house cats, and buildings are in the mountains, forests and tropics, yet are habitats to far more bird species than house cats. Other predators are in these areas, but obvious cat haters are allowed to over react and claim unsupported facts as science. As a bird watcher, I have seen birds in the farm area I live in die of pesticides, building strikes, snakes, raccoons, and habitat change, but there is a “all cats indoors” movement going on. Should there be a “no hawk movement” and eliminate all other predators?

  • Darren Garrison

    So the catbirds are being killed off by cats?

    Well, at least now we know what happened to the elephant birds.

  • Brian Too

    @5. Messier Tidy Upper,

    Sorry, I did not mean to speak against cats. Upon re-reading I can see that it might be taken that way.

    No, I was speaking ironically, remembering how (was it a year ago?) there was a spate of stories about how dangerous windmills were to birds. It seemed a little far-fetched to me then, as it does now.

    Based upon certain local political conditions, there appeared to be an anti-windmill lobby digging up some real, and some exaggerated concerns.

    So in my post I “proposed” an anti-cat lobby. It would be logical if the goal were truly to protect birds and illogical if there was a hidden agenda. Although I can also attest to a long ago and put-upon bird owner (pigeons in that case), there may have been a real anti-cat lobby with a membership of at least one!

    Personally I like both birds and cats although I decline to own either one.

  • http://aquietnesswithin.blogspot.com Chuang Shyue Chou

    My cats have each killed five birds or more since they were kittens. That is over a period of four years. My cats have also killed two snakes, a squirrel, rats and more. They are, however, afraid of the palm civet cat.

    The crows near my place have also killed birds.

  • Messier Tidy Upper

    @17. Brian Too : Okay, fair enough.

    @6. Jason : Declawing is cruel – I would go as far as saying that practice should be banned or at best really heavily restricted. I tried keeping my cat inside but she hated it and kept escaping at every opportunity. I do try to keep her in at night for her own safety and I do try to be a responsible pet owner but I think we’ll just have to accept that cats are now part of the natural ecosystem.

    We can’t remove them from the environment and it would be a disaster if we did. (Remember what I said before about rats and the Plague.) It wouldn’t save the natives anyhow most likely, just change the cause of their extinction from predation by cats to predation by foxes or habitat loss or out-competing by vermin like mice and rabbits, etc .. We just cannot turn back time & the ecology post-human arrival is just different and has to be faced as it is not seen through some impossible eco-purist blinkers.

    Extinction is part of nature too. If birds & other fauna can’t adapt to cope with some new level of predation, well that’s just how it is & too bad for them. Perhaps they can live on in zoos or special reserves but if they can’t survive inevitable predation in the wild, then they’re clearly not evolutionary winners – and would have gone extinct at some point naturally anyhow.

    I know that sounds harsh but I do think that’s just the reality of it.

  • Jason

    Messier – I agree with you about extinction being part of nature and if a species can’t adapt to or cope with environmental changes then they will be evolutinary losers. The problem is human intervention. Humans set up situations, knowingly or unwittingly, that lead to the extiction of species that would otherwise not have occurred. You talk about it being cruel to declaw cats but can’t it be considered cruel to allow the extiction of hundreds of species of birds and other animals because you refuse to keep your cat inside or have it declawed…and yes declawing significantly reduces their abilty to catch prey items. Let me make sure I have this correct. CRUEL to declaw your cat that will live for 20+years fat, happy, and disease free in your house. NOT CRUEL to allow species to go extict due to human development and well intentioned yet ultimately harmful intervention. You make no sense.

    I don’t believe that cats pose the biggest threat to wild birds. It’s habitat loss by human developement and expansion. But domestic cats, feral or otherwise, take a big chunk of out of wildlife populations. It’s an added pressure that our native wildlife does not need.

    Now it’s my turn to sound harsh. I have no problems eraticating a non-native species in an area where they were introduced by humans. If I’m fishing and I catch an invasive species I destroy it. In Texas I used to take out feral pigs by the dozens. I used to catch and destroy iguanas and other non-native reptiles in Florida. I think we should place as many cats and dogs in homes as we can but ultimately they should be destroyed if they are just going to end up on the street. Life is not easy for feral dogs by the way. Humans and selective breeding have left them ill-equipped to care for themselves. It’s far less cruel to put them down than for them to live wild for 2-3 years starving and disease stricken and then die. As sad as it is, humans brought this upon them and we need to do the right thing and not let them suffer.

    There is no way that we can “undo” all of the harmful species intruductions that humans have done. But where we can, we should. Declaw your cats. Fix your pets. Keep them inside at least most of the time. Be responsible at every opportunity. That will make a huge difference. I just can not agree with the attitude of “well we messed so let nature take it’s course”.

  • Jan

    Including this info in more alternative energy arguments is helpful, but getting the word out to pet owners and doing something about feral cats are very important. Getting the help of animal rescue groups and veterinarians to spread the word and getting towns to consider licensing cats like dogs would help. If people kept cats indoors, understanding that they will make some escapes, sure would help. We used a harness to take our cat for walks, it was not shaped like a dog harness, but one circular strap that went around her neck connected by a single strap to another one that went behind her front legs. She had been allowed outside for several years but when we found the dead rosebreasted grosbeak in our yard that was the end. She didn’t like the harness & light weight leash at first, but when she realized it was the only way to go outside, she got just as excited as dogs do when they see the leash come out. It always takes time to change peoples’ mindsets, cats too, but is very possible.

  • http://boweiz.eklablog.com boweiblog

    Not only is it getting rodents like mice and moles which is good, it’s also getting all manner of birds, anoles, glass lizards, skinks, small snakes, insects, and baby oppossum and squirrels. It’s going to bring down a small deer some day I just know it.

  • BimotaGrrrl

    The report implies feral/loose kitties are a contributing factor to bird loss.

    Feral cats are a problem here in GA. They were a problem when I lived in WA, MA, TX, and when I visited Rome and Cairo they were a problem there, too.

    Assuming feral cats at some point originate in un-neutered household kitties,

    My solution: put just enough birth control into all brands of cat food. Keep the price of those as they are (cheap). Allow mfrs of cat food to produce high-end brands with no birth control, and make the price higher (for breeders).

    I have always had cats (neutered). I’m even neutering every stray who wanders onto my front porch. Not the men, though…just the cats.

  • Cathy

    Even keeping them indoors won’t stop the hunting instinct. One of our cats, a pampered spoiled runt of a cat (5 lbs full grown) who was rescued from abandonment at 3 weeks and has never set foot outside since, loves to stare at the birds outside. We have a bird feeder set up for the cats to watch, and even the indoor-for-life princess makes the “alert: prey sighted” chattering sound the second she sees a bird.

    Birth control in catfood won’t put even a small dent in the feral cat population. They eat trash – and birds – not cat food. The best solution found so far is “catch and release” where feral cats are caught in traps, neutered or spayed, and then released back into the wild (or the urban jungle, as is most often the case.) The programs take time to show fruition, but after a decade they can dramatically shrink the feral cat population.

  • Carol

    For years I’ve been feeding birds and never had red-winged blackbirds at my feeders. Now there are hundreds that come in to feed not because of cats but because of humans destroying their habitat. Let’s be honest, man is the greatest threat to birds and it’s comforting somehow to attach blame to something else. We need to go back to smaller homes and businesses and give nature a chance. Just because we have the money to buy large homes doesn’t mean we have to do it. Build smaller and use natural landscaping. At least that’s a start.

  • Terry Adams

    A comment on putting birth control for cats into affordable cat food: I’ve had spayed/neutered, strictly indoor cats all my life. I would not like to be forced to feed them drugs they don’t need. (So okay,they get the “high end” food anyway, but I hope you see my point.) As to feral cats, I’m active with the local TNR (trap-neuter-return) organization and strongly advocate this approach. As another comment noted, this strategy reduces the number of feral cats over time. With no new kittens being born, and the only increase in population coming from new ferals/strays drawn to the colony’s food source (to be trapped, spayed and neutered in their turn), the colony will shrink over time.

  • Woodsman

    TNR programs are a dismal failure. Don’t let anyone try to convince you otherwise.

    For just two of the dozens of sites online that present the truth:

    http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/tnr.html

    http://www.tnrrealitycheck.com/

    Those cats that are released will still be decimating the native food-chain for all manner of animals larger than themselves, as well as destroying all the smaller animals that feed the larger ones. And if you feed a TNR cat colony they kill even more wildlife. A well-fed cat kills more animals than a starving one. They don’t stop killing other animals just because they’re no longer hungry. The healthier they are the more they kill. It’s what they do, it’s what they are. Lousy little killing machines, nothing more.

    And don’t fall for the song and dance about cat-lovers being animal-lovers, they are anything but that. They don’t give one damn about any other animals nor even other humans.

    The problem is just not the loss of bird populations either. Feral cats and neighboring farmers that let theirs roam free have decimated the food-chain in my woods. The resident foxes, owls, and other predatory animals no longer had a food source, the feral cats ate all the smaller animals that all the larger ones depend on. The native species all starved to death. That’s what cats do to ALL native animals.

    I found out that where I live it is perfectly legal to defend your own property and animals from destruction by others’ animals. I lost count after dispatching over 20 of the lousy piece-of-sh!t vermin with a good .22, outfitted with a laser-sight and good zoom rifle-scope. I didn’t have to waste even one bullet, making this solution highly economical as well. Just think of how many dollars and hours of your lives that you have spent trapping, transporting, calling, complaining, restoring damaged property, et.al. … and still all the problems that these useless cat-lovers have caused remains.

    It’s time to give cats and cat-lovers the same consideration and respect that they have for all other humans and all other wildlife–that means NONE. Don’t bother wasting your time arguing with disrespectful, inconsiderate, and ignorant cat-lovers either, as I stupidly tried to do too many times in the past. Just do what needs to be done and there’ll be nothing to argue about.

    This year owls and foxes have returned to my woods. The lousy cats are finally gone, but I’ll shoot again on first-sight the first chance I get. The rewards for ridding your land of ALL cats is far too great.

  • Amanda

    Woodsman, what a great post. I live in the United Kingdom and have the same problem, vermin cats killing the beautiful creatures that visit my garden, ignoramus selfish owners who dont give a damn about animals or humans apart from cats. Nothing works at getting rid of them and over here your not supposed to use lethal means to get rid of cats. Do you have any advice to give me? I really do want to get rid of the horrible killing machines so i can have a garden full of wild creatures in safety away from prying cats. It has gone on for too long now

  • Woodsman

    If you don’t live in an area where a firearm can be discharged legally, then I offer another valuable and humane method to counter the myriad problems that all disrespectful and inconsiderate cat-lovers cause for everyone and all wildlife.

    Google for: pot mod laser. You get these pot-moddable blue or green lasers for about 5$-$10 off of ebay from Hong Kong and China suppliers. You can easily increase their output to 100mw or more. I find that filing a small hole in the side of the barrel makes it easier to reach the potentiometer than disassembly and risking ruining it. I also found that the blue lasers are more powerful and effective than the green ones when pot-modded, lighting a match much more quickly.

    Anytime you see a cat off of an owner’s property, use a pot-modded laser on it. If you blind a cat in one eye they’ll lose their depth perception and won’t be able to hunt as effectively. If you blind them in both eyes they’ll stay home near their food dish. This is instant and painless. It’s even far more humane than declawing. It is also anonymous. In daytime nobody will even know it happened or who did it–for those of you who don’t want to deal with or confront the ignorant and inconsiderate cat-lovers.

    I keep one in my pocket for those cats that are too difficult to shoot cleanly with a .22. I don’t like to see any animal suffer. If I can’t get a clean shot then they get blinded.

    The drastic problems that cat-lovers have created by their blatant disrespect and lack of consideration for their environment, all other humans, and all animals now requires drastic actions by all those who actually care.

    If nothing else, now that the useless cat-lovers know this will happen to their cats maybe they’ll keep them indoors where they damn well belong to prove they actually care. Win win all around.

  • David

    This is just more of the anti-cat propaganda that’s been circulating for years in the highly insular and self-reinforcing world of bird-enthusiasts. I was at a university seminar today with Fish and Wildlife graduate students where it was freely discussed and admitted that there is NO credible data whatsoever on the number of birds killed by cats every year.

    Intellectually honest people know that the bird species that are in decline (not all are, of course) are largely in decline because of loss of habitat, pesticides, herbicides, pollution, etc…, all things brought about by human beings. What bird-enthusiast organizations have discovered, however, is that they can get people stirred up by scapegoating and demonizing cats, who are seen as “soft targets.” Why does this work better? It’s because it’s so daunting and demoralizing to try to fight the massive assault being wrought on the earth’s ecosystems by human beings. It’s the same cynical strategy employed by churches who write that gay people are Destroying Marriage. They know that gay people don’t make straight people get divorced or break their marriage vows, but who cares? It brings in the donations and keeps the fanatics fanatical. It’s easier to have an enemy that’s not us.

    Let me ask anyone reading the following questions:

    Have you recently seen a cat cutting down entire forests with a chainsaw?

    Have you seen a cat driving a tractor spraying hundreds of gallons of pesticides on a field?

    Have you seen a cat releasing billions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico?

    Have you seen a cat spilling radioactive waste into the air and water in Japan?

    Have you seen a cat slashing and burning the Amazonian rainforest?

    And finally, how could anyone be so hopelessly off-target and ethically depraved as to blame cats for problems facing wildlife when the real guilty party, by a huge margin, is mankind, urged on by our insatiable greed for the planet’s resources?

    The problem is not cats. The problem is that the vast majority of people on the planet don’t give a damn either about cats or birds.

  • Woodsman

    And REMEMBER …

    Don’t ever bother wasting your time arguing with disrespectful, inconsiderate, and ignorant cat-lovers either, as I stupidly tried to do too many times in the past. Just do what needs to be done and there’ll be nothing to argue about. Case closed.

  • Woodsman

    A little insight to help you with your war on cat-lovers and their cats. Maybe if you explain this to them you won’t have to use more drastic means.

    I have come to the inexorable conclusion that the vast majority of cat-lovers and cat-owners that let their destructively invasive-species roam free, and those that defend the rights for feral cats to overtake public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their own territorial behavior. Not unlike uneducated inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use a boom-box to stake-out a territory for themselves with loud music. As long as they can have one of their possessions defecate in another’s yard and the yard-owner not have any recourse to do anything about it, the cat-owner owns that territory. It’s time to put a stop to them using their “cute kitty” excuse for usurping and stealing others’ property. If they want territory they can damn well buy it just like anyone else. Instead of using their underhanded, disrespectful, and manipulative means, putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. Again proving why they don’t care about cats nor anyone else at all. Cat-lovers only really want your lawn, yard, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can’t have nor own. Bottom line–they want to control you and your property. That’s all that “cat-lovers” are really after. It’s why they don’t care at all if their cat nor any other animals get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.

  • Summer

    Woodsman – You have got some serious problems and should be reported to authorities for the destruction you cause. You are despicable.

    Cats need to be free to do their public service. Do you have any idea how many diseased creatures would be spread all around us if it wasn’t for them hunting them? Do you really have any clue? Shall you pretend that all would be fine if the cats weren’t hunting these creatures that spread and carry diseases that humans often die from? Do you care?

    You are beyond rational thought or debate. You have these silly paranoid conspiracy theories and just generalize groups of people like some ignorant bigot.

    I truly hope you are caught doing your cowardly criminal acts and are brought to justice.

  • Woodsman

    So your idea of a “public service” is to destroy all native wildlife on the planet while letting cats spread all the deadly diseases they carry to all humans on every continent, as they are already doing. People like you should be sterilized, or locked up, or both.

    In fact, shooting cats is too good for them. They should be made to starve to death like all the predator animals here did, or die a slow death while maimed and mauled, like all the prey animals they destroyed. But I’m not as inhumane as all cats and cat-lovers.

    Apparently you also didn’t read the full post I made. It’s LEGAL to destroy your lousy invasive-species where I live. The sheriff himself is the one who told me to shoot them because trying to reason with the P.O.S. cat-lovers was going nowhere, for years. It is now also legal in MANY MANY OTHER PLACES as well. Check out Utah’s new state-wide law to shoot ALL stray cats. That’s what your misguided and misplaced love for cats has caused. THIS IS ALL *YOUR* FAULT AND THE FAULT OF *EVERY* CAT-LOVER OUT THERE. Now everyone WHO ACTUALLY CARES is left to clean up the disastrous mess that wastes-of-flesh like you have created for everyone and all life on this planet.

  • Woodsman

    Let’s call this all for what it really is…

    Cats pass disease to wildlife, even in remote areas:
    http://www.labspaces.net/view_news_comments.php?newsID=110760

    Dear members of Vox Felina, members of Alley Cat Allies, and any other feral-cat advocates and feral-cat relocation groups,

    Here’s something that you really need to read:

    biological warfare n. (Abbr. BW) The use of disease-producing microorganisms, toxic biological products, or organic biocides to cause death or injury to humans, animals, or plants.

    Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/biological-warfare

    Given the above information about cats harboring dangerous biological agents that are harmful to wildlife and humans (of which you all were previously aware), as well as the cats themselves being just as harmful if not more-so (this too of which you were all aware), and the information about your TRUE territorial motives (if you weren’t aware of it before, you most certainly are now); the fact that you want to infest public and private properties with these harmful biological agents means that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU CAN AND WILL eventually be held responsible for the crimes that you are committing against all of humanity and all of nature.

    May you all rot in prisons as soon as possible.

    And as for the rest of you? It’s time to shoot all cats on sight, everywhere. It’s the only way we’ll be able to get this problem under control now. Buy a rifle, go take a gun course, and start shooting. Wear gloves when disposing of the cat-carcass by incinerating it, or burying it deeply enough so its remains won’t infect any more animals nor humans. Either that, or catch every one that you see until your lands and neighborhoods are 100% free of any roaming cats. Then have it taken in to be tested and then disposed of. It’s your time and money. Which way do you prefer to solve the problem that all these useless piece-of-s*** cat-lovers caused for the whole world?

  • mlsscue

    And REMEMBER …
    Don’t ever bother wasting your time arguing with disrespectful, inconsiderate, and ignorant cat-HATERS either, as I stupidly tried to do too many times in the past.

    What does inner city youth have to do w/what this is originally about? And for the record it’s not only the inner city kids listening to boom boxes. Wow, at the audacity to say the things you’ve said. Ditto on what Summer said. Off to write a letter to Garfield & Jon, they’ll be none to happy about this.

  • Woodsman

    Only play with cat-lovers AFTER you have gotten rid of all their cats on your land. I already did that here, except for a couple more I recently spotted. The mindless neighbors are just that amazingly stupid, after losing over 40 of them (or maybe more than that, who knows, I lost count long ago) they go and get more cats. That’s how much they think about cats, they’re just that easily expendable to them. Their cat’s days are numbered, as were the ones before. And if you can’t understand that territory analogy no wonder you’re so amazingly stupid to think that infesting the countryside with diseased animals that kill all wildlife and even humans can in any way amount to something good for anyone. Putting a cat in the hands of someone like you is like putting a crate of anthrax in the hands of a terrorist. You have absolutely NO CONCEPT of the ecological disaster that you have caused and created, do you. YOU have now caused the cat blood-bath that must now take place. This is NOBODY’S FAULT BUT YOUR OWN.

    I urge everyone who has taken even 15 minutes of their time in the last 10 years who has had to deal with cat-problem issues, to send a bill for your time and effort to your nearest feral-cat advocate. If everyone did this they’d never see the light of day again, bankrupting them all for centuries to come. I can easily charge all of them $160/hr. for 15 YEARS worth of my time and effort in my successful attempts to undo all the damage they have caused. Or maybe you should just send them a dead-cat? Put a maimed and mauled dead-cat on their doorstep every morning, to show them all what others have found every day–maimed and mauled dead animals on your lawns and property. Think they’ll get the hint? Make THEM disposes of their diseased cat-carcasses so they won’t infect any more wildlife.

    ———————

    Here’s a more well-written paragraph to explain what needs to be done now. (since editing much later is not allowed after posting)

    And as for the rest of you? If you don’t want to die or have your wildlife die from a cat just defecating in your yard or garden, it’s time to shoot all cats on sight–everywhere. It’s the only way we’ll be able to get this problem under control now. Buy a rifle, go take a firearms education course, and start shooting. Wear gloves when disposing of the cat-carcasses, by incinerating them or burying them deeply enough so their remains won’t infect any more animals nor humans. Either that, or catch every one that you see until all your lands and neighborhoods are 100% free of any roaming cats. Then have them taken in to be tested and then disposed of. Or put under monitored quarantined living conditions where they’ll never again step foot outside, lest you have to catch them and repeat this process all over again. (And we all know what happens when cats are put back in the hands of cat-lovers, don’t we. We’re dealing with that problem right now.) It’s your time and money. Which way do you prefer to solve this massive ecological-disaster that all these sociopathically irresponsible and pathetically idiotic piece-of-s*** cat-lovers caused for the whole world?

  • Amos Zeeberg (Discover Web Editor)

    This doesn’t seem like a productive or interesting discussion anymore. I’m closing the comments on this post.

  • dystopia_joe

    You must be psychotic, I’ve seen you on dozens of forums in the span of the years every time anything about cats come up. What is wrong with you dude?

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