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	<title>Comments on: New Archeology Find Buries Theory on First Americans, Re-Opening a Gaping Mystery</title>
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		<title>By: Patricia Liston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia Liston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edgar Cayce Readings indicate habitation here over 40,000 years......
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edgar Cayce Readings indicate habitation here over 40,000 years&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does this square with the 2004 Topper site, in South Carolina, which puts the first inhabitants of North America here some 50,000 years ago? Odd that this piece doesn&#039;t even mention this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this square with the 2004 Topper site, in South Carolina, which puts the first inhabitants of North America here some 50,000 years ago? Odd that this piece doesn&#8217;t even mention this.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 02:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Case S is still reading, Carbon Dioxide IS still a greenhouse gas. Usually people who don&#039;t believe in greenhouse gases or global warming, also have a beef about paying their share of taxes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Case S is still reading, Carbon Dioxide IS still a greenhouse gas. Usually people who don&#8217;t believe in greenhouse gases or global warming, also have a beef about paying their share of taxes!</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is total bs and I disagree with all of it!!! Native americans lived here first</description>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that it&#039;s not as simple as Wil makes it out to be: It&#039;s often not clear what the best theory is. Science needs people with different opinions on that to argue from different perspectives so that all possible angles are covered. Sometimes &quot;the best theory&quot; turns out to be totally wrong and the skeptics who seemed like idiots clinging to the wrong thing were right all along, but it&#039;s only because of their persistance that we realize that. Old-theory-clingers can also be useful in the opposite way - by bringing up all possible objections they can help more clearly outline what we need to know to be sure that the old theory is wrong. Of course, on the whole usually it&#039;s safest to go with what seems to be the best theory right now when extrapolating to broader world views or forming an opinion as a lay person. I am just saying that the scientists clinging to old theories can sometimes be quite useful and shouldn&#039;t be thought of as people who make bad scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say that it&#8217;s not as simple as Wil makes it out to be: It&#8217;s often not clear what the best theory is. Science needs people with different opinions on that to argue from different perspectives so that all possible angles are covered. Sometimes &#8220;the best theory&#8221; turns out to be totally wrong and the skeptics who seemed like idiots clinging to the wrong thing were right all along, but it&#8217;s only because of their persistance that we realize that. Old-theory-clingers can also be useful in the opposite way &#8211; by bringing up all possible objections they can help more clearly outline what we need to know to be sure that the old theory is wrong. Of course, on the whole usually it&#8217;s safest to go with what seems to be the best theory right now when extrapolating to broader world views or forming an opinion as a lay person. I am just saying that the scientists clinging to old theories can sometimes be quite useful and shouldn&#8217;t be thought of as people who make bad scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like an early bunch of those ignorant &#039;low tech&#039; Mexican aliens coming into our country to downgrade our gene pool.</description>
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		<title>By: Heather Spoonheim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/03/25/new-archeology-find-buries-theory-on-first-americans-re-opening-a-gaping-mystery/#comment-26138</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Spoonheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting read.  It reminds me of the findings at Hueyatlaco that produced some incredibly anomalous results that destroyed the careers of those who attempted to stand by the anomalous dating - particularly Virginia Steen McIntyre.  Although the original dating was eventually shown to be subject to potential contamination/layer disturbance, it seems to me that there can be a lot of bias at times that threatens the integrity of archeology if it remains overly judgemental of results that don&#039;t conform to accepted models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting read.  It reminds me of the findings at Hueyatlaco that produced some incredibly anomalous results that destroyed the careers of those who attempted to stand by the anomalous dating &#8211; particularly Virginia Steen McIntyre.  Although the original dating was eventually shown to be subject to potential contamination/layer disturbance, it seems to me that there can be a lot of bias at times that threatens the integrity of archeology if it remains overly judgemental of results that don&#8217;t conform to accepted models.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sang</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site for more info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site</a> for more info.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sang</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still wondering about the archaeology site at Calico California. Apparently Louis Leakey visited there and said of the stone tools found there that if he found them in Africa he would say that they were man (or prehuman) made. They were dated at 200,000 year of age or more by the geology of the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still wondering about the archaeology site at Calico California. Apparently Louis Leakey visited there and said of the stone tools found there that if he found them in Africa he would say that they were man (or prehuman) made. They were dated at 200,000 year of age or more by the geology of the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Anthrowoman. You are obviously well informed.

The only additional comment I would make is due to my stress over the use of the term &#039;adaptation&#039; in discussions on evolution. I feel that folk are misled by its use—where my experience suggests that many interpret it to mean that critters change voluntarily. If indeed there are scientists who believe that, I&#039;m anxious to hear evidence.

Genetic mutations occurring over time, even with a periodicity, have been detected or measured with techniques I&#039;m ignorant of.
If we accept this, and I do, then my view is that the prevalence of different anatomical or physiological [disposition, psychological?]* features of people (many critters) in any given region of the planet are due to the success, i.e., the advantage that those changes rendered for the members of the group (over generations) in that environment and or in mate selection. [I guess I&#039;m just a dyed-in-the-wool &#039;survival of the fittest&#039; fan.]

During conversations I&#039;ve had with people, I get the distinct impression that many &#039;understand&#039; evolution to be a choice made by individuals—that when suddenly faced with or move to a different environment, they simply decide to &quot;change&quot; [adapt] to the new circumstances. As I said, I&#039;d love to see evidence of this.

I envision migrations to new areas, across dozens of generations, where some individuals have a greater tolerance for the new environmental circumstances or demands. They survive. They live longer and foster &#039;like&#039; individuals who equally survive.
Throughout this generational journey, those ill-suited for the different environment(s) die off early and breed less, resulting in fewer and fewer of the group members over time whose makeup was better suited to the environment they left behind.

It becomes a numbers or statistical issue. Mutations occur in some offspring, likely a very small percentage, who are even better suited for the new &#039;world&#039; the group lives in, while other mutations are less suited than even those members not reflecting any mutations. The less suited individuals are less successful. Those less suited are less attractive to—are possibly even prohibited from—mating. They reproduce less or not at all. They are less able to &#039;keep up&#039; with their daily needs and probably succumb; they are possibly even  shunned by the group for a variety of reasons that one might imagine.
Those better-suited mutations accumulatively become the &#039;breeding&#039; foundation of the group in the new environment, surpassing, by their success, even the genetic lineage who simply had a better tolerance in the early days.

Over thousands of years, the resulting &#039;new&#039; group members are the product of an evolution—produced through the aid of mutations—fine-tuned to their new environment, notwithstanding &#039;throwbacks&#039; in the chromosomal &#039;crap shoot&#039; of reproduction. They did not &#039;do it&#039; to themselves—consciously—its really been done to them. To echo the father of this topic, they have been selected naturally to their environment.

Forgive me if I&#039;m sounding didactic. It&#039;s what—&#039;adaptation&#039; and my sense of folks&#039; interpretation of its use in regard to evolution—does to me!

* If you have not seen it, try to view, the next time it&#039;s aired, Dogs That Changed the World: Part One, “The Rise of the Dog”. The 40 year Russian experiment with Siberian Foxes is a revelation. One out of 100 fox offspring had a docile mood compared to the others. The premise is that prehistoric man may have encountered a similar phenomenon  exemplified in a wolf or two which may have been the precursors of dogs. Great film! And, great insight to the possibilities within genetic variation!

It provokes my thinking about personality—mood—disposition... whatever, in primates and what genetic variation research could be pursued along the line of this idea. A hint lies with the dramatic difference between common Chimpanzees and Bonobos, the latter of which, in contrast with the former, would rather make love than war. Most likely another trait somehow dictated by natural selection, it is interesting that unlike the common Chimpanzee&#039;s social order, Bonobos are more matriarchically ordered.... :-)

Cheers,
Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Anthrowoman. You are obviously well informed.</p>
<p>The only additional comment I would make is due to my stress over the use of the term &#8216;adaptation&#8217; in discussions on evolution. I feel that folk are misled by its use—where my experience suggests that many interpret it to mean that critters change voluntarily. If indeed there are scientists who believe that, I&#8217;m anxious to hear evidence.</p>
<p>Genetic mutations occurring over time, even with a periodicity, have been detected or measured with techniques I&#8217;m ignorant of.<br />
If we accept this, and I do, then my view is that the prevalence of different anatomical or physiological [disposition, psychological?]* features of people (many critters) in any given region of the planet are due to the success, i.e., the advantage that those changes rendered for the members of the group (over generations) in that environment and or in mate selection. [I guess I'm just a dyed-in-the-wool 'survival of the fittest' fan.]</p>
<p>During conversations I&#8217;ve had with people, I get the distinct impression that many &#8216;understand&#8217; evolution to be a choice made by individuals—that when suddenly faced with or move to a different environment, they simply decide to &#8220;change&#8221; [adapt] to the new circumstances. As I said, I&#8217;d love to see evidence of this.</p>
<p>I envision migrations to new areas, across dozens of generations, where some individuals have a greater tolerance for the new environmental circumstances or demands. They survive. They live longer and foster &#8216;like&#8217; individuals who equally survive.<br />
Throughout this generational journey, those ill-suited for the different environment(s) die off early and breed less, resulting in fewer and fewer of the group members over time whose makeup was better suited to the environment they left behind.</p>
<p>It becomes a numbers or statistical issue. Mutations occur in some offspring, likely a very small percentage, who are even better suited for the new &#8216;world&#8217; the group lives in, while other mutations are less suited than even those members not reflecting any mutations. The less suited individuals are less successful. Those less suited are less attractive to—are possibly even prohibited from—mating. They reproduce less or not at all. They are less able to &#8216;keep up&#8217; with their daily needs and probably succumb; they are possibly even  shunned by the group for a variety of reasons that one might imagine.<br />
Those better-suited mutations accumulatively become the &#8216;breeding&#8217; foundation of the group in the new environment, surpassing, by their success, even the genetic lineage who simply had a better tolerance in the early days.</p>
<p>Over thousands of years, the resulting &#8216;new&#8217; group members are the product of an evolution—produced through the aid of mutations—fine-tuned to their new environment, notwithstanding &#8216;throwbacks&#8217; in the chromosomal &#8216;crap shoot&#8217; of reproduction. They did not &#8216;do it&#8217; to themselves—consciously—its really been done to them. To echo the father of this topic, they have been selected naturally to their environment.</p>
<p>Forgive me if I&#8217;m sounding didactic. It&#8217;s what—&#8217;adaptation&#8217; and my sense of folks&#8217; interpretation of its use in regard to evolution—does to me!</p>
<p>* If you have not seen it, try to view, the next time it&#8217;s aired, Dogs That Changed the World: Part One, “The Rise of the Dog”. The 40 year Russian experiment with Siberian Foxes is a revelation. One out of 100 fox offspring had a docile mood compared to the others. The premise is that prehistoric man may have encountered a similar phenomenon  exemplified in a wolf or two which may have been the precursors of dogs. Great film! And, great insight to the possibilities within genetic variation!</p>
<p>It provokes my thinking about personality—mood—disposition&#8230; whatever, in primates and what genetic variation research could be pursued along the line of this idea. A hint lies with the dramatic difference between common Chimpanzees and Bonobos, the latter of which, in contrast with the former, would rather make love than war. Most likely another trait somehow dictated by natural selection, it is interesting that unlike the common Chimpanzee&#8217;s social order, Bonobos are more matriarchically ordered&#8230;. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Paul</p>
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