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	<title>Comments on: How Does Rain Mess With Bat Flight&#8212;Thermodynamics or Aerodynamics?</title>
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		<title>By: Wildlife Control</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wildlife Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 16:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additionally, most bats are insectivores. When it is raining, there is significantly decreased insect activity making food more scarce. I would be interested in a study with more variables and see which factor accounts for the most variance for the bats not flying while it is raining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, most bats are insectivores. When it is raining, there is significantly decreased insect activity making food more scarce. I would be interested in a study with more variables and see which factor accounts for the most variance for the bats not flying while it is raining.</p>
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		<title>By: eyesoars</title>
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		<dc:creator>eyesoars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or, wet fur might make the bats less aerodynamic, meaning it takes more power to fly.&lt;/i&gt;

There are real-world gliders and aircraft that suffer similarly:  for instance, the PIK-20 and Nimbus 2 gliders are notorious for performing poorly when their wings (Wortmann FX-67-K-170 airfoils) are wet -- water on the wings destroys their laminar airflow characteristics, substantially diminishing the gliders&#039; L/D ratio.  The same is true of some airliners, though to lesser degree.

It strikes me as likely in the case of bats that the very fine fur/vellum is adapted for boundary-layer control:  wetting it down would almost certainly destroy those properties.  (E.g., high-performance aircraft can be  improved by adding thin tape (0.005&quot;) to create turbulence at appropriate places, or by roughening or waxing the wing in appropriate regions.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or, wet fur might make the bats less aerodynamic, meaning it takes more power to fly.</i></p>
<p>There are real-world gliders and aircraft that suffer similarly:  for instance, the PIK-20 and Nimbus 2 gliders are notorious for performing poorly when their wings (Wortmann FX-67-K-170 airfoils) are wet &#8212; water on the wings destroys their laminar airflow characteristics, substantially diminishing the gliders&#8217; L/D ratio.  The same is true of some airliners, though to lesser degree.</p>
<p>It strikes me as likely in the case of bats that the very fine fur/vellum is adapted for boundary-layer control:  wetting it down would almost certainly destroy those properties.  (E.g., high-performance aircraft can be  improved by adding thin tape (0.005&#8243;) to create turbulence at appropriate places, or by roughening or waxing the wing in appropriate regions.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 12:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really interested bout bats but there is no harm of addition knowledge. :) Very Informative post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really interested bout bats but there is no harm of addition knowledge. :) Very Informative post.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 23:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK OK, but what I really want to know is this:

Does wet bat smell like wet dog?  If not, is it better or worse?  Discuss amongst yourselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK OK, but what I really want to know is this:</p>
<p>Does wet bat smell like wet dog?  If not, is it better or worse?  Discuss amongst yourselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Celia Su</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celia Su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 04:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s quite fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 23:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a three-week tropical ecology class in Costa Rica a few years ago, part oc which involved mist netting for bats.  I remember when I held one in my hands that it felt surprisingly warm; the little dudes do NOT have much in the way of insulation.

The other thing that&#039;s not mentioned is the difference between bat and bird wings—a bird&#039;s wing is mostly feathers, not flesh.  A bat&#039;s is entirely skin, all of which has blood vessels running through it and is very thin.  I imagine it acts like an African elephant&#039;s ear in terms of shedding heat, and that the effects of evaporative cooling on a surface area that comprises roughly 3/4 of the bat&#039;s total skin would be huge.  That&#039;s my theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a three-week tropical ecology class in Costa Rica a few years ago, part oc which involved mist netting for bats.  I remember when I held one in my hands that it felt surprisingly warm; the little dudes do NOT have much in the way of insulation.</p>
<p>The other thing that&#8217;s not mentioned is the difference between bat and bird wings—a bird&#8217;s wing is mostly feathers, not flesh.  A bat&#8217;s is entirely skin, all of which has blood vessels running through it and is very thin.  I imagine it acts like an African elephant&#8217;s ear in terms of shedding heat, and that the effects of evaporative cooling on a surface area that comprises roughly 3/4 of the bat&#8217;s total skin would be huge.  That&#8217;s my theory.</p>
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