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	<title>Comments on: Ancient Greek Knew Geology Thousands of Years Before His Time</title>
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		<title>By: Jean-Philippe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Philippe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your remarks are very interesting.
If you want, let me your email adress and I will send you the paper of this study in PDF format
jean-philippe.goiran@mom.fr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your remarks are very interesting.<br />
If you want, let me your email adress and I will send you the paper of this study in PDF format<br />
<a href="mailto:jean-philippe.goiran@mom.fr">jean-philippe.goiran@mom.fr</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY does every generation believe that those who came before couldn&#039;t Possibly be as smart or clever as they are?! Obviously, we are wrong to think that- it is proven time and again that the &quot;ancients&quot; knew as much or more about their immediate surroundings as anyone today does. They OutDid us in many ways.....yet still we malign or label lucky the ones who laid down the learning pathways we still follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY does every generation believe that those who came before couldn&#8217;t Possibly be as smart or clever as they are?! Obviously, we are wrong to think that- it is proven time and again that the &#8220;ancients&#8221; knew as much or more about their immediate surroundings as anyone today does. They OutDid us in many ways&#8230;..yet still we malign or label lucky the ones who laid down the learning pathways we still follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once was driving down a country road in central Texas with a family friend.  I asked him if he knew why the trees all leaned toward the west.  He was dumb-struck.  He had lived there 47 years, his whole life, and had never noticed.  I think people pay attention to different things and it may be difficult to acknowledge someone else&#039;s gifts just because they are different than our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once was driving down a country road in central Texas with a family friend.  I asked him if he knew why the trees all leaned toward the west.  He was dumb-struck.  He had lived there 47 years, his whole life, and had never noticed.  I think people pay attention to different things and it may be difficult to acknowledge someone else&#8217;s gifts just because they are different than our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Philippa Doran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philippa Doran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look what has happened at Troy over 3,000 years. The bay is now completely filled in
Would it be by sediment from Scamander and Simois over the millennia?
How much of that had happened by Strabo&#039;s time? Did he know that it was happening?
That might have given him a clue.

There could have been another change in coastlines after the Thera eruption. That must have caused huge tsunamis. Northern Crete would have been right in their path.
Athens is on the Eastern coast of Greece and could well have been affected too.
But one would suppose that a large tsunami would wash out a land bridge, not create one, unless it piled up the sea bed in shallow water.

Have any studies been made of possible coastline alterations at that time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look what has happened at Troy over 3,000 years. The bay is now completely filled in<br />
Would it be by sediment from Scamander and Simois over the millennia?<br />
How much of that had happened by Strabo&#8217;s time? Did he know that it was happening?<br />
That might have given him a clue.</p>
<p>There could have been another change in coastlines after the Thera eruption. That must have caused huge tsunamis. Northern Crete would have been right in their path.<br />
Athens is on the Eastern coast of Greece and could well have been affected too.<br />
But one would suppose that a large tsunami would wash out a land bridge, not create one, unless it piled up the sea bed in shallow water.</p>
<p>Have any studies been made of possible coastline alterations at that time?</p>
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		<title>By: Bromios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bromios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did they ancients know so much? Must have been a lot of lucky guesses if you listen to articles like the above. The scientific methods of the last sixty years are in many cases unrealistically lab focussed. In comparison was the Greek method of proper observation . False reports of Greek dislike of experimentation and practical applications are not true, but left overs of English Christian nineteenth century translations. Heliotropism, exempli gratia was observed by Pythagoras and Plato.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did they ancients know so much? Must have been a lot of lucky guesses if you listen to articles like the above. The scientific methods of the last sixty years are in many cases unrealistically lab focussed. In comparison was the Greek method of proper observation . False reports of Greek dislike of experimentation and practical applications are not true, but left overs of English Christian nineteenth century translations. Heliotropism, exempli gratia was observed by Pythagoras and Plato.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, maybe he just dug up some shells or other water based fossils where land now stood? I&#039;m not a geologist but every time I see fossilized shells in the soil around me I have to suspect that at one time the area I live in was under water....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, maybe he just dug up some shells or other water based fossils where land now stood? I&#8217;m not a geologist but every time I see fossilized shells in the soil around me I have to suspect that at one time the area I live in was under water&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight E. Howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight E. Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does anyone think he was doing much guessing?

He was intelligent. His people were literate so at least some data about observed changes in his environment could be based on those limited records plus he could have asked the locals about what their traditions said about local changes.  He goes to a land mass with a name suggesting it was an island. He can see a narrow neck of lowland/ marsh with little relief between the former island and the mainland. He&#039;s pretty much going to know that such locations are sediment traps and that before that marsh/lowland was filled with sediment the place would have been an island.

Learning some things requires high tech, detailed histories of long ago events, and modern day science. Figuring out others requires little more than a working brain and observation plus perhaps a few old storeis and limited written records and this is clearly in the last camp. Once you understand the location is a sediment trap all you have to do is mentally remove the sediment to understand what the location was like in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does anyone think he was doing much guessing?</p>
<p>He was intelligent. His people were literate so at least some data about observed changes in his environment could be based on those limited records plus he could have asked the locals about what their traditions said about local changes.  He goes to a land mass with a name suggesting it was an island. He can see a narrow neck of lowland/ marsh with little relief between the former island and the mainland. He&#8217;s pretty much going to know that such locations are sediment traps and that before that marsh/lowland was filled with sediment the place would have been an island.</p>
<p>Learning some things requires high tech, detailed histories of long ago events, and modern day science. Figuring out others requires little more than a working brain and observation plus perhaps a few old storeis and limited written records and this is clearly in the last camp. Once you understand the location is a sediment trap all you have to do is mentally remove the sediment to understand what the location was like in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: reidh</title>
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		<dc:creator>reidh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Some people had drawn a map?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Some people had drawn a map?</p>
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		<title>By: James Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Error</description>
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		<title>By: James Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother as a child, back in the 1950&#039;s, remembers that area and Kalitheia having fresh water marshes, so it is very possible that even in the 1st century B.C.E there were still marshes just as there was in the 50&#039;s! After all it wasn&#039;t until the 1960&#039;s-70&#039;s that both rivers in Athens were covered and controlled to change the local landscape. It is quite amazing how quickly an environment can change due to human interference and how quickly things are forgotten. So this may be one other option to his accuracy to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother as a child, back in the 1950&#8242;s, remembers that area and Kalitheia having fresh water marshes, so it is very possible that even in the 1st century B.C.E there were still marshes just as there was in the 50&#8242;s! After all it wasn&#8217;t until the 1960&#8242;s-70&#8242;s that both rivers in Athens were covered and controlled to change the local landscape. It is quite amazing how quickly an environment can change due to human interference and how quickly things are forgotten. So this may be one other option to his accuracy to consider.</p>
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