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	<title>Comments on: Study: Stephen Jay Gould, Crusader Against Scientific Bias, Was Guilty of It</title>
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		<title>By: Kiwiguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiwiguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***assuming the (equally unproven) correlation between brain size and intelligence,***

@ Paula Stiles,

&quot;Imaging studies of intelligence and brain structure. Correlations between intelligence and total brain volume or grey matter volume have been replicated in magnetic
resonance imaging (MRI) studies, to the extent that intelligence is now commonly used as a confounding variable in morphometric studies of disease. MRI-based studies estimate a moderate correlation between brain size and intelligence of 0.40 to 0.51 (REF. 28; see REF. 29 on interpreting this correlation, and REF. 30 for a meta-analysis). 

NEUROBIOLOGY OF INTELLIGENCE: SCIENCE AND ETHICS, NATURE REVIEWS &#124; NEUROSCIENCE VOLUME 5 &#124; JUNE 2004

http://www.yale.edu/scan/GT_2004_NRN.pdf </description>
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<p>@ Paula Stiles,</p>
<p>&#8220;Imaging studies of intelligence and brain structure. Correlations between intelligence and total brain volume or grey matter volume have been replicated in magnetic<br />
resonance imaging (MRI) studies, to the extent that intelligence is now commonly used as a confounding variable in morphometric studies of disease. MRI-based studies estimate a moderate correlation between brain size and intelligence of 0.40 to 0.51 (REF. 28; see REF. 29 on interpreting this correlation, and REF. 30 for a meta-analysis). </p>
<p>NEUROBIOLOGY OF INTELLIGENCE: SCIENCE AND ETHICS, NATURE REVIEWS | NEUROSCIENCE VOLUME 5 | JUNE 2004</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yale.edu/scan/GT_2004_NRN.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.yale.edu/scan/GT_2004_NRN.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lakita Thomure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lakita Thomure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful website. Plenty of useful info here. I’m sending it to a few friends ans also sharing in delicious. And certainly, thanks for your effort!</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sagan and nuclear winter. The late Stephen Schneider discusses his falling out with his friend,  Carl Sagan, over the nuclear winter issue in his book Science as a Contact Sport. Sagan ran with the nuclear winter idea even though evidence against it was very strong, and Schneider had the unpleasant task of contradicting Sagan. He writes how Sagan ignored evidence that contradicted his idea even though he&#039;d just discussed it with him (Schneider). Sagan also misrepresented the findings of at least one of the papers he used as evidence. 

Both men put their differences behind them a few years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sagan and nuclear winter. The late Stephen Schneider discusses his falling out with his friend,  Carl Sagan, over the nuclear winter issue in his book Science as a Contact Sport. Sagan ran with the nuclear winter idea even though evidence against it was very strong, and Schneider had the unpleasant task of contradicting Sagan. He writes how Sagan ignored evidence that contradicted his idea even though he&#8217;d just discussed it with him (Schneider). Sagan also misrepresented the findings of at least one of the papers he used as evidence. </p>
<p>Both men put their differences behind them a few years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N. 22 you nailed it. not enough numbers to conclude anything.  im amazed we (well, lewis et al. and everybody else) ignore this</description>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note  Gould  was among the &#039;et al.&#039; s in  Sagan &amp; Ehrlich&#039;s original &#039;nuclear winter &#039; papers. 

Ehrlich, Paul R., et al., &quot;Long-Term Biological Consequences of Nuclear War.&quot; Science 222 (1983): 1293-1300.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note  Gould  was among the &#8216;et al.&#8217; s in  Sagan &amp; Ehrlich&#8217;s original &#8216;nuclear winter &#8216; papers. </p>
<p>Ehrlich, Paul R., et al., &#8220;Long-Term Biological Consequences of Nuclear War.&#8221; Science 222 (1983): 1293-1300.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Chamberlain

Thanks for pointing out the evidentiary bias in Wikipedia&#039;s treatment of nuclear winter. The real question is : Why other to correct it if it gives its author&#039;s joy?


Nothing succeeds like semantic aggression  and the scientific  meltdown of the original apocalyptic  hypothesis  has  no more removed the neologism  from use than the remaindering   of the book Sagan and Ehrlich wrote to tout  it.  Not much air time is wasted nowadays on warnings about   The Energy Crisis and  Y2K,  and the only folks dedicated to keeping nuclear winter alive are those who  invested  their credibility in the original , apocalyptic hypothesis. One arrived at by invoking the precautionary principle to justify worst-case values for  all thirty of the parameter choices that went into  what was bizarrely styled &quot; a sophisticated one dimensional model.&quot;

Their collective problem is that , thanks to the PR firm hired to promote it, the original hype was so over the top  that  sober research could only drive the topic in one direction.  Down- , by two orders of magnitude from a 22,000 degree day  worst case in  the 1983 climate  model to  just a few hundred today- replacing   twenty below zero with single degree cooling  means no more snowball earth. 

After Sagan jumped the shark on the Kuwait fires, , the literature flatlined , The spectacle of the original  researchers  writing  &#039;review articles &#039; about their own work  has not done much to redeem the subject, but their perseverance in front loading  the Wiki with Cold War factoids  reminds us that one of science&#039;s Ten Commandments:  Thou shalt not covet thine own hypothesis is often more honored in the breech than the observance.  Sagan&#039;s insistence that &quot;Apocalyptic predictions demand , if they are to be taken seriously, higher standards of evidence &quot; has come full circle --  history is  full of prophets of doom who fail to deliver.

Nuclear winter wasn&#039;t shot down by  the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Beck&#039;s of the 1980&#039;s . It took climate scientists  of impeccably liberal credentials  who feared for the credibility of their profession on the eve of the global warming debate to rein in Sagan&#039;s ill starred end run on the Nobel peace prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Chamberlain</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out the evidentiary bias in Wikipedia&#8217;s treatment of nuclear winter. The real question is : Why other to correct it if it gives its author&#8217;s joy?</p>
<p>Nothing succeeds like semantic aggression  and the scientific  meltdown of the original apocalyptic  hypothesis  has  no more removed the neologism  from use than the remaindering   of the book Sagan and Ehrlich wrote to tout  it.  Not much air time is wasted nowadays on warnings about   The Energy Crisis and  Y2K,  and the only folks dedicated to keeping nuclear winter alive are those who  invested  their credibility in the original , apocalyptic hypothesis. One arrived at by invoking the precautionary principle to justify worst-case values for  all thirty of the parameter choices that went into  what was bizarrely styled &#8221; a sophisticated one dimensional model.&#8221;</p>
<p>Their collective problem is that , thanks to the PR firm hired to promote it, the original hype was so over the top  that  sober research could only drive the topic in one direction.  Down- , by two orders of magnitude from a 22,000 degree day  worst case in  the 1983 climate  model to  just a few hundred today- replacing   twenty below zero with single degree cooling  means no more snowball earth. </p>
<p>After Sagan jumped the shark on the Kuwait fires, , the literature flatlined , The spectacle of the original  researchers  writing  &#8216;review articles &#8216; about their own work  has not done much to redeem the subject, but their perseverance in front loading  the Wiki with Cold War factoids  reminds us that one of science&#8217;s Ten Commandments:  Thou shalt not covet thine own hypothesis is often more honored in the breech than the observance.  Sagan&#8217;s insistence that &#8220;Apocalyptic predictions demand , if they are to be taken seriously, higher standards of evidence &#8221; has come full circle &#8212;  history is  full of prophets of doom who fail to deliver.</p>
<p>Nuclear winter wasn&#8217;t shot down by  the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Beck&#8217;s of the 1980&#8242;s . It took climate scientists  of impeccably liberal credentials  who feared for the credibility of their profession on the eve of the global warming debate to rein in Sagan&#8217;s ill starred end run on the Nobel peace prize.</p>
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		<title>By: Day Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Day Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared Diamond followed a New Guinea Highlander into the forest &amp; listened to him expound for hours on the minutiae of the flora &amp; fauna drawing on an encyclopaedic scale database in his head. Back in the village, when he cannot remember all this, the villagers think Diamond is retarded; yet the same men cant deal with simple algebra. Who is it that getsta decide what &#039;intelligence&#039; is? 

Missing from the analysis is the ratio of grey to white matter. The white cushions the grey, and increases if a skull is subjected to blows, especially in childhood. Also, its what causes boxers to be &#039;punch drunk&#039;.  Nobody measured the cost of non-white moms not making sure their kids wore helmets on bikes, or tolerating the rougher play or what we think is physical abuse.

Missing from the analysis also is consideration of the cultural effect of Europeans needing to spend so much time packed in together every winter to stay warm, and the intolerance of physical violence cause the kids and women are close enuf to be &quot;ancillary casualties&quot;.  

This has something to do with why tropical hunting tribes have 20 times the signs of parry fractures in their graveyards compared to European yeoman farmers. Note also how commonly photos of African men show the front teeth bashed out, while our Neanderthal ancestors died with fuller dental sets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared Diamond followed a New Guinea Highlander into the forest &amp; listened to him expound for hours on the minutiae of the flora &amp; fauna drawing on an encyclopaedic scale database in his head. Back in the village, when he cannot remember all this, the villagers think Diamond is retarded; yet the same men cant deal with simple algebra. Who is it that getsta decide what &#8216;intelligence&#8217; is? </p>
<p>Missing from the analysis is the ratio of grey to white matter. The white cushions the grey, and increases if a skull is subjected to blows, especially in childhood. Also, its what causes boxers to be &#8216;punch drunk&#8217;.  Nobody measured the cost of non-white moms not making sure their kids wore helmets on bikes, or tolerating the rougher play or what we think is physical abuse.</p>
<p>Missing from the analysis also is consideration of the cultural effect of Europeans needing to spend so much time packed in together every winter to stay warm, and the intolerance of physical violence cause the kids and women are close enuf to be &#8220;ancillary casualties&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This has something to do with why tropical hunting tribes have 20 times the signs of parry fractures in their graveyards compared to European yeoman farmers. Note also how commonly photos of African men show the front teeth bashed out, while our Neanderthal ancestors died with fuller dental sets.</p>
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		<title>By: Demian W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demian W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the size of brain but the density of the connections that counts.  To be fast and loose with my references I believe that current brain research on invdividuals over 50 show a prononced reduction of brain size over time.  Before this was used to explain senility and alzheimers.  The research actually found that over time the brain&#039;s connections did not disapear but instead grew denser.  So the only effect is a reduced short term memory capacity, but no actual reduction in intelligence.  I do not doubt that this translates to this discussion and that size does not in essence determine intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the size of brain but the density of the connections that counts.  To be fast and loose with my references I believe that current brain research on invdividuals over 50 show a prononced reduction of brain size over time.  Before this was used to explain senility and alzheimers.  The research actually found that over time the brain&#8217;s connections did not disapear but instead grew denser.  So the only effect is a reduced short term memory capacity, but no actual reduction in intelligence.  I do not doubt that this translates to this discussion and that size does not in essence determine intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula Stiles writes, &quot;I find it curious that in the midst of all this schadenfreude about Gould (who, admittedly, had his faults), neither the article nor anyone commenting has addressed the reason why Morton measured the skulls in the first place–to support his hypothesis that white men were smarter than anybody else (Actually, I’m not sure he even bothered with measuring women, since most men of his day just assumed women were dumber than men).&quot;

A. He did measure the skulls of women. 
B. The paper does discuss the reasons why Morton measured the skulls. It was in hopes of figuring out whether humans were one species or several, one of the biggest questions of the day. Morton doesn&#039;t really mention intelligence at all.
C. So Morton didn&#039;t go in assuming that brain size and intelligence were correlated. In fact, he wrote the opposite: &quot;A well-formed head is no evidence of superior intellect.&quot;
D. Gould&#039;s mistakes go well beyond just failing to &quot;fact check&quot; Morton&#039;s measurement - read the paper or some of the more thorough coverage.
E. It was 1000 skulls, not 100. And the paper discusses the impact of stature and sex.
F. Nobody said Morton was unbiased. In fact, the point is that Morton *was* biased. But his measurements and reporting of them were not (contra Gould).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula Stiles writes, &#8220;I find it curious that in the midst of all this schadenfreude about Gould (who, admittedly, had his faults), neither the article nor anyone commenting has addressed the reason why Morton measured the skulls in the first place–to support his hypothesis that white men were smarter than anybody else (Actually, I’m not sure he even bothered with measuring women, since most men of his day just assumed women were dumber than men).&#8221;</p>
<p>A. He did measure the skulls of women.<br />
B. The paper does discuss the reasons why Morton measured the skulls. It was in hopes of figuring out whether humans were one species or several, one of the biggest questions of the day. Morton doesn&#8217;t really mention intelligence at all.<br />
C. So Morton didn&#8217;t go in assuming that brain size and intelligence were correlated. In fact, he wrote the opposite: &#8220;A well-formed head is no evidence of superior intellect.&#8221;<br />
D. Gould&#8217;s mistakes go well beyond just failing to &#8220;fact check&#8221; Morton&#8217;s measurement &#8211; read the paper or some of the more thorough coverage.<br />
E. It was 1000 skulls, not 100. And the paper discusses the impact of stature and sex.<br />
F. Nobody said Morton was unbiased. In fact, the point is that Morton *was* biased. But his measurements and reporting of them were not (contra Gould).</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Stiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula Stiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it curious that in the midst of all this schadenfreude about Gould (who, admittedly, had his faults), neither the article nor anyone commenting has addressed the reason why Morton measured the skulls in the first place--to support his hypothesis that white men were smarter than anybody else (Actually, I&#039;m not sure he even bothered with measuring women, since most men of his day just assumed women were dumber than men). That hypothesis remains, at best, unproven. If normal variations in brain size (or even just skull capacity, which isn&#039;t necessarily the same thing) have *any* bearing on intelligence, I&#039;d like to see the study that bears that out. 

Gould fudging (well, not fact-checking Morton&#039;s measurements would be more accurate) his attack on Morton&#039;s findings does not change the importance of Gould&#039;s critique. If Morton had not gone into his study with the (unproven) conviction that white men were smarter than everyone else, assuming the (equally unproven) correlation between brain size and intelligence, he wouldn&#039;t have measured all of those skulls, and noted each one&#039;s race, in the first place.

So, yeah, Gould&#039;s assertion that Morton was operating based on unconscious bias should still stand. And while it&#039;s good to know that Morton&#039;s methods within the study were sound (especially since Morton was a major and respected founder of anthropology), it doesn&#039;t change the many statements he made that clearly showed his racial bias. There is no evidence he would ever have concluded that any other race was more intelligent (i.e. had larger skulls) than white men, whatever his findings, and a great deal of evidence that he was absolutely set on proving the opposite, to the point where Gould found him an easy target a century and a half later. 

For example, how much do we know about Morton&#039;s selection process of these skulls as representative of their race, and his elimination of outliers in a given racial group? And what about Morton&#039;s claim that Egyptians were white and not &quot;African&quot;, because the Ancient Egyptians he studied did not fit his assumptions about what Africans should look like?

Also, it&#039;s been a while since I took statistics, but 100 skulls strikes me as a pretty small study sample to represent all of the world&#039;s races, especially when not taking into consideration factors we would automatically include now, such as diet and environment, because they would affect things, such as the individual&#039;s height and weight, that would certainly affect the size of any individual&#039;s skull. It seems to me that all this study&#039;s authors have really proven is that Gould did a bit of fudging, himself, not that Morton held no bias, or even held less bias than Gould.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it curious that in the midst of all this schadenfreude about Gould (who, admittedly, had his faults), neither the article nor anyone commenting has addressed the reason why Morton measured the skulls in the first place&#8211;to support his hypothesis that white men were smarter than anybody else (Actually, I&#8217;m not sure he even bothered with measuring women, since most men of his day just assumed women were dumber than men). That hypothesis remains, at best, unproven. If normal variations in brain size (or even just skull capacity, which isn&#8217;t necessarily the same thing) have *any* bearing on intelligence, I&#8217;d like to see the study that bears that out. </p>
<p>Gould fudging (well, not fact-checking Morton&#8217;s measurements would be more accurate) his attack on Morton&#8217;s findings does not change the importance of Gould&#8217;s critique. If Morton had not gone into his study with the (unproven) conviction that white men were smarter than everyone else, assuming the (equally unproven) correlation between brain size and intelligence, he wouldn&#8217;t have measured all of those skulls, and noted each one&#8217;s race, in the first place.</p>
<p>So, yeah, Gould&#8217;s assertion that Morton was operating based on unconscious bias should still stand. And while it&#8217;s good to know that Morton&#8217;s methods within the study were sound (especially since Morton was a major and respected founder of anthropology), it doesn&#8217;t change the many statements he made that clearly showed his racial bias. There is no evidence he would ever have concluded that any other race was more intelligent (i.e. had larger skulls) than white men, whatever his findings, and a great deal of evidence that he was absolutely set on proving the opposite, to the point where Gould found him an easy target a century and a half later. </p>
<p>For example, how much do we know about Morton&#8217;s selection process of these skulls as representative of their race, and his elimination of outliers in a given racial group? And what about Morton&#8217;s claim that Egyptians were white and not &#8220;African&#8221;, because the Ancient Egyptians he studied did not fit his assumptions about what Africans should look like?</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s been a while since I took statistics, but 100 skulls strikes me as a pretty small study sample to represent all of the world&#8217;s races, especially when not taking into consideration factors we would automatically include now, such as diet and environment, because they would affect things, such as the individual&#8217;s height and weight, that would certainly affect the size of any individual&#8217;s skull. It seems to me that all this study&#8217;s authors have really proven is that Gould did a bit of fudging, himself, not that Morton held no bias, or even held less bias than Gould.</p>
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		<title>By: dave chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Kent, maybe you should head over to Wikipedia and correct it because it contradicts you. Carl Sagan got it wrong on the the effects of the first Gulf War Oil fires, no doubt. But according to Wikipedia he did not do state anything near to what you said he did. He was a very imaginative scientist  and he made mistakes, but he made his mistakes the right right way, through hypothesis, sometimes later to be proved wrong, sometimes later to be accepted as groundbreaking. Steven Gould used the bully pulpit to attack ideas and people he opposed, big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Kent, maybe you should head over to Wikipedia and correct it because it contradicts you. Carl Sagan got it wrong on the the effects of the first Gulf War Oil fires, no doubt. But according to Wikipedia he did not do state anything near to what you said he did. He was a very imaginative scientist  and he made mistakes, but he made his mistakes the right right way, through hypothesis, sometimes later to be proved wrong, sometimes later to be accepted as groundbreaking. Steven Gould used the bully pulpit to attack ideas and people he opposed, big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Carl Sagan

In the lead-up to the first Iraq war, Carl Sagan claimed that the research of he and his colleagues demonstrated unequivocally that if a small fraction of Iraq&#039;s oil wells were set alight, the smoke would lead to a snowball earth. He used this argument on every major news program to argue against the war. A few scientists did indeed say at the time that there was no basis for Sagan&#039;s claims, but he was a celebrity and garnered all the media attention.

In the end Saddam lit way more wells than Sagan was worried about, and they burned longer than anyone anticipated. And the result was... nothing.</description>
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<p>In the lead-up to the first Iraq war, Carl Sagan claimed that the research of he and his colleagues demonstrated unequivocally that if a small fraction of Iraq&#8217;s oil wells were set alight, the smoke would lead to a snowball earth. He used this argument on every major news program to argue against the war. A few scientists did indeed say at the time that there was no basis for Sagan&#8217;s claims, but he was a celebrity and garnered all the media attention.</p>
<p>In the end Saddam lit way more wells than Sagan was worried about, and they burned longer than anyone anticipated. And the result was&#8230; nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, science is littered with bias coloring results, so why pick on Gould?  As they say, paradigms die one old scientist at a time.  And paradigm is just systematic bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, science is littered with bias coloring results, so why pick on Gould?  As they say, paradigms die one old scientist at a time.  And paradigm is just systematic bias.</p>
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		<title>By: dave chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first comment by Kent is wrong twice. First of all Carl Sagan and Steven Jay Gould are simply not comparable on the issue this thread addresses, namely committing scientific sacrilege by cooking the evidence. Secondly their slants, wrong or right, have absolutely nothing to do the Rush Limbaughs of the world being very popular. If Carl Sagan was wrong isn&#039;t the point, cutting edge deep thinking scientists are more often wrong than right with their initial hypothesis, the point here is you can&#039;t make shit up in science, Gould did and Sagan did not. Carl Sagan was deeply fearful that the human race was going to extinguish itself because the general population was incredibly flawed in it&#039;s ability to perform critical thinking. I think the best evidence of this is the popularity of babbling talk show idiots like Rush Limbaugh. Sagan and Gould have nothing to do with their being a seething mass of fools in the world. I have enormous respect for Carl Sagan the scientist and to have him associated with a man who committed the cardinal sin of science is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first comment by Kent is wrong twice. First of all Carl Sagan and Steven Jay Gould are simply not comparable on the issue this thread addresses, namely committing scientific sacrilege by cooking the evidence. Secondly their slants, wrong or right, have absolutely nothing to do the Rush Limbaughs of the world being very popular. If Carl Sagan was wrong isn&#8217;t the point, cutting edge deep thinking scientists are more often wrong than right with their initial hypothesis, the point here is you can&#8217;t make shit up in science, Gould did and Sagan did not. Carl Sagan was deeply fearful that the human race was going to extinguish itself because the general population was incredibly flawed in it&#8217;s ability to perform critical thinking. I think the best evidence of this is the popularity of babbling talk show idiots like Rush Limbaugh. Sagan and Gould have nothing to do with their being a seething mass of fools in the world. I have enormous respect for Carl Sagan the scientist and to have him associated with a man who committed the cardinal sin of science is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Gosling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Gosling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gould and Darwin and all of us are biased, even the best scientists are guilty of it. It is the way our brains work. Check out Graham Lawton&#039;s article, &quot;The Grand Delusion&quot; in NewScientist magazine (May 14). That is why we value peer review, and repeated testing of hypotheses. No big deal. Gould and Darwin get the bad publicity but the rest of us hide our every day bias in anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gould and Darwin and all of us are biased, even the best scientists are guilty of it. It is the way our brains work. Check out Graham Lawton&#8217;s article, &#8220;The Grand Delusion&#8221; in NewScientist magazine (May 14). That is why we value peer review, and repeated testing of hypotheses. No big deal. Gould and Darwin get the bad publicity but the rest of us hide our every day bias in anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Veronique Greenwood (#8).  No charge for my editorial service, this time, and glad you responded (but I note that the short blurb version on the email notice still contains the error).  And thanks for the address for &quot;suggestions.&quot;  I think those Irony albums need to be reissued, so thanks for the reminder.  Great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Veronique Greenwood (#8).  No charge for my editorial service, this time, and glad you responded (but I note that the short blurb version on the email notice still contains the error).  And thanks for the address for &#8220;suggestions.&#8221;  I think those Irony albums need to be reissued, so thanks for the reminder.  Great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kilgoretrout, Sagan had enough evidence to get an article published in Science &quot;Nuclear Winter: Global Consequences of Multiple Nuclear Explosions&quot; although I haven&#039;t read it. Also the concept has survived and the evidence has become stronger over the years, so it is likely that Sagan was right, although it would be preferable not to find out for certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kilgoretrout, Sagan had enough evidence to get an article published in Science &#8220;Nuclear Winter: Global Consequences of Multiple Nuclear Explosions&#8221; although I haven&#8217;t read it. Also the concept has survived and the evidence has become stronger over the years, so it is likely that Sagan was right, although it would be preferable not to find out for certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Both espoused laudable ends, fighting erroneous racial stereotyping and nuclear disarmament. &quot;

It would appear that the racial stereotyping being &quot;fought&quot; was not of the erroneous variety.  As to whether nuclear disarmament was or is a laudable goal, I suppose that is a subject for debate. The accusation, however, was that Carl Sagan chose his &quot;scientific truths&quot; so as to fit his leftist agenda. Just like Gould.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Both espoused laudable ends, fighting erroneous racial stereotyping and nuclear disarmament. &#8221;</p>
<p>It would appear that the racial stereotyping being &#8220;fought&#8221; was not of the erroneous variety.  As to whether nuclear disarmament was or is a laudable goal, I suppose that is a subject for debate. The accusation, however, was that Carl Sagan chose his &#8220;scientific truths&#8221; so as to fit his leftist agenda. Just like Gould.</p>
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		<title>By: SP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO, do  present day Europeans have larger skulls than people from present day African decent? The article does not seem to come to a conclusion?</description>
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		<title>By: Jockaira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jockaira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait! What? Setting off a bunch of nukes won&#039;t start a nuclear winter? What a relief!

I can get back to my project of World Domination. First thing, I&#039;ve got to cycle all these babies up to &quot;ready status&quot; and then figure out which cities and countries deserve to be targeted.

I hope you&#039;re right about Sagan, I&#039;d hate to destroy half the planet for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait! What? Setting off a bunch of nukes won&#8217;t start a nuclear winter? What a relief!</p>
<p>I can get back to my project of World Domination. First thing, I&#8217;ve got to cycle all these babies up to &#8220;ready status&#8221; and then figure out which cities and countries deserve to be targeted.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re right about Sagan, I&#8217;d hate to destroy half the planet for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: kilgoretrout</title>
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		<dc:creator>kilgoretrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did Sagan commit sloppy or biased research to support of his conclusions? If so, then I think there’s a better case for a parallel with the case against Gould.&quot;

You are right. He did absolutely no research to support his conclusions on nuclear winter.  But he did publicly espouse them on national broadcasts to a lay audience of millions as if they were fact and supported by good science. And he did so to advance his political agenda for nuclear disarmament. The parallels to Gould are quite obvious to me. Both espoused laudable ends, fighting erroneous racial stereotyping and nuclear disarmament. And both used duplicitous means to advance those ends as supported by &quot;Science&quot;. While both undoubtedly did many other wonderful and noteworthy things, in these instances they were plainly wrong. The damage done to science&#039;s reputation by this ends justify the means mentality should not be underestimated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did Sagan commit sloppy or biased research to support of his conclusions? If so, then I think there’s a better case for a parallel with the case against Gould.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are right. He did absolutely no research to support his conclusions on nuclear winter.  But he did publicly espouse them on national broadcasts to a lay audience of millions as if they were fact and supported by good science. And he did so to advance his political agenda for nuclear disarmament. The parallels to Gould are quite obvious to me. Both espoused laudable ends, fighting erroneous racial stereotyping and nuclear disarmament. And both used duplicitous means to advance those ends as supported by &#8220;Science&#8221;. While both undoubtedly did many other wonderful and noteworthy things, in these instances they were plainly wrong. The damage done to science&#8217;s reputation by this ends justify the means mentality should not be underestimated.</p>
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		<title>By: JMW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always easier to fight for one&#039;s principles than to live up to them.  Alfred Adler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always easier to fight for one&#8217;s principles than to live up to them.  Alfred Adler</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Lerch writes, &quot;The fact that the authors found there was a systematic slant BUT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION suggests that Morton may indeed have created at least some of the data.&quot; There was no *systematic* slant in Morton&#039;s data. Most all of his measurements (98%) were correct. And there was no real pattern to his errors, in any &quot;direction.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Lerch writes, &#8220;The fact that the authors found there was a systematic slant BUT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION suggests that Morton may indeed have created at least some of the data.&#8221; There was no *systematic* slant in Morton&#8217;s data. Most all of his measurements (98%) were correct. And there was no real pattern to his errors, in any &#8220;direction.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Veronique Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronique Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben Wise, &quot;mis&quot; added. Actually, we are big fans of irony. We have all the albums going back to 1973.

If you&#039;ve got suggestions, consider sending them to azeeberg [at] discovermagazine [dot] com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben Wise, &#8220;mis&#8221; added. Actually, we are big fans of irony. We have all the albums going back to 1973.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got suggestions, consider sending them to azeeberg [at] discovermagazine [dot] com.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does nothing embarrass the editors of 80 Beats?  It&#039;s hard enough to bear their conceit in cutsey section titles (How the Heck; Not So Fast; etc.), and now in the midst of an article decrying S. J. Gould&#039;s alleged inaccuracies, they utterly mistitle the book they are attacking (it&#039;s The Mismeasure of Man).  If nothing else, Gould possessed an exquisite sense of irony, something the editors could use a good dose of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does nothing embarrass the editors of 80 Beats?  It&#8217;s hard enough to bear their conceit in cutsey section titles (How the Heck; Not So Fast; etc.), and now in the midst of an article decrying S. J. Gould&#8217;s alleged inaccuracies, they utterly mistitle the book they are attacking (it&#8217;s The Mismeasure of Man).  If nothing else, Gould possessed an exquisite sense of irony, something the editors could use a good dose of.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lerch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lerch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the larger issue re Gould is: What evidence did he marshall for his assertion?  This article seems to imply that he asserted that the bias was true without citing any evidence to that fact.  Was there some systematic slant to the measurements which suggesting fudging?  The fact that the authors found there was a systematic slant BUT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION suggests that Morton may indeed have created at least some of the data.  The fact that the data was in the wrong direction might have shown up as fudging without giving a measure of whether the fudging was in the correct direction to support bias toward the hypothesis.
This question of bias AWAY FROM the hypothesis is relevant to another issue alluded to above--CO2 induced climate change.  There does indeed seem to be some manipulation; but the manipulation seems to be because the unbiased recognizers of climate change try to downplay the results so the greedy toady types who deny anthropogenic climate change have a smaller target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the larger issue re Gould is: What evidence did he marshall for his assertion?  This article seems to imply that he asserted that the bias was true without citing any evidence to that fact.  Was there some systematic slant to the measurements which suggesting fudging?  The fact that the authors found there was a systematic slant BUT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION suggests that Morton may indeed have created at least some of the data.  The fact that the data was in the wrong direction might have shown up as fudging without giving a measure of whether the fudging was in the correct direction to support bias toward the hypothesis.<br />
This question of bias AWAY FROM the hypothesis is relevant to another issue alluded to above&#8211;CO2 induced climate change.  There does indeed seem to be some manipulation; but the manipulation seems to be because the unbiased recognizers of climate change try to downplay the results so the greedy toady types who deny anthropogenic climate change have a smaller target.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bruggeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bruggeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Sagan commit sloppy or biased research to support of his conclusions?  If so, then I think there&#039;s a better case for a parallel with the case against Gould.

However, if the issue with Sagan is one over interpretation and extrapolation from theory, I think that&#039;s a different kind of issue, and one that might be closer to debates over models in string theory, where effective experimentation on the issue at hand is difficult, if not impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Sagan commit sloppy or biased research to support of his conclusions?  If so, then I think there&#8217;s a better case for a parallel with the case against Gould.</p>
<p>However, if the issue with Sagan is one over interpretation and extrapolation from theory, I think that&#8217;s a different kind of issue, and one that might be closer to debates over models in string theory, where effective experimentation on the issue at hand is difficult, if not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: kilgoretrout</title>
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		<dc:creator>kilgoretrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kent, maybe you could be bothered to provide evidence of the charge you aim at Carl Sagan?&quot;

I can do that for you in two words - Nuclear Winter. There wasn&#039;t a shred of evidence to support the contention that a nuclear exchange would trigger a nuclear winter as espoused by Mr. Sagan. No one ever wanted to call him on it because no one wanted to appear to be in favor of a nuclear war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kent, maybe you could be bothered to provide evidence of the charge you aim at Carl Sagan?&#8221;</p>
<p>I can do that for you in two words &#8211; Nuclear Winter. There wasn&#8217;t a shred of evidence to support the contention that a nuclear exchange would trigger a nuclear winter as espoused by Mr. Sagan. No one ever wanted to call him on it because no one wanted to appear to be in favor of a nuclear war.</p>
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		<title>By: js</title>
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		<dc:creator>js</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make Pat&#039;s words my own, I&#039;m unaware of any evidence that would even come close to putting Sagan in the same light.</description>
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		<title>By: Pat Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent, maybe you could be bothered to provide evidence of the charge you aim at Carl Sagan?</description>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gould and Carl Sagan have similar legacies: both were great proponents of science who did a lot of good until they became celebrities and abused their scientific credentials to push their personal political agendas. I have great fondness for both, but at the same time I also feel a lot of contempt for how they set themselves up as examples for the Rush Limbaughs of the world to use to argue that scientists cannot be trusted as impartial sources of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gould and Carl Sagan have similar legacies: both were great proponents of science who did a lot of good until they became celebrities and abused their scientific credentials to push their personal political agendas. I have great fondness for both, but at the same time I also feel a lot of contempt for how they set themselves up as examples for the Rush Limbaughs of the world to use to argue that scientists cannot be trusted as impartial sources of information.</p>
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