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	<title>Comments on: Youngest Dinosaur Bone Yet Reawakens Extinction Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just thrilled with this find for a multitude of reasons, chief among which are that my son, Stephen Chester, was the one who stumbled upon this find during a break in Montana where they were digging for pre-primate fossils, not dinosaurs. Stephen is an author on the Biology Letters article on this find.  He&#039;s a Phd student in vertebrate paleontology at Yale. Tyler
his friend and roommate, is lead author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just thrilled with this find for a multitude of reasons, chief among which are that my son, Stephen Chester, was the one who stumbled upon this find during a break in Montana where they were digging for pre-primate fossils, not dinosaurs. Stephen is an author on the Biology Letters article on this find.  He&#8217;s a Phd student in vertebrate paleontology at Yale. Tyler<br />
his friend and roommate, is lead author.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 00:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not mutually exclusive. Some paleontologists have suggested that the dinosaurs were already on their way out (or at least very weakened), and the astroid was the coup de grace that finally did them in.

It&#039;s certainly possible, and I think even likely. It&#039;s often the case that extinction events have multiple causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not mutually exclusive. Some paleontologists have suggested that the dinosaurs were already on their way out (or at least very weakened), and the astroid was the coup de grace that finally did them in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly possible, and I think even likely. It&#8217;s often the case that extinction events have multiple causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Geack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -

Presumably, if the bone&#039;s location could be so easily explained away, it wouldn&#039;t be making such a splash.  These people do this for a living - it&#039;s generally safe to assume that issues like this are well-resolved before anyone bases any major claims on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike -</p>
<p>Presumably, if the bone&#8217;s location could be so easily explained away, it wouldn&#8217;t be making such a splash.  These people do this for a living &#8211; it&#8217;s generally safe to assume that issues like this are well-resolved before anyone bases any major claims on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Magee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Magee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“This demonstrates that dinosaurs did not go extinct prior to the impact and that at least some dinosaurs were doing very well right up until we had the impact”

I do not see how Lyson et al can be so assured that their discovery proves the animal was alive so close to the KT boundary. I mean, can they exclude that the bone was near the surface because deposits above had been eroded away, the animal having been buried for several millions years? The animal could have been fossilized in river mud as mudstone which later was pushed up by seismic action and then the surface eroded back to leave the bone just below the new surface. It is geologically common, so cannot be excluded surely.

I am not defending the thesis that the dinosaurs were long dead when the asteroid fell, just questioning the assurance of the claim that this proves they were not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This demonstrates that dinosaurs did not go extinct prior to the impact and that at least some dinosaurs were doing very well right up until we had the impact”</p>
<p>I do not see how Lyson et al can be so assured that their discovery proves the animal was alive so close to the KT boundary. I mean, can they exclude that the bone was near the surface because deposits above had been eroded away, the animal having been buried for several millions years? The animal could have been fossilized in river mud as mudstone which later was pushed up by seismic action and then the surface eroded back to leave the bone just below the new surface. It is geologically common, so cannot be excluded surely.</p>
<p>I am not defending the thesis that the dinosaurs were long dead when the asteroid fell, just questioning the assurance of the claim that this proves they were not.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The cataclysm supporters on the other hand, state that the entire ecosystem was doing just fine and that dinosaurs were thriving right up to the end and would have continued to dominate the landscape if the asteroid hadn’t hit. So in those terms, they ARE mutually exclusive. You can’t be thriving all the way to the end and declining at the same time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On the other hand, you could be going through a temporary decline in fortunes, an ecological rough patch, from which, once you make it through, you rapidly recover your former levels of diversity and success and sustain them to the present day, if it were not for the unfortunate blow that knocks you over at your weakest point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The cataclysm supporters on the other hand, state that the entire ecosystem was doing just fine and that dinosaurs were thriving right up to the end and would have continued to dominate the landscape if the asteroid hadn’t hit. So in those terms, they ARE mutually exclusive. You can’t be thriving all the way to the end and declining at the same time.</p></blockquote>
<p>On the other hand, you could be going through a temporary decline in fortunes, an ecological rough patch, from which, once you make it through, you rapidly recover your former levels of diversity and success and sustain them to the present day, if it were not for the unfortunate blow that knocks you over at your weakest point.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmimic</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmimic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, your point is exactly what most scientists who support the gradual extinction hypothesis say. Most gradualists quite readily say that dinosaurs lived right up to the end, or at least vey close to it, just that the ecosystem that supported them was changing and in terms of the dinosaurs, failing. Then along comes the asteroid, which makes things just impossible for them. Quite a few gradualists would say if you asked them, that more dinosaurs may have survived (since some did in fact surivive, aka birds) if the asteroid had not hit, the asteroid just being the final straw.
The cataclysm supporters on the other hand, state that the entire ecosystem was doing just fine and that dinosaurs were thriving right up to the end and would have continued to dominate the landscape if the asteroid hadn&#039;t hit. So in those terms, they ARE mutually exclusive. You can&#039;t be thriving all the way to the end and declining at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, your point is exactly what most scientists who support the gradual extinction hypothesis say. Most gradualists quite readily say that dinosaurs lived right up to the end, or at least vey close to it, just that the ecosystem that supported them was changing and in terms of the dinosaurs, failing. Then along comes the asteroid, which makes things just impossible for them. Quite a few gradualists would say if you asked them, that more dinosaurs may have survived (since some did in fact surivive, aka birds) if the asteroid had not hit, the asteroid just being the final straw.<br />
The cataclysm supporters on the other hand, state that the entire ecosystem was doing just fine and that dinosaurs were thriving right up to the end and would have continued to dominate the landscape if the asteroid hadn&#8217;t hit. So in those terms, they ARE mutually exclusive. You can&#8217;t be thriving all the way to the end and declining at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto. Not mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto. Not mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why both points of view can&#039;t be right.  Gradual extinction could have been well under way when the mass extinction happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why both points of view can&#8217;t be right.  Gradual extinction could have been well under way when the mass extinction happened.</p>
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