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	<title>Comments on: Vampire-like Predatory Bacteria Could Become A Living Antibiotic</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Suhrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Suhrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sorry-typo) &quot;plague&quot; I believe should be &quot;plaque&quot; -- second bullet after &quot;Hungry for Pathogens&quot;.
By the way, interesting article.

&lt;strong&gt;Ed: fixed&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sorry-typo) &#8220;plague&#8221; I believe should be &#8220;plaque&#8221; &#8212; second bullet after &#8220;Hungry for Pathogens&#8221;.<br />
By the way, interesting article.</p>
<p><strong>Ed: fixed</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Christina Viering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Viering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting potential.</p>
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		<title>By: gendotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>gendotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a mother who was killed by pseudomonis sepsis, one time just might be enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a mother who was killed by pseudomonis sepsis, one time just might be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 01:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4 Harry;

There are many, many therapies that are one-shots which any particular patient can only have once. That fact by itself does not make a potential therapy invalid or un-useful.

If all you need is one shot to save someone&#039;s life, and all you have is one shot, you take it.

(For example, many forms of radiation therapy are one-shot. There is a lifetime limit to how much radiation a person can safely have, and for many cancers, you go straight up to that limit on your first therapeutic regimen. If the therapy fails or the cancer recurs, you can&#039;t give radiation again. But if you succeed and cure the cancer, you don&#039;t have to.)


And of course they may be a multitude of potential ways to get around the immune memory problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 Harry;</p>
<p>There are many, many therapies that are one-shots which any particular patient can only have once. That fact by itself does not make a potential therapy invalid or un-useful.</p>
<p>If all you need is one shot to save someone&#8217;s life, and all you have is one shot, you take it.</p>
<p>(For example, many forms of radiation therapy are one-shot. There is a lifetime limit to how much radiation a person can safely have, and for many cancers, you go straight up to that limit on your first therapeutic regimen. If the therapy fails or the cancer recurs, you can&#8217;t give radiation again. But if you succeed and cure the cancer, you don&#8217;t have to.)</p>
<p>And of course they may be a multitude of potential ways to get around the immune memory problem.</p>
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		<title>By: TheCritic</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheCritic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 01:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@D Braith

     The technology and knowledge to control bacterial populations purposefully placed into humans is so widespread and available that college and even high school students that participate in synthetic biology competitions could tell you it&#039;s possible. Plenty of bacteria have population controls of their own by sensing their own density, and when the density gets too high, some will kill themselves through apoptosis. This gene has long since been identified and the process is well known and experimented with when it comes to bacterial control. Here was one method of population control. There are plenty other methods out there.
      The oxidizing contents? If significant enough to cause damage, then surely the species has catalase in its own cytoplasm which upon release of all the cytoplasm would at least play a certain part in neutralizing it. Not to mention the numerous ways our own cells deal with oxidizing compounds. An infection large enough to cause damage due to total oxidizing contents released would cause more problems than just tissue damage from the oxidizing chemicals. An infection that large would probably already indicate your immune system is severely suppressed, and you may be heading for septic shock very shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@D Braith</p>
<p>     The technology and knowledge to control bacterial populations purposefully placed into humans is so widespread and available that college and even high school students that participate in synthetic biology competitions could tell you it&#8217;s possible. Plenty of bacteria have population controls of their own by sensing their own density, and when the density gets too high, some will kill themselves through apoptosis. This gene has long since been identified and the process is well known and experimented with when it comes to bacterial control. Here was one method of population control. There are plenty other methods out there.<br />
      The oxidizing contents? If significant enough to cause damage, then surely the species has catalase in its own cytoplasm which upon release of all the cytoplasm would at least play a certain part in neutralizing it. Not to mention the numerous ways our own cells deal with oxidizing compounds. An infection large enough to cause damage due to total oxidizing contents released would cause more problems than just tissue damage from the oxidizing chemicals. An infection that large would probably already indicate your immune system is severely suppressed, and you may be heading for septic shock very shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Times</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/11/02/vampire-like-predatory-bacteria-could-become-a-living-antibiotic/#comment-30171</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to genetically engineer a &quot;Poison Pill&quot; into these vampire bacteria. Something that is not harmful to humans, but is lethal to the bacteria. That way they can introduce it in people, and be able to kill it off once it&#039;s work is done, or if it begins attacking normal, healthy cells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to genetically engineer a &#8220;Poison Pill&#8221; into these vampire bacteria. Something that is not harmful to humans, but is lethal to the bacteria. That way they can introduce it in people, and be able to kill it off once it&#8217;s work is done, or if it begins attacking normal, healthy cells.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds promising until you consider that, after the Micavibrio aeruginosavorus was used once as an antibiotic, the human body would produce antibodies against it so that there would be rapid clearance from the body upon any use a few weeks later. It becomes a one-time-only antibiotic. Likewise, this immunological response problem limits the use of bacteriophage viruses to attack pathogenic bacterial species in the human body (an idea first considered sixty years ago). These both (Micavibrio aeruginosavorus and phages) are one-shot wonders as therapy, which is not what makes for a good antibiotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds promising until you consider that, after the Micavibrio aeruginosavorus was used once as an antibiotic, the human body would produce antibodies against it so that there would be rapid clearance from the body upon any use a few weeks later. It becomes a one-time-only antibiotic. Likewise, this immunological response problem limits the use of bacteriophage viruses to attack pathogenic bacterial species in the human body (an idea first considered sixty years ago). These both (Micavibrio aeruginosavorus and phages) are one-shot wonders as therapy, which is not what makes for a good antibiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@1 I imagine they have a starting point on many of those issues with phage therapy research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1 I imagine they have a starting point on many of those issues with phage therapy research.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrysoprace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrysoprace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 06:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article never claimed this would happen next Wednesday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article never claimed this would happen next Wednesday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: D Braithwaite</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Braithwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All nonsense speculation.

Even if the bacteria were so heavily modified as to be undetectable by the human immune system, which would normally mount a massive assault on these organisms, how would it be cleared? How would the dose be controlled? How would you control their proliferation or trigger their apoptosis? And if you were to terminate treatment by killing them, how would you prevent the oxidising contents of their cytoplasm from damaging human tissues?

The technology required to implement this &quot;living antibiotic&quot; is so far away from modern techniques as to be firmly in the realm of science fiction. It&#039;s a novel organism and nothing more. Interesting sequences, proteins and concepts may well emerge from research, but to suggest this may become a clinical treatment is science sensationalism at its very worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All nonsense speculation.</p>
<p>Even if the bacteria were so heavily modified as to be undetectable by the human immune system, which would normally mount a massive assault on these organisms, how would it be cleared? How would the dose be controlled? How would you control their proliferation or trigger their apoptosis? And if you were to terminate treatment by killing them, how would you prevent the oxidising contents of their cytoplasm from damaging human tissues?</p>
<p>The technology required to implement this &#8220;living antibiotic&#8221; is so far away from modern techniques as to be firmly in the realm of science fiction. It&#8217;s a novel organism and nothing more. Interesting sequences, proteins and concepts may well emerge from research, but to suggest this may become a clinical treatment is science sensationalism at its very worst.</p>
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