What’s The News: Three 16-year-old teenage boys in Texas had heart attacks shortly after smoking a product called k2, or Spice, according to a study published this month in the journal Pediatrics. The report highlights a growing public health problem: the increased availability and use of synthetic cannabinoids, which when smoked mimic the effects of marijuana but typically can’t be detected in drug tests. While the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency secured an emergency, one-year ban of five synthetic cannabinoids in March of this year, most of the hundreds of such chemicals remain basically legal, widely available, little understood, and potentially harmful.
“Fake Pot” and Synthetic Cannabinoids:
- “Fake pot” includes any of a number of products (with names like K2, Spice, Blaze, Red X Dawn) that are increasingly popular among young Americans. They usually contain herbs laced with various synthetic cannabinoids, and often marketed as incense.
- Synthetic cannabinoids function similarly to marijuana’s prime ingredient, tetrahydrocannabinol (or THC), which causes most of the plant’s well-known effects by partially activating cannabinoid receptors in the brain. (Described in some detail in an earlier post of mine here.)
- Most of these chemicals bind much more strongly to CB-1 and CB-2 receptors than THC, causing more intense effects than cannabis. K2, for example, can cause intense anxiety, psychotic episodes, hallucinations, and even seizures. As pharmacologist David Kroll writes in an excellent post on his blog Terra Sigillata, THC is a “partial agonist” while many synthetic compounds are often “full agonists” at these receptors.
Chemicals Escape the Lab:
- Many of the synthetic cannabinoids now used in K2 were developed in the mid-1990s as potential therapeutics by John W. Huffman, a Clemson University chemist. For that reason, many of these chemicals have names beginning with his initials, like JWH-018, one of the chemicals temporarily outlawed by the DEA in March. (Perhaps not the legacy he was aiming for.)
- In 2008 the drugs were officially found outside the lab, in herbal blends sold in Europe, after which their availability and use spread widely.
- Huffman has come out strongly against the casual use and abuse of these chemicals. “Using these things is like playing Russian roulette because, we don’t have toxicity data, we don’t know the metabolites and we don’t know the pharmacokinetics,” Huffman said recently in Chemical and Engineering News.
Serious as a Heart Attack:
- All three teenagers were seen at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas within three months of one another, after complaining of chest pain for several days. Myocardial infarctions were confirmed with EEG readings and the presence of troponin, a chemical released when heart muscles are damaged. Each was treated and released.
- Though all three admitted to smoking marijuana in the previous few weeks, their use of K2 occurred just before symptoms of chest pain began. Two tested positive for THC; all tested negative for other drugs of abuse. Only one patient was tested for two synthetic cannabinoids, which weren’t detected. This is likely due to the widely varying blend of cannabinoids used in these products.
- Very rarely, marijuana use has been linked to heart attacks, thought to arise from THC’s ability to increase heart rate and cardiac output.
- K2 may cause an increased risk for a heart attack due to a stronger activation of this same pathway, or via another unknown route. Colin Kane, a pediatric cardiologist at UT Southwestern & Children’s Medical Center in Dallas told Reuters he was “certainly suspicious that there was something in the K2 that would have caused these heart attacks.”
- No chemical analysis was done on the products the teenagers smoked and is only described in the paper as, “K2, Spice (Dallas, Texas, manufacturer unknown).”
A Clear and Present Danger:
- There are many reports on blogs and anecdotes from news stories nationwide that used of K2 or Spice has led young people to become mentally ill, become hospitalized, or commit suicide. Several deaths have been linked to synthetic cannabinoids; for example, a coroner’s report blamed JWH-018 (found in K2) for the sudden death of an apparently healthy 19-year-old basketball player in South Carolina.
- From January through August this year, US Poison Control Centers received 4,421 calls regarding exposure to synthetic marijuana, a 52 percent increase over last year’s total.
- In May the DEA outlawed five of these compounds. Many states around the country have enacted laws to ban the sale and possession of various synthetic cannabinoids. But the chemists who manufacture these chemicals know which substances can be tested for; by choosing different related compounds, of which there are hundreds, they can stay a few steps ahead of the law.
- Though the DEA has the ability to prosecute people who manufacture chemicals that are “analogues” of currently banned substances, such action has rarely been taken, and it’s unclear what the exact chemical definition of an “analogue” is.
- An opinion piece published this month in Nature Medicine argues that testing of these chemicals should be taken up by the Laboratory Response Network. This nationwide group of labs was set up by presidential decree to quickly provide data about novel chemicals associated with biological or chemical terrorism or other ”high priority public health emergencies.” Study author Jeffery Moran notes that Arkansas legislators used the network to produce data to support a ban of various synthetic cannabinoids, and established a testing protocol for detecting K2 products now in use worldwide.
[Read more at Terra Sigillata]
Reference: Arshid Mir, MD, Adebisi Obafemi, MD, Amy Young, MD, Colin Kane, MD. Myocardial Infarction Associated With Use of the Synthetic Cannabinoid K2. Pediatrics. Published online November 7, 2011. DOI: 10.1542/peds.2010-3823
Image credit: U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency
November 18th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Once again prohibition has created the public health emergency, driving people toward greater danger. Safer herbal cannabis is replaced by K2 made with JWH-18. Then JWH-18 is outlawed, replaced by other synthetics and people start to die. Will we ever learn?
November 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
It is JWH-118 and is powdered weed. It’s online.
November 18th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
End prohibition and make everything safer.
November 18th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
And then it will be another and another and another…..
November 18th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I’m going to smoke a bowl and ponder this issue.
November 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
I don’t remember when I read it, but there was an article on jimson weed in Discover magazine & the awful side effects sound similar to k2. & yes end the prohibition on the real cannabis
November 18th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
there is nothing that is not bad for you if used in excess. it is impossible to outlawstupidity. When your young it is almost mandatory. People have to be responsible for their own mistakes we cant outlaw everything. Back off big brother.
November 19th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Cannabis is less harmful than a lot of legal drugs and most psychoactive drugs. Yet we waste so much money on its criminalization and push people onto dangerous drugs for a policy not based on science.
Also, I think the use of the phrase “synthetic marijuana” is misleading. These are 5 synthetic cannabinoids, but cannabis has over 60 different cannabinoids.
November 19th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
I smoked a product called dime last night 11/18/11 and my pupils were so huge that you saw no color just black and my heart was beating so unbelievably fast that I thought this was it, I’m going to die. These people that make these products don’t care about the effects of their products please figure out a way to ban all these and legalize pot. These synthetic drugs are to dangerous, hell the five chemicals the DEA banned never made me feel the way I did last night, I never felt like I was dying. These new ones though are way to crazy it isn’t safe period and people are going to die if this doesn’t get taken seriously.
November 19th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Stop all these smoke shops in washington state from selling these please!!! These chemists are stupid evil human beings who just want to make money. Why is the government letting them make money, when the government can legalize marijuana and hopefully end this recession
November 20th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Hmm, we outlaw natural pot, replace it with lab made chemicals, and people start having heart attacks. This reminds me of what happened with cocaine. Coca leaves > Cocaine > Crack> Deaths.
Maybe we ought to start regulating natural products instead of outlawing said products or replacing them with far worse substances…On the other hand, the drug war has created a multi-billion dollar industy, and making those drugs legal might be bad for the economy…What a mess our silly governments have made…
November 20th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
the stuff is bad even without the chems… the main ingredient is Damiana, a shrub… it naturally contains cyanide and several cyanide like compounds. You die of cyanide poisoning, or complications due to cyanide poisoning.
i was using the stuff, then suddenly i couldnt sleep for 4 days, vomiting colors, yellow, orange, brown…. siezure, and convulsions… it was awful.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:47 pm
It wouldn’t matter if pot was legal or not. This product would still be on the market. That’s because it is very difficult to dedect in drug tests. There are more than 400 chemicals used to make ‘poison sprayed on leaves’ (aka synthetic marijuana). There are currently tests for 14 by blood and 5 by urine. For that reason, a lot of people smoke it. So, get rid of your argument that if we just legalize marijuana, this stuff wouldn’t be out there. And, do we really want to sell something that causes seizures, hallucinations, paranoid delusions, vomiting, heart attacks, ect next to the bubble gum and candy, like we are doing now? I guess it will be OK with you guys until your friends are the ones dying. I care because my son die after smoking a product called iAroma. It contained JWH 210 and caused him to have paranoid delusions and hallucinations. He drive 100 miles an hour into a house and died. He was not a drug user and had a conversation with his friend, at the mall where the bought it, that it must be safe because it was legal. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I’m contacted daily from people that have horror stories about the “worst experience” of their lives after getting a particularly strong package of this stuff. I also hear from families of the dead. We just had a young man die of a heart attack after smoking this stuff. Yes, people are having heart attacks. This stuff is extremely dangerous. It kills and ruins lives more than you can ever imagine. And, every package has a different potency. You can smoke it 30 times and be fine. The 31st time, may be the end of your life or the “worst experience” of your life. The developer of the original JWH 018 says that it’s like playing “Russian Roulette”. I’m not making this up. It’s that dangerous. I can tell you stories that would make you sick. I hear them everyday.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Legalize Marijuana. Problem solved.
November 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Karen – That’s terrible about your son, but you’re logic regarding the effect of the legalization of marijuana on the use of these products is flawed. If marijuana is legalized then employers etc. won’t test for marijuana and there will be no reason for people to use marijuana-like substances that can’t be detected by drug tests. I’m not saying these products would disappear completely, but the main reason for their use (as stated by you) would no longer exist. I’m not certain of the employment laws involved, but if legalized, I would assume employers couldn’t test for marijuana, as is the case for other legal drugs (caffeine, alcohol, nicotine).
November 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Karen said “There are currently tests for 14 by blood and 5 by urine. For that reason, a lot of people smoke it. So, get rid of your argument that if we just legalize marijuana, this stuff wouldn’t be out there.”
If pot was legal….why would they care about test?
I drink fairly regularly every 5 to 10 days. The only time I care about test for blood alcohol level is if I need to drive some where (which I don’t do IF i’ve been drinking).
November 27th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Karen- Your son is responsiple for his own actions. Firstly, these products specifically say not for human consumption and your son knowingly ingested these compound for hedonistic purpose and couldn’t handle his s***. Should we outlaw airdusters cause people knowingly huff them while driving, blackout and hit other cars.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:08 am
It’s such a shame people can’t get access to 100% non-lethal and healthful cannabis sativa, enjoyed by man since pre-biblical times, and instead are forced to try this revolting and dangerous chemical substitute. Legalize cannabis and we will see 0% of people wanting to use this nasty stuff. Legal alcohol and nicotine kill millions every year, yet we feel consumption of these is a personal liberty, while 100% non- toxic natural cannabis remains forbidden to good law abiding citizens.. what a stupid and unhealthful policy!
December 17th, 2011 at 12:22 am
I took one hit of synthetic marijuana and i thought my heart was going to explode. never smoking it again. wish i had read this site before smoking it
December 17th, 2011 at 4:05 am
I was smoking alot of different synthetic shit for a few months, i really think it almost killed me a few times. I really suggest you don’t do it at all but if you gonna, you HAVE to be careful!
Don’t think this is not a real drug. Only take a hit or 2 and see if you are ok. ?Besides feeling like i was gonna have a heart attack and being pretty much paralyzed for like 30 mins, I actually forgot who i was completely on it once and have had a near death experience on it too. It is just not worth it honestly. I don’t think the kids reading this won’t try it but please please be as careful as you can, this shit is far from that good old weed we all have grown to love.
By the way I haven’t used that stuff in like 2 weeks and i am still feeling some effects (pretty bad insomnia)
Also try to remember that if you are experiencing something scary on it that it only lasts like 2 hours at the most, most blends like 45 mins to an hour.
but really leave that shit
December 30th, 2011 at 5:45 am
I think karen is speaking out of pain and is unfortunate enough to be one of the few who had family die from abusing fake pot. I used it a few times. Its pretty weak. Wish real pot was legal so I wouldn’t have to use this shit to keep my job.
December 30th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Pot is a gateway drug and has been proven to be so. It has started many on a path of self destruction and those around them, who love them, watch in agony. Or, as some of the previous posts indicate, you just end up plain dumb. Also, even if pot was legalized companies have every right to set their own policies and continue a drug free workplace. They can test and fire according to their policies. They are obligated to maintain a safe work environment by law. Would you want a surgeon operating on you under the influence on any kind of pot, drug, or alcohol? Think about that the next time you or a loved one goes under the knife.
January 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Sorry to hear that however there are people allergic to THC. I know a few myself that cant smoke any weed or they could end up in the ER. With that said this heart attack thing is debatable. I know a 70 year old women who smokes regularly, has had 3 heart attacks prior to smoking anything(exsisting medical conditions) and has not had a single heart issue from spice yet. Her tests are clean. I know a few people who are elderly on medications that debilitate them and have resorted to synthetic cannabinoids to help with their ailments. There is great medicinal value here but with all this mis information going around they paint this picture like everyone is dying from this stuff and that is simply not true. Why dont people test for lead poisoning. This stuff comes from China so why wouldn’t lead be a factor?
I am a manufacturer of incense however we manufacture in the U.S. it has chems like all the others but its tested for toxins and its prepared by a licensed chemist. If you do not have a licensed chemist your opening the door for things like this. Lab tests have to be done and additional steps should be taken to ensure the safest possible product. Ive tried blends that made me hallucinate stronger than LSD(hence the reasons people think they are going to die) and i have had some that made me sick. It all comes down to how much do you know about the product your smoking? If you know nothing about it you are gambling with your life. There has been meth amphetamine found in some of these blends, psychedelic mushrooms all kinds of stuff. So to say its synthetic cannabinoids solely is bad journalism.
If you want good incense than stop buying from basement blenders and go with a reputable supplier.
Be safe and be smart. There is some great blends out there.
January 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
The DEA does not care about this stuff. My lawyer is a former DEA agent and im telling you they do not have the money the man power or do they give a shit about this new wave of drugs. The only reason they do anything is because the public keeps on them. Otherwise they have stated that they are unable to stop this and they are more concerned about cocaine heroin meth etc. Those kill people everyday. Alcohol kills people everyday. Coffee is responsible for 4500 ER visits every year. People die everyday from peanut allergies. And cigarettes, cmon now they kill 100s of thousands of people but thats ok. These are taxable regulated drugs and therefore are socially acceptable. Why? because the government has made you believe they are some wonderful regulators who are out for your best interests. Why are dumb people attacking Incense? Would you rather your kids smoke crack? Regardless they are going to get high no matter what. And banning these chems is more dangerous than leaving us alone. Every time you ban one we have to use a new one and that opens the door for real issues. Some of these have been tested but now they are banned so we move on to untested chems. The government is hurting you by banning this stuff.
And with new legislation we are getting away from the chems and will have all natural products. Doesnt mean its safer just means we are on to a whole new scene. Once they ban all synthetics we will issue the natural and then they will never be able to stop it. They are only hurting themselves. Science is smarter than the law will ever be. This is not going to go anywhere ever! Besides I like paying my bills and putting my kids to sleep in a real bed rather than living off the government jobless. Thank you spice for saving my life and my family. This has created thousands of small businesses and even more jobs. Its generating 5.5 billion a year. The government took our jobs and we created new ones. And if the government doesn’t start doing something to fix this nation they we’ll put a ban on them
January 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I to have seen the effects that this sythetic drug is doing. Its is killing young adults. young adults that have never even tried illegal drugs before. the numbers of illness are growing rapidly and it needs to be stopped. I myslef was ignorant enough to try this stuff out. i actually tried it for several months before experiencing horrible side effects from it. It wasnt until a friend of mine overdosed and went to the er with kidney failure that i put all of this together and did my homework on this stuff. We need to raise awareness not just on these blogs. Please those of you that have experienced or weitnessed the horrible side effects from ingesting this synthetic stuff dont be afraid to speak up. call your newspapers call your radio stations the more people that raise awareness the quicker the government will have to do something. Parents dont know that their kids are trying this stuff. Raising awareness is half the battle. im dedicating my time to get this stuff more recognized and talked about in my area and urge you all to do the same. THIS STUFF IS KILLING kids and young adults around the country. Slowly but surely its becoming an epidemic that this generation does not need. please get the word out. if you get sick from it please tell the doctors whats happened lets start changing things and getting this taken care of. the more people who are fighting to get this out there and more public the better.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:42 am
In all actuality, what teenage kid is going to go to the convenient store or wherever they pick up their “spice” from and look at every kind then go home and research it before they decide on which one to get? Teenagers now a days, at least where I come from, obviously aren’t looking to research drugs, they want a high which is why they do something as idiotic as smoking K2 or any other “spice.” I say spice quoted because although there may be good there may be bad, it all could lead to harmful side effects; anything that you inhale can have a negative effect on your body, no matter what it is. I watched my best friend have a seizure on my living room floor from smoking Mad Hatter, not because he smoked “too much” and not because he smoked marijuana (because he didn’t) He took a hit, one hit and that’s all it took. It’s not something to mess around with. As much as a lot of the people in the United States want marijuana legalized, it doesn’t give you a right to go sprinkle some incense in a paper and smoke it. In my opinion it shouldn’t be allowed to even be sold in a store.
January 18th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
The makers of K-2 and other products close to it should have a rope around their neck, CEO and anyone else involved in it. One day there will be the wrong child who dies from it and that parent will hunt them down and well you know the rest. Teenagers or children think if you can buy it at the store it must be safe! Come on people we all know teens do not think first before it is to late. The makers should be put in jail for every child who died from this drug. Adults who smoke it, well they are just Stupid and a waste of society’s time!
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I myself have had 3-5 close heart attacks from the stuff,a couple anxiety attacks,and.1 seizure, and seen many other people trip out pretty bad ,but none of that convinced me to stop until I started having anxiety attacks without being under any influence.now I get them when smoking weed,i can’t enjoy any highs anymore.everyone and anyone reading, stick to weed…or a better solution, stay sober…I’m 18 and been smoking spice for around 2 years and weed for WAY longer.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I am also one of the idiotic few that started consuming Mr Nice Guy out of simple convenience of being able to buy at the local gas station. The Potency is definitely a variable and I did almost die on it. I now have a chronic heart condition called Angina and I sure am living it up! To hell with the producers of this stuff and I hope you rot just as you’ve made me. My life will never be the same again.
February 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Baller- your statement about what employers can test for is inaccurate. I know for a fact that companies test for nicotine and don’t hire if you pass the test because companies who do that get a break on employee health insurance rates. A company can test for whatever they like legal or not.
Anyways my opinion on the stuff:
I believe my brother is addicted to it. I have never seen him have a seizure but I have seen him sitting in the chair and become completely unresponsive to reality like his brain was just completely turned off then all of a sudden he is back like nothing happened.
My brother has apparently sold his laptop, ps3 and guitar so he could afford to by this fake weed and it appears to be ruining his life. I just hope he doesn’t die from this stuff.
February 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Ok… Adults are not a waste of society just because they try it too. Kids are not the only un informed . They don’t tell anyone when they buy it that it can kill you. And… Just because they have a seizure and die does not mean they couldn’t handle their shit. Dumbest comment I’ve heard on here. He’ll be the next to have a seizure.due only to his stupidity.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
All i have to say is i tried this as an alternative and it is the farthest thing from weed completely different high anyway after about a month i quit i was feeling suicidal i almost ended a 5 year relationship and 1 year engagement because i was literally going insane paranoia voices telling me awful things it was horrible and i quit nd in so happy i did i now have seizures that are miserable. Please don’t be an idiot smoke pot or exercise or get adrenaline this shit just sucks
February 8th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Speaking of dumb comments, Misty, the post referred to by “couldn’t handle their shit” was of a kid smoking, then, due to the intensity of the high, decided to get behind the wheel of a car and drive it 100 mph into a house. I don’t know about you, but if I was scared of how screwed up I was, I would not be compelled to get into a car and drive 100mph in a residential area. And if I happened to be driving during the time of consumption (terrible idea, even more so when you don’t know how you’re going to be affected), I would drive safely as possible until the nearest place to pull over.
February 8th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Can I just say first off, your DOCTOR has to RECOMMEND the use of this drug. People can be ALLERGIC to the contents INSIDE K2 or any other type of synthetic weed.
If you’re smoking synthetic weed without a prescription without clearance from your doctor, and a valid reasoning along with an analyzation of your medical history and you suffer from heart attacks and whatever else it’s your OWN FAULT. It’s meant to be a PRESCRIPTION drug, not a play toy for stressed out morons. It’s the same problem with kids messing around with heart medication to get a high. First off if you’re the parent and your kid does this stuff, it’s your fault for not parenting him in the first place.
It’s not the drug, it’s the user. Either your body isn’t supposed to be able to handle it, is allergic to it, or you’re not tuned for having any type of high.
Sure it may be sold among stores, but it doesn’t mean it’s for everyone. Anyone under 18 should not be screwing around with this stuff unless a DOCTOR says it’s okay. I’m sorry parents but it is your fault, and you’re the one accountable if anything does happen to your child. Sure it’s legal, but that doesn’t mean it won’t kill you. You can die from drinking and driving, and alcohol poisoning, but beer is sold in almost every store. You can die from many different types of medicine that’s over the counter, but they don’t illegalize that.
Just use your common sense and stop being morons. Yes I’ve smoked it before, and I had a good experience with it. Mainly for testing purposes, and I was really stressed out because of the people I have to deal with at my job. Really takes the edge off after every other person has to ask for batteries when it’s right in front of them as soon as they enter the store.
Also another things, some companies can test for this drug if they want to. Although it is new and it isn’t illegal yet, as Elmore said they can test for whatever they want to if they see fit. If you’ve ever done a certain over the counter medicine, or on the shelf medicine if they didn’t want people using it in their company that’s directive to their consent.
Crap like this is why every other country hates America, because we all seek to blame others when the problem is right in the mirror.
USE YOUR COMMON SENSE.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Synthetic cannabis is garbage. Clearly no matter what this f*cked up government will push chemical substance bullshi+ on people taking away legality of the natural herbs/pot which at least we know the side effects of over time and under the influence of unlike a research chemical where people are the test subjects of this $hit. And the retard who said its a prescription drug why can anyone go to thestore and buy it? When i had my prescription i needed my insurance card so thats obviously not the case with this crap. As long as prohibition is around people will keep using these chemicals which can sometimes be composed of acetone- an evaporator used for getting water out of gas in your car or other vehicles so consider that as well before trying this trash.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I recently tried a product called Revalation from Zombie Matter and I made the mistake of taking one whole hit and holding it for 3 seconds. I thought I was going to die, my heart was racing and it was pounding so hard it was affecting my breathing like when you pound on your chest when you talk. I have had panic attacks before and this was the mother of all panic attacks. I have an urgency to walk when im having a panic attack, to me, it helps dissapate the energy like after you run hard it’s good to walk after to slow your heart rate. On this stuff I was pacing in my yard for a half hour hoping that I wouldn’t die. I have been smoking weed for 25 years and had to stop because of drug testing for employment. They NEED to legalize marijuana and put a stop to all this fake crap. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal and they kill thousands every year. No one ever died from marijuana….EVER!!!!!!
Needless to say I threw the rest in the trash and I will wait till I have a job to smoke the real stuff again. Do yourself a favor and don’t even try it. It’s like the wild west with that stuff, you dont really know whats in it and reports of severe kidney damage are starting to surface. at the end of the day it’s not worth it. Peace and be safe
February 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
I just wanted to add to this because I just lost one of my best friends to a massive heart attack at age 29. And another had a heart attack and had a pacemaker put in. This is crazy insane to me why would you intentionally put yourself at risk of having a heart attack. Who’s like hummm, I fell like getting stoned but I can’t smoke real pot because my job so I think I’ll smoke this synthetic crap and put my life at risk. Another thing I cant understand is the government will pay for studies for this crap and not for that of real marijuana. I have tried this synthetic marijuana on several occasions a few years back and found that it taste terrible, my heart rate would greatly increase causing me to have a panic attack, also if I had been drinking and decided to use this I would be almost instantly sick. Maybe there are some of you out there that think this is a great idea and it doesn’t effect you as greatly. However I can tell you this I work in the medical field and the amount of people who come in from heart problems or panic attacks from this crap is a huge number how ever not once have I heard of a patient coming in because he/she had a heart/panic attack from real marijuana. So please do not use this drug.
March 4th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This is all propaganda. Scare tactics. Where is the evidence? The proof? Cite your sources for God’s sake.
I’m not saying this stuff doesn’t harm people. But honestly, chill the fuck out and go collect some proper evidence before completely dumping all faith into this heap of crap. I get tired of Americans hearing about something and blowing it all to hell. Salvia was criminalized because teenagers would smoke it, flip out and go to the hospital. If people would stop stereotyping and flipping out because some news agency runs their mouth, marijuana (and LSD, for that matter) would still be legal.
It’s true though. This stuff is ridiculous. There are no studies on many of these compounds. But people are idiots if they don’t do the research first. My best advice is just to go get some real pot.
March 6th, 2012 at 8:11 am
@Kyle
The Proof is in the Pudding.
So many people randomly posting here to say they had negative experience with these synthetics. I won’t even call them synthetic ‘cannabinoids’ because fuck knows what’s in them now days.
I tried JWH-018 (I think) back in the day, intense but short lasting and didn’t do anything too outrageous. Now they’ve made that chem illegal in Aus, I tried another ‘legal’ one today because I felt like having a smoke.. And OH MY GOD.
I’ve done a lot of stupid shit and put a lot of chemicals into my body in the name of recreation but never have I got it so far wrong. One little puff was all it took and within the minute my head space was changing rapidly while my heart was racing harder and harder. I felt weak, I felt an impending sense of doom, I thought I could be having a heart attack.
For the first time in my life I found myself considering calling emergency before sensibly winding up on the floor underneath the shower trying to calm myself down. After about 20-30 minutes it was manageable… but never again. I can’t fucking imagine what I would have been like if I smoked a joint of this. I smoked about 1/3 of a cone. Effects lasted hours.
Later on I’ve come online to look at the negative side-effects and found ordinary people reporting almost carbon copy symptoms. Marijuana NEVER did anything that crazy. Fuck synthetic pot. Legalise Marijuana.
March 7th, 2012 at 1:58 am
I know first hand what this crap is doing. After coming home one night to my wife smoking K2 she was out of here mind, saying all kinds of crazy shit. She was acting like a total dumb ass and trying to make myself and the police believed her bullshit story. Never mind the story look how there body’s act while they are on this crap. I am one that does not smoke pot however they would be better off smoking the real deal then this synthetic shit. Here is… the sad part of it all…. Even after they see things or believed that something happen after the high is gone they still believed it happen to them no matter how ridiculous the story is … NO! NO! NO! NO! BAN THIS SHIT. THIS CRAP CAUSED ME TO LOSE MY WIFE AFTER 11 YEARS not to even bring up the fact that this shit cost about $29.00 for a little pouch. think about that addiction cost every other day. I wish I could have video tape her while she was on this crap and then show her the next day.
March 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
If someone wants to take the risk of dying just like you do skydiving or bungie jumping, let them do it and worry about yourself and your own life
March 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
These compounds are NOT a substitute for marijuana, and that’s exactly why they’ve gotten such a bad rap. People ingest these compounds as if it were marijuana, and the result is people get sky high, anxiety takes over, and soon you’re in a full-blown panic attack which feels like impending death, especially if you’ve never experienced one before.
This is for sure the source of many claims involving hospitalizations, seizures, strokes, heart attacks, and so on.
Is it possible these compounds have induced those events in some individuals? Maybe.
Have these compounds actually killed people? In my opinion that’s debatable, and I wouldn’t believe any such claim unless it was backed up with solid evidence addressing cause of death and not some anecdotal story.
I have no doubt cannabis is much safer, but I also tend to think a lot of the hysteria surrounding these compounds is due to uneducated users.
March 16th, 2012 at 9:18 am
I have overall health complications since i was a boy. I usually really want to remain informedwith every little thing with regards to wellness challenges, discover therapies, study about new health conditions. Basically i like searching about every thing regarding health in general.
March 18th, 2012 at 2:31 am
As a whole im against synthetics entirely, but i have dipped my toes
ive used a couple different spices, varying effects where-in. obv i prefer good ole bud but its not always that easy.
Ive heard lots of things about potential side effects but havent seen real data other than references to some kids that checked into thier school nurse office a COUPLE YEARS ago… and no notable stories since? if anyone has a legitimate health issue doctumented let them present it.
Here say speculation is quite foolish, even in the name of public health…(for god sakes people there’s flouride in our water supply, and mercury in our vaccinations!!)(<-research this and flourides connection to the pineal gland *NOT PENILE lol*)
Now i will say a few things, to understand the effect of the greater amount of available spices, you have to personally know how it feels to be high on thc, and have experienced some sort of hallucination be it shrooms salvia lsd… all of which are chemical variants (both synthetics, and natural growing things) of naturally occurring in our body DMT(<-research this, its what makes us dream, its created in the pineal gland)
IF YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED THESE THINGS, you cannot be expected to understand the state of mind there in, as you have NO BASIS to comprehend the state of mind. In other words, you claim to know the outcome of an experiment while your only testing the control group. You cant know what being drunk is like til you get drunk. etc.
Now, these people that are having cardiac issues and panic attacks, this is happening because they THEMSELVES are creating the issue and taking on nervousness because they were unprepared for the experience, or an obvious answer have had far too much. The only key piece of real evidence would be the exsisting TROPONIN in the muscle tissue surrounding the cardial and plural cavities. because after some possibly bingy nights i have had wierd chest pain upon waking… i have attributed this to either my workout or awkward sleep the ?two? times it occured, if i ever experience it again i will personally take a troponin test and provide my results in an open medical journal. ill link the shi+. PS you can sit in a corner and think about shit== that stresses you out and let your body be physically affected like producing adrenalin and writhing around, over contracting muscles etc to the point where you indeed produce troponin. *think of the feeling of heartache*
I will say that some spices in my experience can be scary. I will single out the blend DEMON because this is the only brand which cause me to have recurring experiences [(being made seem more real and fool me into even physical response or momentary ,fear,pain etc. because of the slight hallucinogenic capabilities (the brand red magic made me full on trip if i had too much)] with the memory of a meat slicer i cut myself on once.. it coming to mind while in this state allowed me to experience the thought too 'real-ie' and for a moment feel the real pain of the situation, then once this had happened i proceded to ponder on what had just happend to me and the nature of the anxiety involved changed, the meat slicer was gone but the thought of being in the pain was almost pressing at times and had to be shooken off, the affect then came back the next time a tried demon and reached the same 'level'. Needless to say i got scurred of it, so i got a G of some bud from a buddy… then… WTF i had the experience again while i was high (it was a clean bowl btw trolls). THEN I REALIZED WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THE EXPERIENCE I FELT WAS ALLOWED TO BE SO STRONG BE MY ALTERED STATE ON DEMON… IT BECAME IMMEDIATELY RECALLABLE LIKE A MEMORY IN ITSELF APART FROM THE ORIGINAL MEAT SLICER ACCIDENT, WHEN HIGH ON THC I IN A SENSE REMINDED MYSELF OF THE INTENSE INSTANCE ON DEMON, WAS ABLE TO RECALL HOW STRONGLY I REACTED AND PROVOKE IT IN MYSELF. LIKE REMEMBERING THINGS FROM YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WHILE ON A TRIP.
this being the case let it also be known the SAME AFFECT IS TO BE HAD FOR ELATION AND ACCIDENTALLY LETTING GO TO A MOMENT OF TOTAL BLISS.
YOU CANNOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS GOOD TRIP BAD TRIP IDEA, AND CENSORING YOUR OWN MIND THROUGH A DRUG INDUCED STATE UNLESS YOU HAVE YOURSELF EXPERIENCED IT. THE LEVEL OF COMPREHENSION IS COMPLETELY ALTERED AND CANNOT BE COMPARED. Any actions by any person affected by most mainstream spices are there own actions, they may simply be letting the substance affect them far too much.
A man beats his kids because he's drunk, is the drink a factor, likely, is the drink the source of the dark thought process that led the man to beat his kids. no. he is. i can go get drunk and write on the sidewalk with my neice a not be tempted to throw her across the driveway lol. THE ACTIONS WONT MANIFEST IF THE THOUGHT PROCESS DOESNT EXSIST.
To instances regarding the spacing out of an individual then snapping back to it, its a drug induced day dream you describe… like a thought adventure. They are just pursuing the thoughts in their head to the point that outer stimuli seem lessened, thens its like hah woah i can beleive i just spent two minutes thinking about what it would be like if broccoli came in different colors or literally anything you can imagine… cause its the imagination were talking about here.
SO THIS TALK ABOUT PANIC ATTACKS IS BUNKED. YOU WILL HAVE ONE IF YOUR MIND IS OPEN TO FEAR.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, NATURAL IS THE BEST ANSWER.
AND ITS NOT GOOD TO HAVE SUBSTANCES WITH HALLUCINATORY CAPABILITIES WITH THE USERS EXPECTING A PURELY DOPAMIN EFFECT.
March 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I smoked the synthetics for about two years. I used it because i suffer from chronic pain but my place of employment constantly did random drug tests. I smoked it with many friends. I only saw one person “freak out” after smoking. Yes, he was paranoid. but after being talked to by a friend, he was calm and it was all good. But the statement is true that getting high isn’t for everyone. Anyway, after two years of smoking this stuff the only bad effect i encountered was a sore throat. It took two years of smoking this stuff to get a sore throat and people are talking about taking one hit and feeling like they’re going to die? I find this baffling. You have to know you and know what you’re getting into. That’s all it really comes down to. I’m not saying that the stuff is safe because well, it’s not. What I am saying, is that every person is different. And yes, we are all responsible for our own actions. Everyone wants this stuff to be banned and taken out of stores because people, mainly kids/teenagers are experiencing health problems from it. What about all of the health problems that come from drinking? Smoking cigarettes? Pipe tobacco? How about this…lets ban fast food because it’s causing heart problems, liver disease, obesity(which can then cause asthma), Diabetes…need i go on? And parents are shoving these health risks down their childrens’ throats before they can even say mommy or daddy. Personally, I’d rather do something that could end my life right then and there than consume fast food which could make me live unhappily for the rest of my life. Just Sayin. I’m 25 years old by the way. Just so you people know that this isn’t some uneducated, uninformed kid who just wants to get high. I now have a different job which allows me to smoke real weed and im very happy about this. I would advise everyone to stick to mary jane. but if for some reason you can’t and you have to turn to the alternative, just do your research and take it slow.
April 22nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
I will NEVER, touch these “spices” again. I’ve smoked pot for a long time, and a lot of it, might I add. Last semester I started smoking some of the various brands and types of “legal herb” with a few of my friends in college. A little didn’t seem to affect me so much, so I kept on smoking it. It was fun, we would get stoned like we would if we were smoking real bud and everything was alright. Christmas break came around and we all went home so we quit smoking it. I had smoked it a few seperate times since then and everything was alright still, until last night(April 21, 2012). I took one huge hit of this shit out of a gravity bong and held it in for a few seconds. I’d done this several time with both real bud and this synthetic crap, so I wasn’t the least bit worried, until about 3-5 minutes later. I started hallucinating so bad that I thought I could feel my body coming ang going from itself while still somehow staying in the same place. I had to pee but while on my way to the restroom I started to feel like throwing up. This high from this stuff made me concentrate on not puking all over the carpet that I completely forgot about having to pee and just pissed my pants uncontrolably and not even knowingly at the time. When I finally got to the bathroom and started to vomit, I was tripping out so bad I thought I was vomiting up blood, and a large amount of it. I had completely lost memory of anything I had eaten that day that could have been red. Crying in fear I screamed relentlessly for my friend to come and tell me what I had eaten and to take me to the hospital. This “legal herb”, made me trip so bad that I thought I was literally vomiting up mass amounts of blood and lung tissue. It was chocolate, and a hamburger that I had eaten for supper. I wasn’t vomitting blood or lung tissue like I had been thinking. After calming down about the vomit, and getting some clothes to change into, I was alone in the bathroom and started looking at the mirror. Still under the effects of the shit that I had so stupidly put into my body, I started tripping again; thinking that somehow I was the person in the mirror looking back at me, and that I was just some being in the bathroom. At this point, I thought I had permafried myself. I literally thought that I had screwed my brain up for the rest of my life. It took me like twenty minutes to calm myself down and get changed to get out of the bathroom. About 5 minutes after, the effects we completely gone.
Look people, I don’t care what’s going to be put up after this post. I know that there will be people laughing at me and my story, or thinking, “wow, this guy is a fuckin nut case and an idiot.” If you’re on this page looking at this stuff, you obviously had some curiousity of the effects of this stuff and somehwere deep down, a bit of concern about it. So go on and say whatever you want, but I’ve got friends that have done massive amounts of lucy/acid and mushrooms, and they said none of them were ever like this stuff, and I’m talking like several hits of acid at once, or like almost 12 grams of some potent ass shrooms. It fucks up your brain.
I just want the people out there that do give a shit and are worried about their loved ones or even themselves personaly experimenting with it, this is a first hand experience of what this stuff. Please don’t mess with it, not out of fear for it, but simply the respect of your body and your life. If I hadn’t had my friends there to calm me down, there’s no telling what I might have done. If you wanna get high, hit up your local pot dealer, cause believe me I know there’s one in just about every city, and get you some good ole Mary Jane. Get blazed as fuck, the natural, unharmful way, that it’s been being done for hundreds upon hundreds of years.
April 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 am
well let me start by saying that i have been an on and off user of ‘synthetics’ for about two years. i was introduced to it by my bro and a friend. we were sittin around scrapin rez to smoke due to the lack of real weed in my area when my friiend told me that for 20 bux i could go to the beer distributer and buy this one shit called Flame that was legal and would get us stoned out of our minds. he decribed it as insence and said it was herbs and legal, and therefore must be safe. i actually kida doubted that i would get high at all, i mean come on, its legal.long story short, i bought it, we smoked it and i was wrong. i was indeed high as a motherfucker, complete with the muchies, red eyes,etc.. i didnt notice any ill effects and we continued to use Flame aas a substitute whenever the real thing was unavailable. then the beer distributer stopped selling it….
this should have been a red flag, but we saw it as a simple inconvenience caused by the prudes in town (anyone from mckees rocks, pa will understand that logic) and since we couldnt get it in town anymore that was prettymuch the end of it for a while.that is until i discovered it was being sold at
a different store but it was called Barely Legal, and was sold in a pouch instead of a little plastic jar. i opened it and found that there was little blue and red things mixed in with it. i thought to myself ‘Oooo, a piece of candy!’ (family guy episode with james woods haha) i packed a bowl and hit it like a champ 3 or 4 times then got on the bus. about ten min later i noticed a twitchy feeling throughout my whole body. it was infrequent, once or twice every few min, and it felt like my body would jump the way it does when someone scares you. it was accompanied by nausea and faint flashes of light at the same time aas the ‘jump’. it scared me and i threw the rest of it away. i did not want to experience that ever again.
fast forward 10 months….i hadnt touched any synthetics since the bus ride, just the real deal. then i was put on probation and it wasnt a very good idea to get caught smokin weed so i was again on the hunt for the fake shit. i found it, it was called Smokin Camel. i bought a jar at the gas station and called a friend to come over and burn one. we decided to hit the bar and we packed it up in the car and powersmoked it before we walked in. all was well until we got inside. my friend said he felt weird, i told him just relax and it would be okay. wrong again.
within minuites he was crying on the bar talkin about i had to help him cuz he was gonna have a heart attack and he was scared because he was gonna die and to call his wife and call 911 and basically was trippin the fuck out. then he fell on the floor and seized, scarin the shit outta everyone. i thought i killed my friend. he sat up and threw up all over himself just as i was being ‘escorted’ out the door. just before he hit the floor he told the barmaid i gave him something to smoke in the parkinglot and she had me removed. i dont blame her, it was my fault. fortunatly, my frind is alive and kickin, and is still my friend.
that was the last i touched it until about 2 months ago. my little sister (im 26, shes 19…)discovered it in a local smokeshop in her town. she is on probation and like many many others, is using it as a substitute for weed. i agreed to smoke with her, and thats when i had my own horrible experience. we smoked Barely legal, only without the red and blue shit in it. i assumed it was all the same and i rolled a joint cuz i know she can handle it and thought that i knew what to expect. again, i was wrong. notice a pattern yet? we smoked it and i noticed my heartrate was increasing and i was taken back to that day at the bar. in minuites i was sweating and shaking, heartrate was so high i honestly thot to myself ‘so this is how it feels to die’. i started to panic and dialed 911. it went to a fucking answering machine! i hung up and called poison control and spoke with a woman who told me to get to the hospital. we hung up and i went in the bathroom and sat on the toilet cuz i didnt want to shit myself all over my sisters couch when i died. i have never been so scared in my life. 911 called me back and said they had a hangup call from my number and was everyone alright good thing i wasnt really dying kudos, 911… obviously i didnt die but no more fake shit for me or her. i decided to be her big brother instead of her friend and i refuse to let her smoke it. i know she still does sometimes when she goes out with her friends, but i do everything i can to keep it away from her. id rather see her smoke weed, piss dirty, and go to jail than see her smoke that shit.
i know this is a bit long winded ans im sorry for that, but i want to make it known that this shit is not cool. it should be illegal. im aware thats not gonna stop it but fuck at least dont condone it by selling it legally. im all for gettin high, but keep it natural. there are much better drugs out there than some chemicals created in a lab.
however, i do agree with some of the comments above that mention the theory that its about state of mind and the person more than the substance being used. take shrooms for example, some people eat a few caps and have the the time of their lives, another person can eat those same caps and never be the same again.
im no expert and im in no position to tell anyone what to do or not to do. the best i can offer is this little story and the advice to anyone thinkin about smokin that shit to start slow, one or two hits, dont hold it in and definatly dont do it if your prone to anxiety or panic attacks.
the last thing i want to say is that i really would like to raise awareness about the shit, maybe compile some other peoples stories ans experiences and try to introduce some kind of literature into the public schools or something. anyone with comments, ideas, or suggestions feel free to email me judoublegalo85@gmail.com
April 27th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Nothing inhaled as far as smoking is no good for you, however a responsible smoker knows not to over do it. Incense are.meant to be casuallly enjoyed by smoking it in a joint small quanities, its not until subjects seek that intense blast and use a aparatus such as pipes and bongs to inhale large quanities of smoke over doing the high causing the heart to strain stress and over work……bottom line..smoke drink and f*ck responsibily.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
man talk about heart attack … i smoke some and my heart beated so fast i just wanted the high to be over with… its a rollercoaster that makes you wish you had taken the chicken exit.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I believe I can put alot of this to rest…..Chooch has the effects down to a science. I am 26 I had the attack nearly a year ago. I smoked pot for well over ten years, and have tried just about every drug under the sun at least once. I now have a panic disorder due to the newer chemicals in the incense I smoked. I can no longer smoke anything as it tends to bring the anxiety attack festering back up. I believe the deaths due to this were simply people who could not handle this feeling and may have had heart problems prior to this. People in excellent physical condition have had heart attacks, anxiety, and stress. Theres no doubt that this stuff is extremely dangerous and is easily linked to all the problems listed above. I will probably never be the same due to my own stupidity to believe that this stuff was ok to smoke. Im ok with knowing that im getting just what I deserved for trying it. I still feel the effects of those herbal smokes even now almost a year later, and it may take even years longer for my body to return to normal and flush the chemicals out of my system. I only wish I had researched it before I smoked it so I could just stick with marijuana and been happy. Maybe slightly slow to react and have a horrible memory. But, I would choose that any day over how I feel now. But I thank all of you for your inputs they have helped me alot.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
My bfs roommate became addicted to this and caused him to kill himself. Side effects can be extreme. Don’t be stupid for a minor buzz to deal with life. It is a psychotic drug and can be seriously bad for some people. Who knew a legal supposed herb could cause such a tragedy and ruin so many peoples lives. Be smart ts called the mad hatter for a reason.
May 8th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Spent 180 dollars on One Stop Atomi Spice and dumped it all down the toilet, every bag gone. Glad i did it too because the shit would have killed me, why sell or give to a friend when it could kill them? Toilet is where it belongs. The chinese make these chemicals the send to america it concentrated vials, they take the vials dillute them then use spray to spray on the herbs that are otherwise harmless. They have no real way of telling if the sprayed to much on an area at all. Not to mention anything from the chinese are usually dangerous think about it. My experience from the stuff hase been educating to say the least. I have become so dependent on marijuana that when i when finally whent to get a real job in the oilfield i just had to figure out a way to get the THC type affects. So i tried spice, it held me over. ordered 200 dollars worth on spicychikin.com they need to be sued by the way. smoked some today after 3 days without weed and i almost fucking died. Chest pains evrything on my hands and knees
May 10th, 2012 at 2:09 am
I not only broke up with my incredible boyfriend over K2 but I called the sheriffs office on it. This stuff is crazy. He was having MASSIVE panic attacks, was seen in our small town walking on streets talking to himself, punching in the air like shadowboxing, and rambling on and on about people that were “after” him. He also, uncharactistically, was lying and lying and lying. This is some nasty shit. He had to go to the county mental health department. It destroyed a great relationship. He is not legally allowed to contact me anymore. This shit is crazy. I don’t think he will ever recover.
May 12th, 2012 at 2:19 am
This stuff is no joke my friend ex. similar symptoms as those listed here but i did notice one that wasent listed he would get the panic attacks/impending doom feeling but as-well as most the stuff listed here but one thing that you don’t hear much about it caused him to burp constantly making him feel as if he couldn’t breath would some times last hours but i have also noticed if u keep to the stuff that has been tested on a chem level and you have exp the smoke b4 you norm wont run into to many problems i personalty use it cause i cant get high on the real herb iv smoked it for far to long just dosent work with me anymore unless i take a super tiny bit of the spice i use and i mean really tiny amount not even enough to do anything alone by itself and add it to the top of some bud doing it this way iv never had a panic attack none of the symptoms mention above and i can finally get high once again been doing this for about 2 years now and not one issue i use the spice called stoopid what ppl need to realize is anything can be bad for you its all about moderation and perpetration of the mind i don’t understand what ppl expect when they are expecting a bad side effect still light it up of coarse your going to feel bad weather it be a bad batch, bad train of thought at the time of your smoke, placebo, or you just stumbled across the holy grail of greedy bastards that care for one thing $$$$ and have no concern about their client base
May 13th, 2012 at 2:37 am
Elieen sounds like the guy suffered from a psychotic type illness and it was triggered by his use of drugs….and what do you do ? leave him….so much for love and a “great” relationship.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Its clear that this stuff is just marijuana’s angry older brother, this information states that it just activates the same receptors in the brain that THC does but does it with a more of a kick. i have personally smoked both pot and k2 and the difference is noticable. but i also came to the obvious conclusion that if a smoker doesnt super smoke that stuff then all these helath issues can be avoided. MOderation will save your life when it comes to the k2.
May 19th, 2012 at 2:16 am
Just as someone who cant handle strong pot and/or has a weak mind intense anxiety, paranoia, disassociation, and ego death are very common. EXPECT THEM. These synths, though, cause your heart to race BEFORE you consciously think about it. Unnatural. Do any actual users here deny chest pains even after discontinued use? Ive smoked pot for 10 years (im 28) and tried the Kush products less than 10 times and can recognize the physical affect of whatever compound is in it or “legal” right now.
If you arent experienced and very strong minded, and willed, it will defeat you mentally and probably physically because of that. Your mind is more powerful than you think when you elevate your consiousness to such an extreme level. Just use logic – if you still can.
May 19th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
My buddy just had a heart attack at 31 cause of this stuff. Legalize weed and people will not have to turn to alternatives like synthetic pot. There’s a reason why judges, police officers, military personnel, or anyone who has a job that tests for weed. They all turn to harder drugs that are basically undetectable unless tested within a day or two of use. If they legalized weed then everyone would come back down to their drug of choice. Marijuana!
May 19th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I just did this shit last night. Please read my story. 2 of us where over at a friends house, we all wanted to smoke some weed. The kids house we were at had to stay clean from a drug test the next day (today as im writhing this). He stayed home because he couldnt smoke anyways. We called like 8 people but only this one kid answered. We picked it up from him, he was pinching some out from this shiny bag with the letters “Bob Marley Purple Haze” We went back and I was scared to smoke synth shit but my friend said it was fine. The kids house we were at did it too because the synthetic shit wont show on a dtest. I took to big first hits, felt a little slow, and a while later took one more. That was IT. I was fucked. My friends did more then me and they where fine. I tried laying various places wishing the terrible buzz would leave me alone. I felt like a tuning fork and had this sickening sweet taste in my mouth. It got worse and worse and I thought I was going to die. I pulled out my phone and somehow managed to get it recording. I said my goodbyes to my whole family and apologized many times in the video, it was very emotional but I somehow couldn’t cry. The BUZZ was SO overwhelming. I felt like rollers where rolling through my body (only way to describe this, sorry) only to find it was me rubbing my foot against my leg causing the sensation. At one point I could not move and I was pretty sure I had a seizure. Heres a timeline: Started at 1AM, lasted to about 2AM, and at 7:56PM, yes, 16 hours later, I still feel weird. Anyways, that night was the worst night ever, I almost fucked up and called the ER like 6 different times. I couldn’t focus on anything at all and was just buzzing violently.
IMPORTANT ARGUMENTAL PARAGRAPH:
To those of you that say “You dont do it right” and “It had weak effects on me” and “Its fine” ect, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ASSUME THIS IS ALL THE SAME? Theres so much of this synthetic shit out there and its alll different. I would honestly rather anyone do COCAINE then this stuff because at least with cocaine you have a better chance on knowing whats in it and its actually natural with the long term effects studied. With this synthetic shit, you never know whats in it. This chemical and others like it was just developed in the 90s, and never really used until like 2002, and only really widely used around 2009-now, WE DO NOT KNOW THE LONG TERM EFFECTS ON THIS STUFF. I honestly feel dummer already and I hope it wears off.
IN SUMMARY:
DO NOT DO IT. Do weed, shrooms, lsd, something with KNOWN effects that you can actually contemplate. Please dont do it.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:56 am
i have smoked this stuff since it came out and i have had not a thing happen and the other day i smoked some and my chest hert so bad i went to the hospital and the said i was having a bad panic atack and the had to slow my heart down or i was going to have a heart atack my chest is in so much pain and i have to take meds now to help with that but my shits not the same im done with it and you should be too
May 20th, 2012 at 3:04 am
Last night, I was staying at my sisters house. I am 19 years old and I must admit, REAL marijuana is an excellent way to relax. I went to her house and took a shower. By the time I got out, her new roommates were there with a type of synthetic pot called FEMME FATALE. My sister came up to me saying, “Maddie, you should try this it’s crazy.” So, I hit it three times, by the second hit, I was feeling a complete numbness of my body, and I enjoyed it. By the third hit, my sister was screaming for help. I walked into the house and realized I was EXTREMELY DISORIENTED. I could barely speak, and realized I was beginning to HALLUCINATE. I ran into the bathroom where she was standing in freezing cold water and said “TAKE ME TO THE HOSPITAL.” I sat down on the toilet and my HEART BEGAN TO RACE. I thought I was having a heart attack, and my vision was blurred. My sister said her heart was pounding too. I told her that everything she was experiencing, was happening to me too, therefore I couldn’t drive her to the hospital… I also felt my HEAD WAS TIGHT as if someone put a rubber band around my brain and squeezed. This panic and mania lasted for a good 45 minutes but felt like hours and I had my neighbor come get me at 3 in the morning to take me to my house. I’ve been sleeping with my mom for the past two nights from terrible INSOMNIA and ANXIETY. I woke up realizing I couldn’t find my keys, therefore, I can’t get to work. I have been in an awful anxiety attack for almost 48 hours now, and I am still in a state of paranoia. I don’t know when this will go away but hopefully soon. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT SMOKE SYNTHETIC POT. It is NOTHING LIKE MARIJUANA, and it will cause you to have an awful experience, bad hallucinations, inability to control movement (like walking, and even speaking), and the worst part is because your heart races so incredibly fast, you will feel like you are dying. P.S- I still cannot find my keys. :/ P.S.S- Feel free to reply with any information or feedback. Thank you.
May 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Blends differ in strength. Being sold as weed alllllll over Vegas. Took 1/2 a 1 hitter of godfather and I thought I was going to die ect.. Being attacked almost attacked someone else… Every bad thing is true… They are overdosing people .. I took a 1/2 1 hitter… How do you go slower after smoking others that are much weaker….was called godfather. Stay the f away at all costs. I’m willing to give
My real name and address bc I feel it needs to be know that much. 15-16 year old kids get ahold of this. Yes they will be hospitalized. Shot was like dmt bad anxiety ect… Nobody is signing up for that. Not like weed at all.
May 20th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Please please
Please listen to me…. If you had the worst panic attack of your life..mixed with insanity and near death experience….. That’s what I went through…you have to be mentally strong to even hold on and not let your mind take over and lose control ….don’t smoke some weak blend and come running your mouth like you know what’s up…..the stuff is no joke….I can only
Imagine what woulda happened if I smoked a few quick hits off a j or blunt…I could easily see how people go to the hospital… You are caught totally off guard….I’ll openly admit I’m a drug user and this shot shocked me
Like no other…stay away from it…even after you come Down from the initial 35 minutes of absolute insanity it leaves you shook up and questioning life itself…all this fro
Trying to find “weed” on vacation…. Ida brought it but we all know airports these days.. It’s a no go….these research chemical are getting out of control ad something needs to be done….I mean they should Atleast inform you of what may happen as we all know ” it’s not for human consumption”…but like spray paint , it should say what does happen off of how much if you do ingest it.. ect….”trying a hit” is all it takes…. I repeat stay away and beware …its not a joke and I hope these comments Atleast prevent a person or 2 from going through what I did…. Do your part and keep people informed… The more this gets out the quicker it will end…. Stop the insanity
May 21st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
This legal stuff can be dangerous but its not if you use it in moderation ive smoked it for years with no problems the only od ive ever heard of around here was some dumb ass kid thought it would be a good idea to smoke 10 grams of it in one sitting and he j ust got high out of his mind lol idk i rather see this stuff go and real weed legalized it would make alot more sense just my 2 cents
May 22nd, 2012 at 1:20 am
I almost died today becuz of that legal shit. My heart was beating about 250 beats per min, thought I was going to die. Here’s a tip people, smoke the real stuff, not that fake shit, this will change me forever
May 22nd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Please keep in mind that “blends” are sprayed with the chemical and nuking a bowl on first hit (before your friends) is going to give you the highest dose, not them. Roll it and puff slowly.
Also we must be aware of the hundreds of different synthetic cannabinoids on the research chemical market. They are not all the same. Some are stronger on the CB1 receptor(mental) and others on CB2 (physical) hell, some “blends” have multiple chemicals and even salvia leaves in them.
It is imperative that a user actually knows what theyre putting in to their body. Its not a toy its a research chemical. And a few cause cancer in rats. (select few have been lab tested) and a few suppress cancer. They are mostly tested on rats, if at all, and not humans.
Regards,