Comments on: What Is Synthetic Pot, and Why’s It Causing Heart Attacks in Teenagers?

By: W

Tue, 22 May 2012 17:56:50 +0000

Please keep in mind that “blends” are sprayed with the chemical and nuking a bowl on first hit (before your friends) is going to give you the highest dose, not them. Roll it and puff slowly.

Also we must be aware of the hundreds of different synthetic cannabinoids on the research chemical market. They are not all the same. Some are stronger on the CB1 receptor(mental) and others on CB2 (physical) hell, some “blends” have multiple chemicals and even salvia leaves in them.

It is imperative that a user actually knows what theyre putting in to their body. Its not a toy its a research chemical. And a few cause cancer in rats. (select few have been lab tested) and a few suppress cancer. They are mostly tested on rats, if at all, and not humans.
Regards,

By: Colton

Colton — Tue, 22 May 2012 05:20:55 +0000

I almost died today becuz of that legal shit. My heart was beating about 250 beats per min, thought I was going to die. Here’s a tip people, smoke the real stuff, not that fake shit, this will change me forever

By: mike

mike — Tue, 22 May 2012 01:42:07 +0000

This legal stuff can be dangerous but its not if you use it in moderation ive smoked it for years with no problems the only od ive ever heard of around here was some dumb ass kid thought it would be a good idea to smoke 10 grams of it in one sitting and he j ust got high out of his mind lol idk i rather see this stuff go and real weed legalized it would make alot more sense just my 2 cents

By: Matt s

Matt s — Mon, 21 May 2012 01:28:01 +0000

Please please
Please listen to me…. If you had the worst panic attack of your life..mixed with insanity and near death experience….. That’s what I went through…you have to be mentally strong to even hold on and not let your mind take over and lose control ….don’t smoke some weak blend and come running your mouth like you know what’s up…..the stuff is no joke….I can only
Imagine what woulda happened if I smoked a few quick hits off a j or blunt…I could easily see how people go to the hospital… You are caught totally off guard….I’ll openly admit I’m a drug user and this shot shocked me
Like no other…stay away from it…even after you come Down from the initial 35 minutes of absolute insanity it leaves you shook up and questioning life itself…all this fro
Trying to find “weed” on vacation…. Ida brought it but we all know airports these days.. It’s a no go….these research chemical are getting out of control ad something needs to be done….I mean they should Atleast inform you of what may happen as we all know ” it’s not for human consumption”…but like spray paint , it should say what does happen off of how much if you do ingest it.. ect….”trying a hit” is all it takes…. I repeat stay away and beware …its not a joke and I hope these comments Atleast prevent a person or 2 from going through what I did…. Do your part and keep people informed… The more this gets out the quicker it will end…. Stop the insanity

By: Matt s

Matt s — Mon, 21 May 2012 00:49:37 +0000

Blends differ in strength. Being sold as weed alllllll over Vegas. Took 1/2 a 1 hitter of godfather and I thought I was going to die ect.. Being attacked almost attacked someone else… Every bad thing is true… They are overdosing people .. I took a 1/2 1 hitter… How do you go slower after smoking others that are much weaker….was called godfather. Stay the f away at all costs. I’m willing to give
My real name and address bc I feel it needs to be know that much. 15-16 year old kids get ahold of this. Yes they will be hospitalized. Shot was like dmt bad anxiety ect… Nobody is signing up for that. Not like weed at all.

By: Madeline

Madeline — Sun, 20 May 2012 07:04:07 +0000

Last night, I was staying at my sisters house. I am 19 years old and I must admit, REAL marijuana is an excellent way to relax. I went to her house and took a shower. By the time I got out, her new roommates were there with a type of synthetic pot called FEMME FATALE. My sister came up to me saying, “Maddie, you should try this it’s crazy.” So, I hit it three times, by the second hit, I was feeling a complete numbness of my body, and I enjoyed it. By the third hit, my sister was screaming for help. I walked into the house and realized I was EXTREMELY DISORIENTED. I could barely speak, and realized I was beginning to HALLUCINATE. I ran into the bathroom where she was standing in freezing cold water and said “TAKE ME TO THE HOSPITAL.” I sat down on the toilet and my HEART BEGAN TO RACE. I thought I was having a heart attack, and my vision was blurred. My sister said her heart was pounding too. I told her that everything she was experiencing, was happening to me too, therefore I couldn’t drive her to the hospital… I also felt my HEAD WAS TIGHT as if someone put a rubber band around my brain and squeezed. This panic and mania lasted for a good 45 minutes but felt like hours and I had my neighbor come get me at 3 in the morning to take me to my house. I’ve been sleeping with my mom for the past two nights from terrible INSOMNIA and ANXIETY. I woke up realizing I couldn’t find my keys, therefore, I can’t get to work. I have been in an awful anxiety attack for almost 48 hours now, and I am still in a state of paranoia. I don’t know when this will go away but hopefully soon. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT SMOKE SYNTHETIC POT. It is NOTHING LIKE MARIJUANA, and it will cause you to have an awful experience, bad hallucinations, inability to control movement (like walking, and even speaking), and the worst part is because your heart races so incredibly fast, you will feel like you are dying. P.S- I still cannot find my keys. :/ P.S.S- Feel free to reply with any information or feedback. Thank you.

By: smoker

smoker — Sun, 20 May 2012 05:56:48 +0000

i have smoked this stuff since it came out and i have had not a thing happen and the other day i smoked some and my chest hert so bad i went to the hospital and the said i was having a bad panic atack and the had to slow my heart down or i was going to have a heart atack my chest is in so much pain and i have to take meds now to help with that but my shits not the same im done with it and you should be too

By: Carlos

Carlos — Sun, 20 May 2012 01:07:39 +0000

I just did this shit last night. Please read my story. 2 of us where over at a friends house, we all wanted to smoke some weed. The kids house we were at had to stay clean from a drug test the next day (today as im writhing this). He stayed home because he couldnt smoke anyways. We called like 8 people but only this one kid answered. We picked it up from him, he was pinching some out from this shiny bag with the letters “Bob Marley Purple Haze” We went back and I was scared to smoke synth shit but my friend said it was fine. The kids house we were at did it too because the synthetic shit wont show on a dtest. I took to big first hits, felt a little slow, and a while later took one more. That was IT. I was fucked. My friends did more then me and they where fine. I tried laying various places wishing the terrible buzz would leave me alone. I felt like a tuning fork and had this sickening sweet taste in my mouth. It got worse and worse and I thought I was going to die. I pulled out my phone and somehow managed to get it recording. I said my goodbyes to my whole family and apologized many times in the video, it was very emotional but I somehow couldn’t cry. The BUZZ was SO overwhelming. I felt like rollers where rolling through my body (only way to describe this, sorry) only to find it was me rubbing my foot against my leg causing the sensation. At one point I could not move and I was pretty sure I had a seizure. Heres a timeline: Started at 1AM, lasted to about 2AM, and at 7:56PM, yes, 16 hours later, I still feel weird. Anyways, that night was the worst night ever, I almost fucked up and called the ER like 6 different times. I couldn’t focus on anything at all and was just buzzing violently.

IMPORTANT ARGUMENTAL PARAGRAPH:
To those of you that say “You dont do it right” and “It had weak effects on me” and “Its fine” ect, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ASSUME THIS IS ALL THE SAME? Theres so much of this synthetic shit out there and its alll different. I would honestly rather anyone do COCAINE then this stuff because at least with cocaine you have a better chance on knowing whats in it and its actually natural with the long term effects studied. With this synthetic shit, you never know whats in it. This chemical and others like it was just developed in the 90s, and never really used until like 2002, and only really widely used around 2009-now, WE DO NOT KNOW THE LONG TERM EFFECTS ON THIS STUFF. I honestly feel dummer already and I hope it wears off.

IN SUMMARY:
DO NOT DO IT. Do weed, shrooms, lsd, something with KNOWN effects that you can actually contemplate. Please dont do it.

By: Derek

Derek — Sat, 19 May 2012 19:19:24 +0000

My buddy just had a heart attack at 31 cause of this stuff. Legalize weed and people will not have to turn to alternatives like synthetic pot. There’s a reason why judges, police officers, military personnel, or anyone who has a job that tests for weed. They all turn to harder drugs that are basically undetectable unless tested within a day or two of use. If they legalized weed then everyone would come back down to their drug of choice. Marijuana!

By: W

Sat, 19 May 2012 06:16:02 +0000

Just as someone who cant handle strong pot and/or has a weak mind intense anxiety, paranoia, disassociation, and ego death are very common. EXPECT THEM. These synths, though, cause your heart to race BEFORE you consciously think about it. Unnatural. Do any actual users here deny chest pains even after discontinued use? Ive smoked pot for 10 years (im 28) and tried the Kush products less than 10 times and can recognize the physical affect of whatever compound is in it or “legal” right now.

If you arent experienced and very strong minded, and willed, it will defeat you mentally and probably physically because of that. Your mind is more powerful than you think when you elevate your consiousness to such an extreme level. Just use logic – if you still can.

By: Wayde

Wayde — Sat, 19 May 2012 01:44:10 +0000

Its clear that this stuff is just marijuana’s angry older brother, this information states that it just activates the same receptors in the brain that THC does but does it with a more of a kick. i have personally smoked both pot and k2 and the difference is noticable. but i also came to the obvious conclusion that if a smoker doesnt super smoke that stuff then all these helath issues can be avoided. MOderation will save your life when it comes to the k2.

By: ned

ned — Sun, 13 May 2012 06:37:59 +0000

Elieen sounds like the guy suffered from a psychotic type illness and it was triggered by his use of drugs….and what do you do ? leave him….so much for love and a “great” relationship.

By: splif

splif — Sat, 12 May 2012 06:19:31 +0000

This stuff is no joke my friend ex. similar symptoms as those listed here but i did notice one that wasent listed he would get the panic attacks/impending doom feeling but as-well as most the stuff listed here but one thing that you don’t hear much about it caused him to burp constantly making him feel as if he couldn’t breath would some times last hours but i have also noticed if u keep to the stuff that has been tested on a chem level and you have exp the smoke b4 you norm wont run into to many problems i personalty use it cause i cant get high on the real herb iv smoked it for far to long just dosent work with me anymore unless i take a super tiny bit of the spice i use and i mean really tiny amount not even enough to do anything alone by itself and add it to the top of some bud doing it this way iv never had a panic attack none of the symptoms mention above and i can finally get high once again been doing this for about 2 years now and not one issue i use the spice called stoopid what ppl need to realize is anything can be bad for you its all about moderation and perpetration of the mind i don’t understand what ppl expect when they are expecting a bad side effect still light it up of coarse your going to feel bad weather it be a bad batch, bad train of thought at the time of your smoke, placebo, or you just stumbled across the holy grail of greedy bastards that care for one thing $$$$ and have no concern about their client base

By: Eileen

Eileen — Thu, 10 May 2012 06:09:08 +0000

I not only broke up with my incredible boyfriend over K2 but I called the sheriffs office on it. This stuff is crazy. He was having MASSIVE panic attacks, was seen in our small town walking on streets talking to himself, punching in the air like shadowboxing, and rambling on and on about people that were “after” him. He also, uncharactistically, was lying and lying and lying. This is some nasty shit. He had to go to the county mental health department. It destroyed a great relationship. He is not legally allowed to contact me anymore. This shit is crazy. I don’t think he will ever recover.

By: Devan

Devan — Tue, 08 May 2012 04:40:02 +0000

Spent 180 dollars on One Stop Atomi Spice and dumped it all down the toilet, every bag gone. Glad i did it too because the shit would have killed me, why sell or give to a friend when it could kill them? Toilet is where it belongs. The chinese make these chemicals the send to america it concentrated vials, they take the vials dillute them then use spray to spray on the herbs that are otherwise harmless. They have no real way of telling if the sprayed to much on an area at all. Not to mention anything from the chinese are usually dangerous think about it. My experience from the stuff hase been educating to say the least. I have become so dependent on marijuana that when i when finally whent to get a real job in the oilfield i just had to figure out a way to get the THC type affects. So i tried spice, it held me over. ordered 200 dollars worth on spicychikin.com they need to be sued by the way. smoked some today after 3 days without weed and i almost fucking died. Chest pains evrything on my hands and knees

By: Nunya

Nunya — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:42:10 +0000

My bfs roommate became addicted to this and caused him to kill himself. Side effects can be extreme. Don’t be stupid for a minor buzz to deal with life. It is a psychotic drug and can be seriously bad for some people. Who knew a legal supposed herb could cause such a tragedy and ruin so many peoples lives. Be smart ts called the mad hatter for a reason.

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:23:15 +0000

I believe I can put alot of this to rest…..Chooch has the effects down to a science. I am 26 I had the attack nearly a year ago. I smoked pot for well over ten years, and have tried just about every drug under the sun at least once. I now have a panic disorder due to the newer chemicals in the incense I smoked. I can no longer smoke anything as it tends to bring the anxiety attack festering back up. I believe the deaths due to this were simply people who could not handle this feeling and may have had heart problems prior to this. People in excellent physical condition have had heart attacks, anxiety, and stress. Theres no doubt that this stuff is extremely dangerous and is easily linked to all the problems listed above. I will probably never be the same due to my own stupidity to believe that this stuff was ok to smoke. Im ok with knowing that im getting just what I deserved for trying it. I still feel the effects of those herbal smokes even now almost a year later, and it may take even years longer for my body to return to normal and flush the chemicals out of my system. I only wish I had researched it before I smoked it so I could just stick with marijuana and been happy. Maybe slightly slow to react and have a horrible memory. But, I would choose that any day over how I feel now. But I thank all of you for your inputs they have helped me alot.

By: Johnny

Johnny — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:45:33 +0000

man talk about heart attack … i smoke some and my heart beated so fast i just wanted the high to be over with… its a rollercoaster that makes you wish you had taken the chicken exit.

By: laponedenver

laponedenver — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:47:17 +0000

Nothing inhaled as far as smoking is no good for you, however a responsible smoker knows not to over do it. Incense are.meant to be casuallly enjoyed by smoking it in a joint small quanities, its not until subjects seek that intense blast and use a aparatus such as pipes and bongs to inhale large quanities of smoke over doing the high causing the heart to strain stress and over work……bottom line..smoke drink and f*ck responsibily.

By: steve

steve — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:30:04 +0000

well let me start by saying that i have been an on and off user of ‘synthetics’ for about two years. i was introduced to it by my bro and a friend. we were sittin around scrapin rez to smoke due to the lack of real weed in my area when my friiend told me that for 20 bux i could go to the beer distributer and buy this one shit called Flame that was legal and would get us stoned out of our minds. he decribed it as insence and said it was herbs and legal, and therefore must be safe. i actually kida doubted that i would get high at all, i mean come on, its legal.long story short, i bought it, we smoked it and i was wrong. i was indeed high as a motherfucker, complete with the muchies, red eyes,etc.. i didnt notice any ill effects and we continued to use Flame aas a substitute whenever the real thing was unavailable. then the beer distributer stopped selling it….
this should have been a red flag, but we saw it as a simple inconvenience caused by the prudes in town (anyone from mckees rocks, pa will understand that logic) and since we couldnt get it in town anymore that was prettymuch the end of it for a while.that is until i discovered it was being sold at
a different store but it was called Barely Legal, and was sold in a pouch instead of a little plastic jar. i opened it and found that there was little blue and red things mixed in with it. i thought to myself ‘Oooo, a piece of candy!’ (family guy episode with james woods haha) i packed a bowl and hit it like a champ 3 or 4 times then got on the bus. about ten min later i noticed a twitchy feeling throughout my whole body. it was infrequent, once or twice every few min, and it felt like my body would jump the way it does when someone scares you. it was accompanied by nausea and faint flashes of light at the same time aas the ‘jump’. it scared me and i threw the rest of it away. i did not want to experience that ever again.
fast forward 10 months….i hadnt touched any synthetics since the bus ride, just the real deal. then i was put on probation and it wasnt a very good idea to get caught smokin weed so i was again on the hunt for the fake shit. i found it, it was called Smokin Camel. i bought a jar at the gas station and called a friend to come over and burn one. we decided to hit the bar and we packed it up in the car and powersmoked it before we walked in. all was well until we got inside. my friend said he felt weird, i told him just relax and it would be okay. wrong again.
within minuites he was crying on the bar talkin about i had to help him cuz he was gonna have a heart attack and he was scared because he was gonna die and to call his wife and call 911 and basically was trippin the fuck out. then he fell on the floor and seized, scarin the shit outta everyone. i thought i killed my friend. he sat up and threw up all over himself just as i was being ‘escorted’ out the door. just before he hit the floor he told the barmaid i gave him something to smoke in the parkinglot and she had me removed. i dont blame her, it was my fault. fortunatly, my frind is alive and kickin, and is still my friend.
that was the last i touched it until about 2 months ago. my little sister (im 26, shes 19…)discovered it in a local smokeshop in her town. she is on probation and like many many others, is using it as a substitute for weed. i agreed to smoke with her, and thats when i had my own horrible experience. we smoked Barely legal, only without the red and blue shit in it. i assumed it was all the same and i rolled a joint cuz i know she can handle it and thought that i knew what to expect. again, i was wrong. notice a pattern yet? we smoked it and i noticed my heartrate was increasing and i was taken back to that day at the bar. in minuites i was sweating and shaking, heartrate was so high i honestly thot to myself ‘so this is how it feels to die’. i started to panic and dialed 911. it went to a fucking answering machine! i hung up and called poison control and spoke with a woman who told me to get to the hospital. we hung up and i went in the bathroom and sat on the toilet cuz i didnt want to shit myself all over my sisters couch when i died. i have never been so scared in my life. 911 called me back and said they had a hangup call from my number and was everyone alright good thing i wasnt really dying kudos, 911… obviously i didnt die but no more fake shit for me or her. i decided to be her big brother instead of her friend and i refuse to let her smoke it. i know she still does sometimes when she goes out with her friends, but i do everything i can to keep it away from her. id rather see her smoke weed, piss dirty, and go to jail than see her smoke that shit.
i know this is a bit long winded ans im sorry for that, but i want to make it known that this shit is not cool. it should be illegal. im aware thats not gonna stop it but fuck at least dont condone it by selling it legally. im all for gettin high, but keep it natural. there are much better drugs out there than some chemicals created in a lab.
however, i do agree with some of the comments above that mention the theory that its about state of mind and the person more than the substance being used. take shrooms for example, some people eat a few caps and have the the time of their lives, another person can eat those same caps and never be the same again.
im no expert and im in no position to tell anyone what to do or not to do. the best i can offer is this little story and the advice to anyone thinkin about smokin that shit to start slow, one or two hits, dont hold it in and definatly dont do it if your prone to anxiety or panic attacks.
the last thing i want to say is that i really would like to raise awareness about the shit, maybe compile some other peoples stories ans experiences and try to introduce some kind of literature into the public schools or something. anyone with comments, ideas, or suggestions feel free to email me judoublegalo85@gmail.com

By: Justin

Justin — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:31:57 +0000

I will NEVER, touch these “spices” again. I’ve smoked pot for a long time, and a lot of it, might I add. Last semester I started smoking some of the various brands and types of “legal herb” with a few of my friends in college. A little didn’t seem to affect me so much, so I kept on smoking it. It was fun, we would get stoned like we would if we were smoking real bud and everything was alright. Christmas break came around and we all went home so we quit smoking it. I had smoked it a few seperate times since then and everything was alright still, until last night(April 21, 2012). I took one huge hit of this shit out of a gravity bong and held it in for a few seconds. I’d done this several time with both real bud and this synthetic crap, so I wasn’t the least bit worried, until about 3-5 minutes later. I started hallucinating so bad that I thought I could feel my body coming ang going from itself while still somehow staying in the same place. I had to pee but while on my way to the restroom I started to feel like throwing up. This high from this stuff made me concentrate on not puking all over the carpet that I completely forgot about having to pee and just pissed my pants uncontrolably and not even knowingly at the time. When I finally got to the bathroom and started to vomit, I was tripping out so bad I thought I was vomiting up blood, and a large amount of it. I had completely lost memory of anything I had eaten that day that could have been red. Crying in fear I screamed relentlessly for my friend to come and tell me what I had eaten and to take me to the hospital. This “legal herb”, made me trip so bad that I thought I was literally vomiting up mass amounts of blood and lung tissue. It was chocolate, and a hamburger that I had eaten for supper. I wasn’t vomitting blood or lung tissue like I had been thinking. After calming down about the vomit, and getting some clothes to change into, I was alone in the bathroom and started looking at the mirror. Still under the effects of the shit that I had so stupidly put into my body, I started tripping again; thinking that somehow I was the person in the mirror looking back at me, and that I was just some being in the bathroom. At this point, I thought I had permafried myself. I literally thought that I had screwed my brain up for the rest of my life. It took me like twenty minutes to calm myself down and get changed to get out of the bathroom. About 5 minutes after, the effects we completely gone.

Look people, I don’t care what’s going to be put up after this post. I know that there will be people laughing at me and my story, or thinking, “wow, this guy is a fuckin nut case and an idiot.” If you’re on this page looking at this stuff, you obviously had some curiousity of the effects of this stuff and somehwere deep down, a bit of concern about it. So go on and say whatever you want, but I’ve got friends that have done massive amounts of lucy/acid and mushrooms, and they said none of them were ever like this stuff, and I’m talking like several hits of acid at once, or like almost 12 grams of some potent ass shrooms. It fucks up your brain.

I just want the people out there that do give a shit and are worried about their loved ones or even themselves personaly experimenting with it, this is a first hand experience of what this stuff. Please don’t mess with it, not out of fear for it, but simply the respect of your body and your life. If I hadn’t had my friends there to calm me down, there’s no telling what I might have done. If you wanna get high, hit up your local pot dealer, cause believe me I know there’s one in just about every city, and get you some good ole Mary Jane. Get blazed as fuck, the natural, unharmful way, that it’s been being done for hundreds upon hundreds of years.

By: Sam

Sam — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:56:22 +0000

I smoked the synthetics for about two years. I used it because i suffer from chronic pain but my place of employment constantly did random drug tests. I smoked it with many friends. I only saw one person “freak out” after smoking. Yes, he was paranoid. but after being talked to by a friend, he was calm and it was all good. But the statement is true that getting high isn’t for everyone. Anyway, after two years of smoking this stuff the only bad effect i encountered was a sore throat. It took two years of smoking this stuff to get a sore throat and people are talking about taking one hit and feeling like they’re going to die? I find this baffling. You have to know you and know what you’re getting into. That’s all it really comes down to. I’m not saying that the stuff is safe because well, it’s not. What I am saying, is that every person is different. And yes, we are all responsible for our own actions. Everyone wants this stuff to be banned and taken out of stores because people, mainly kids/teenagers are experiencing health problems from it. What about all of the health problems that come from drinking? Smoking cigarettes? Pipe tobacco? How about this…lets ban fast food because it’s causing heart problems, liver disease, obesity(which can then cause asthma), Diabetes…need i go on? And parents are shoving these health risks down their childrens’ throats before they can even say mommy or daddy. Personally, I’d rather do something that could end my life right then and there than consume fast food which could make me live unhappily for the rest of my life. Just Sayin. I’m 25 years old by the way. Just so you people know that this isn’t some uneducated, uninformed kid who just wants to get high. I now have a different job which allows me to smoke real weed and im very happy about this. I would advise everyone to stick to mary jane. but if for some reason you can’t and you have to turn to the alternative, just do your research and take it slow.

By: Chooch

Chooch — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:31:24 +0000

As a whole im against synthetics entirely, but i have dipped my toes
ive used a couple different spices, varying effects where-in. obv i prefer good ole bud but its not always that easy.
Ive heard lots of things about potential side effects but havent seen real data other than references to some kids that checked into thier school nurse office a COUPLE YEARS ago… and no notable stories since? if anyone has a legitimate health issue doctumented let them present it.
Here say speculation is quite foolish, even in the name of public health…(for god sakes people there’s flouride in our water supply, and mercury in our vaccinations!!)(<-research this and flourides connection to the pineal gland *NOT PENILE lol*)

Now i will say a few things, to understand the effect of the greater amount of available spices, you have to personally know how it feels to be high on thc, and have experienced some sort of hallucination be it shrooms salvia lsd… all of which are chemical variants (both synthetics, and natural growing things) of naturally occurring in our body DMT(<-research this, its what makes us dream, its created in the pineal gland)
IF YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED THESE THINGS, you cannot be expected to understand the state of mind there in, as you have NO BASIS to comprehend the state of mind. In other words, you claim to know the outcome of an experiment while your only testing the control group. You cant know what being drunk is like til you get drunk. etc.
Now, these people that are having cardiac issues and panic attacks, this is happening because they THEMSELVES are creating the issue and taking on nervousness because they were unprepared for the experience, or an obvious answer have had far too much. The only key piece of real evidence would be the exsisting TROPONIN in the muscle tissue surrounding the cardial and plural cavities. because after some possibly bingy nights i have had wierd chest pain upon waking… i have attributed this to either my workout or awkward sleep the ?two? times it occured, if i ever experience it again i will personally take a troponin test and provide my results in an open medical journal. ill link the shi+. PS you can sit in a corner and think about shit== that stresses you out and let your body be physically affected like producing adrenalin and writhing around, over contracting muscles etc to the point where you indeed produce troponin. *think of the feeling of heartache*

I will say that some spices in my experience can be scary. I will single out the blend DEMON because this is the only brand which cause me to have recurring experiences [(being made seem more real and fool me into even physical response or momentary ,fear,pain etc. because of the slight hallucinogenic capabilities (the brand red magic made me full on trip if i had too much)] with the memory of a meat slicer i cut myself on once.. it coming to mind while in this state allowed me to experience the thought too 'real-ie' and for a moment feel the real pain of the situation, then once this had happened i proceded to ponder on what had just happend to me and the nature of the anxiety involved changed, the meat slicer was gone but the thought of being in the pain was almost pressing at times and had to be shooken off, the affect then came back the next time a tried demon and reached the same 'level'. Needless to say i got scurred of it, so i got a G of some bud from a buddy… then… WTF i had the experience again while i was high (it was a clean bowl btw trolls). THEN I REALIZED WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THE EXPERIENCE I FELT WAS ALLOWED TO BE SO STRONG BE MY ALTERED STATE ON DEMON… IT BECAME IMMEDIATELY RECALLABLE LIKE A MEMORY IN ITSELF APART FROM THE ORIGINAL MEAT SLICER ACCIDENT, WHEN HIGH ON THC I IN A SENSE REMINDED MYSELF OF THE INTENSE INSTANCE ON DEMON, WAS ABLE TO RECALL HOW STRONGLY I REACTED AND PROVOKE IT IN MYSELF. LIKE REMEMBERING THINGS FROM YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WHILE ON A TRIP.

this being the case let it also be known the SAME AFFECT IS TO BE HAD FOR ELATION AND ACCIDENTALLY LETTING GO TO A MOMENT OF TOTAL BLISS.
YOU CANNOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS GOOD TRIP BAD TRIP IDEA, AND CENSORING YOUR OWN MIND THROUGH A DRUG INDUCED STATE UNLESS YOU HAVE YOURSELF EXPERIENCED IT. THE LEVEL OF COMPREHENSION IS COMPLETELY ALTERED AND CANNOT BE COMPARED. Any actions by any person affected by most mainstream spices are there own actions, they may simply be letting the substance affect them far too much.
A man beats his kids because he's drunk, is the drink a factor, likely, is the drink the source of the dark thought process that led the man to beat his kids. no. he is. i can go get drunk and write on the sidewalk with my neice a not be tempted to throw her across the driveway lol. THE ACTIONS WONT MANIFEST IF THE THOUGHT PROCESS DOESNT EXSIST.

To instances regarding the spacing out of an individual then snapping back to it, its a drug induced day dream you describe… like a thought adventure. They are just pursuing the thoughts in their head to the point that outer stimuli seem lessened, thens its like hah woah i can beleive i just spent two minutes thinking about what it would be like if broccoli came in different colors or literally anything you can imagine… cause its the imagination were talking about here.
SO THIS TALK ABOUT PANIC ATTACKS IS BUNKED. YOU WILL HAVE ONE IF YOUR MIND IS OPEN TO FEAR.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, NATURAL IS THE BEST ANSWER.
AND ITS NOT GOOD TO HAVE SUBSTANCES WITH HALLUCINATORY CAPABILITIES WITH THE USERS EXPECTING A PURELY DOPAMIN EFFECT.

By: Terrence Boepple

Terrence Boepple — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:18:22 +0000

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By: Joe

Joe — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:24:23 +0000

These compounds are NOT a substitute for marijuana, and that’s exactly why they’ve gotten such a bad rap. People ingest these compounds as if it were marijuana, and the result is people get sky high, anxiety takes over, and soon you’re in a full-blown panic attack which feels like impending death, especially if you’ve never experienced one before.

This is for sure the source of many claims involving hospitalizations, seizures, strokes, heart attacks, and so on.

Is it possible these compounds have induced those events in some individuals? Maybe.

Have these compounds actually killed people? In my opinion that’s debatable, and I wouldn’t believe any such claim unless it was backed up with solid evidence addressing cause of death and not some anecdotal story.

I have no doubt cannabis is much safer, but I also tend to think a lot of the hysteria surrounding these compounds is due to uneducated users.

By: brett

brett — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:17:45 +0000

If someone wants to take the risk of dying just like you do skydiving or bungie jumping, let them do it and worry about yourself and your own life

By: Shane

Shane — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:58:42 +0000

I know first hand what this crap is doing. After coming home one night to my wife smoking K2 she was out of here mind, saying all kinds of crazy shit. She was acting like a total dumb ass and trying to make myself and the police believed her bullshit story. Never mind the story look how there body’s act while they are on this crap. I am one that does not smoke pot however they would be better off smoking the real deal then this synthetic shit. Here is… the sad part of it all…. Even after they see things or believed that something happen after the high is gone they still believed it happen to them no matter how ridiculous the story is … NO! NO! NO! NO! BAN THIS SHIT. THIS CRAP CAUSED ME TO LOSE MY WIFE AFTER 11 YEARS not to even bring up the fact that this shit cost about $29.00 for a little pouch. think about that addiction cost every other day. I wish I could have video tape her while she was on this crap and then show her the next day.

By: Ted

Ted — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:11:04 +0000

@Kyle
The Proof is in the Pudding.

So many people randomly posting here to say they had negative experience with these synthetics. I won’t even call them synthetic ‘cannabinoids’ because fuck knows what’s in them now days.

I tried JWH-018 (I think) back in the day, intense but short lasting and didn’t do anything too outrageous. Now they’ve made that chem illegal in Aus, I tried another ‘legal’ one today because I felt like having a smoke.. And OH MY GOD.

I’ve done a lot of stupid shit and put a lot of chemicals into my body in the name of recreation but never have I got it so far wrong. One little puff was all it took and within the minute my head space was changing rapidly while my heart was racing harder and harder. I felt weak, I felt an impending sense of doom, I thought I could be having a heart attack.

For the first time in my life I found myself considering calling emergency before sensibly winding up on the floor underneath the shower trying to calm myself down. After about 20-30 minutes it was manageable… but never again. I can’t fucking imagine what I would have been like if I smoked a joint of this. I smoked about 1/3 of a cone. Effects lasted hours.

Later on I’ve come online to look at the negative side-effects and found ordinary people reporting almost carbon copy symptoms. Marijuana NEVER did anything that crazy. Fuck synthetic pot. Legalise Marijuana.

By: Kyle

Kyle — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:29:13 +0000

This is all propaganda. Scare tactics. Where is the evidence? The proof? Cite your sources for God’s sake.
I’m not saying this stuff doesn’t harm people. But honestly, chill the fuck out and go collect some proper evidence before completely dumping all faith into this heap of crap. I get tired of Americans hearing about something and blowing it all to hell. Salvia was criminalized because teenagers would smoke it, flip out and go to the hospital. If people would stop stereotyping and flipping out because some news agency runs their mouth, marijuana (and LSD, for that matter) would still be legal.
It’s true though. This stuff is ridiculous. There are no studies on many of these compounds. But people are idiots if they don’t do the research first. My best advice is just to go get some real pot.

By: ME

ME — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:39:29 +0000

I just wanted to add to this because I just lost one of my best friends to a massive heart attack at age 29. And another had a heart attack and had a pacemaker put in. This is crazy insane to me why would you intentionally put yourself at risk of having a heart attack. Who’s like hummm, I fell like getting stoned but I can’t smoke real pot because my job so I think I’ll smoke this synthetic crap and put my life at risk. Another thing I cant understand is the government will pay for studies for this crap and not for that of real marijuana. I have tried this synthetic marijuana on several occasions a few years back and found that it taste terrible, my heart rate would greatly increase causing me to have a panic attack, also if I had been drinking and decided to use this I would be almost instantly sick. Maybe there are some of you out there that think this is a great idea and it doesn’t effect you as greatly. However I can tell you this I work in the medical field and the amount of people who come in from heart problems or panic attacks from this crap is a huge number how ever not once have I heard of a patient coming in because he/she had a heart/panic attack from real marijuana. So please do not use this drug.

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:09:10 +0000

I recently tried a product called Revalation from Zombie Matter and I made the mistake of taking one whole hit and holding it for 3 seconds. I thought I was going to die, my heart was racing and it was pounding so hard it was affecting my breathing like when you pound on your chest when you talk. I have had panic attacks before and this was the mother of all panic attacks. I have an urgency to walk when im having a panic attack, to me, it helps dissapate the energy like after you run hard it’s good to walk after to slow your heart rate. On this stuff I was pacing in my yard for a half hour hoping that I wouldn’t die. I have been smoking weed for 25 years and had to stop because of drug testing for employment. They NEED to legalize marijuana and put a stop to all this fake crap. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal and they kill thousands every year. No one ever died from marijuana….EVER!!!!!!

Needless to say I threw the rest in the trash and I will wait till I have a job to smoke the real stuff again. Do yourself a favor and don’t even try it. It’s like the wild west with that stuff, you dont really know whats in it and reports of severe kidney damage are starting to surface. at the end of the day it’s not worth it. Peace and be safe

By: CRUSHER DESTROYER

CRUSHER DESTROYER — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:18:32 +0000

Synthetic cannabis is garbage. Clearly no matter what this f*cked up government will push chemical substance bullshi+ on people taking away legality of the natural herbs/pot which at least we know the side effects of over time and under the influence of unlike a research chemical where people are the test subjects of this $hit. And the retard who said its a prescription drug why can anyone go to thestore and buy it? When i had my prescription i needed my insurance card so thats obviously not the case with this crap. As long as prohibition is around people will keep using these chemicals which can sometimes be composed of acetone- an evaporator used for getting water out of gas in your car or other vehicles so consider that as well before trying this trash.

By: Chemich

Chemich — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:27:55 +0000

Can I just say first off, your DOCTOR has to RECOMMEND the use of this drug. People can be ALLERGIC to the contents INSIDE K2 or any other type of synthetic weed.

If you’re smoking synthetic weed without a prescription without clearance from your doctor, and a valid reasoning along with an analyzation of your medical history and you suffer from heart attacks and whatever else it’s your OWN FAULT. It’s meant to be a PRESCRIPTION drug, not a play toy for stressed out morons. It’s the same problem with kids messing around with heart medication to get a high. First off if you’re the parent and your kid does this stuff, it’s your fault for not parenting him in the first place.

It’s not the drug, it’s the user. Either your body isn’t supposed to be able to handle it, is allergic to it, or you’re not tuned for having any type of high.

Sure it may be sold among stores, but it doesn’t mean it’s for everyone. Anyone under 18 should not be screwing around with this stuff unless a DOCTOR says it’s okay. I’m sorry parents but it is your fault, and you’re the one accountable if anything does happen to your child. Sure it’s legal, but that doesn’t mean it won’t kill you. You can die from drinking and driving, and alcohol poisoning, but beer is sold in almost every store. You can die from many different types of medicine that’s over the counter, but they don’t illegalize that.

Just use your common sense and stop being morons. Yes I’ve smoked it before, and I had a good experience with it. Mainly for testing purposes, and I was really stressed out because of the people I have to deal with at my job. Really takes the edge off after every other person has to ask for batteries when it’s right in front of them as soon as they enter the store.

Also another things, some companies can test for this drug if they want to. Although it is new and it isn’t illegal yet, as Elmore said they can test for whatever they want to if they see fit. If you’ve ever done a certain over the counter medicine, or on the shelf medicine if they didn’t want people using it in their company that’s directive to their consent.

Crap like this is why every other country hates America, because we all seek to blame others when the problem is right in the mirror.

USE YOUR COMMON SENSE.

By: Straw Man

Straw Man — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:16:56 +0000

Speaking of dumb comments, Misty, the post referred to by “couldn’t handle their shit” was of a kid smoking, then, due to the intensity of the high, decided to get behind the wheel of a car and drive it 100 mph into a house. I don’t know about you, but if I was scared of how screwed up I was, I would not be compelled to get into a car and drive 100mph in a residential area. And if I happened to be driving during the time of consumption (terrible idea, even more so when you don’t know how you’re going to be affected), I would drive safely as possible until the nearest place to pull over.

By: amanda

amanda — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:28:02 +0000

All i have to say is i tried this as an alternative and it is the farthest thing from weed completely different high anyway after about a month i quit i was feeling suicidal i almost ended a 5 year relationship and 1 year engagement because i was literally going insane paranoia voices telling me awful things it was horrible and i quit nd in so happy i did i now have seizures that are miserable. Please don’t be an idiot smoke pot or exercise or get adrenaline this shit just sucks

By: Misty

Misty — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:57:48 +0000

Ok… Adults are not a waste of society just because they try it too. Kids are not the only un informed . They don’t tell anyone when they buy it that it can kill you. And… Just because they have a seizure and die does not mean they couldn’t handle their shit. Dumbest comment I’ve heard on here. He’ll be the next to have a seizure.due only to his stupidity.

By: Elmore

Elmore — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:59:15 +0000

Baller- your statement about what employers can test for is inaccurate. I know for a fact that companies test for nicotine and don’t hire if you pass the test because companies who do that get a break on employee health insurance rates. A company can test for whatever they like legal or not.

Anyways my opinion on the stuff:
I believe my brother is addicted to it. I have never seen him have a seizure but I have seen him sitting in the chair and become completely unresponsive to reality like his brain was just completely turned off then all of a sudden he is back like nothing happened.
My brother has apparently sold his laptop, ps3 and guitar so he could afford to by this fake weed and it appears to be ruining his life. I just hope he doesn’t die from this stuff.

By: John

John — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:43:12 +0000

I am also one of the idiotic few that started consuming Mr Nice Guy out of simple convenience of being able to buy at the local gas station. The Potency is definitely a variable and I did almost die on it. I now have a chronic heart condition called Angina and I sure am living it up! To hell with the producers of this stuff and I hope you rot just as you’ve made me. My life will never be the same again.

By: Ty

Ty — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:17:21 +0000

I myself have had 3-5 close heart attacks from the stuff,a couple anxiety attacks,and.1 seizure, and seen many other people trip out pretty bad ,but none of that convinced me to stop until I started having anxiety attacks without being under any influence.now I get them when smoking weed,i can’t enjoy any highs anymore.everyone and anyone reading, stick to weed…or a better solution, stay sober…I’m 18 and been smoking spice for around 2 years and weed for WAY longer.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:59:22 +0000

The makers of K-2 and other products close to it should have a rope around their neck, CEO and anyone else involved in it. One day there will be the wrong child who dies from it and that parent will hunt them down and well you know the rest. Teenagers or children think if you can buy it at the store it must be safe! Come on people we all know teens do not think first before it is to late. The makers should be put in jail for every child who died from this drug. Adults who smoke it, well they are just Stupid and a waste of society’s time!