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	<title>Comments on: Does a Chinese Boy Really Have &#8220;Cat Eyes&#8221; That See in the Dark?</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Pyeron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Pyeron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am convinced that it was not pitch black, even in a dark room for film rolling there would be some seepage of light under the door from the safety lights outside. That small amount of light alone is enough for me to distinguish the sprockets on the film negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am convinced that it was not pitch black, even in a dark room for film rolling there would be some seepage of light under the door from the safety lights outside. That small amount of light alone is enough for me to distinguish the sprockets on the film negative.</p>
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		<title>By: yrag</title>
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		<dc:creator>yrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have said, out of 7 billion people, occasionally a tiny few will manifest some wonderful positive mutations, however, when the article reported that&quot;(the boy) . . .completes a writing test in a pitch-black stairwell&quot;. This is where we have a problem.

Even cats—as well as other animals with fantastic night vision cannot see where no light is available. For vision to occur SOME light needs to bounce off of objects and into even the keenest eye for there to be vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have said, out of 7 billion people, occasionally a tiny few will manifest some wonderful positive mutations, however, when the article reported that&#8221;(the boy) . . .completes a writing test in a pitch-black stairwell&#8221;. This is where we have a problem.</p>
<p>Even cats—as well as other animals with fantastic night vision cannot see where no light is available. For vision to occur SOME light needs to bounce off of objects and into even the keenest eye for there to be vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be a situation where a gene was turned off.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be a situation where a gene was turned off.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is he color-blind?  Color-blind people have a greater number of rods than color-seeing people, resulting in better night vision.  I am color-blind and have been astonished on several occasions that people I am with in a low-light environment haven&#039;t been able to see things I could see clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is he color-blind?  Color-blind people have a greater number of rods than color-seeing people, resulting in better night vision.  I am color-blind and have been astonished on several occasions that people I am with in a low-light environment haven&#8217;t been able to see things I could see clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Syera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also wondering whether it&#039;s just that blue eyes admit more light.  It might not make much of a difference, but it might be *just enough* of a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also wondering whether it&#8217;s just that blue eyes admit more light.  It might not make much of a difference, but it might be *just enough* of a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unlikely, but … what if it’s not about gaining the feature, but not having lost it? Perhaps human ancestors once had the tapetum, but a single mutation long ago broke the characteristic. And this kid just happened to get a reverse mutation that unbroke it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If human ancestors once had a tapetum, but humans went on to lose it, we should see the presence of the tapetum in some close human relatives, but we don&#039;t. No primates have a tapetum lucidum except a few species of lemurs and aye-ayes, and the evidence is more consistent with these species evolving the tapetum after they split from the lineage that went on to produce humans (and other primates).

If just a single mutation broke the characteristic in humans, then the remains of that genetic pathway would still be present in the human genome, and we should be able to identify all the genes involved, and find that all are intact except for one, and that one that is broken must be broken in such a way that a simple single-step mutation can restore it (in other words, it must be broken by a point mutation. If it were broken by a deletion, or frame-shift mutation, then it cannot be fixed by a single-step mutation.  Note that in your example of the Vitamin C pathway, there are no known cases of any human being or human relative with the same broken pathway re-evolving the intact pathway, as the broken gene is broken in an irreversible manner).

And we have already sequenced to human genome. I don&#039;t know if anyone has ever actually looked to see if there are tapetum producing gene pathways in it, but that is something we can actually go ahead and test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unlikely, but … what if it’s not about gaining the feature, but not having lost it? Perhaps human ancestors once had the tapetum, but a single mutation long ago broke the characteristic. And this kid just happened to get a reverse mutation that unbroke it.</p></blockquote>
<p>If human ancestors once had a tapetum, but humans went on to lose it, we should see the presence of the tapetum in some close human relatives, but we don&#8217;t. No primates have a tapetum lucidum except a few species of lemurs and aye-ayes, and the evidence is more consistent with these species evolving the tapetum after they split from the lineage that went on to produce humans (and other primates).</p>
<p>If just a single mutation broke the characteristic in humans, then the remains of that genetic pathway would still be present in the human genome, and we should be able to identify all the genes involved, and find that all are intact except for one, and that one that is broken must be broken in such a way that a simple single-step mutation can restore it (in other words, it must be broken by a point mutation. If it were broken by a deletion, or frame-shift mutation, then it cannot be fixed by a single-step mutation.  Note that in your example of the Vitamin C pathway, there are no known cases of any human being or human relative with the same broken pathway re-evolving the intact pathway, as the broken gene is broken in an irreversible manner).</p>
<p>And we have already sequenced to human genome. I don&#8217;t know if anyone has ever actually looked to see if there are tapetum producing gene pathways in it, but that is something we can actually go ahead and test.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see where the normal Discovery readers posted and where the slashdot jerks joined in. I&#039;m shamed to be more often from the slashdot crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see where the normal Discovery readers posted and where the slashdot jerks joined in. I&#8217;m shamed to be more often from the slashdot crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a crock.</description>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were ALL squinting in the sunlight...and in the shade too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were ALL squinting in the sunlight&#8230;and in the shade too.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they eat cats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they eat cats?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/02/02/does-a-chinese-boy-really-have-cat-eyes-that-see-in-the-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3424402</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he&#039;ll be able to drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he&#8217;ll be able to drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Innocent Bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Innocent Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could that simply comes from the diet of the boy? May be he eats a lot of blueberries or something similar? I have read stories in WW2 where British pilots ate more blueberries to improve night vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could that simply comes from the diet of the boy? May be he eats a lot of blueberries or something similar? I have read stories in WW2 where British pilots ate more blueberries to improve night vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horizontal gene transfer is far more likely to confer this type of adaptation than convergent evolution, especially if it has occurred in a single generation. A feline virus has the potential to acquire the relevant genes in a cat, then later deposit them in a human germ cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horizontal gene transfer is far more likely to confer this type of adaptation than convergent evolution, especially if it has occurred in a single generation. A feline virus has the potential to acquire the relevant genes in a cat, then later deposit them in a human germ cell.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, you know what they say: you are what you eat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, you know what they say: you are what you eat!</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there&#039;s a much simpler explanation to all of this:  blue eyes admit more light than brown eyes.  It explains squinting in the bright sunlight and his ability to see better in low light conditions--the stairwell test was described as being dim, not pitch black.  As to his eyes flashing (which isn&#039;t captured on the video), I&#039;m wondering if that was actually from him just having red eye in a photo.  
There would be a much stronger case for him having some sort of supervision if he was able to  outperform other blue-eyed people in low light.  If I&#039;m just going off of what I see in the clip, though, he&#039;s pretty normal.  Well, either that or I&#039;m ALSO a starchild/alien hybrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there&#8217;s a much simpler explanation to all of this:  blue eyes admit more light than brown eyes.  It explains squinting in the bright sunlight and his ability to see better in low light conditions&#8211;the stairwell test was described as being dim, not pitch black.  As to his eyes flashing (which isn&#8217;t captured on the video), I&#8217;m wondering if that was actually from him just having red eye in a photo.<br />
There would be a much stronger case for him having some sort of supervision if he was able to  outperform other blue-eyed people in low light.  If I&#8217;m just going off of what I see in the clip, though, he&#8217;s pretty normal.  Well, either that or I&#8217;m ALSO a starchild/alien hybrid.</p>
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		<title>By: sports therapist</title>
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		<dc:creator>sports therapist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is an opthalmologist giving lessons in evolution?</description>
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		<title>By: Bobby LaVesh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/02/02/does-a-chinese-boy-really-have-cat-eyes-that-see-in-the-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3422282</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby LaVesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off- we&#039;re assuming this is real and not some internet hoax.  It could very well be a hoax.

Assuming that it is real: there are 7 billion people on the planet.  7 billion people born- each of us have some (usually nominal) mutations to our genetic structure.

7 billion of us born- you would expect, logically, there to be some interesting mutations here and there in our population.  Whether he has found a mutation to bring back a tapetum that our ancestors once had- or if his genes have stumbled upon a similar mutation- we don&#039;t know.

We don&#039;t know his ancestors.  His ancestors may have had all the pieces of the puzzle (minus one) in their genes and it took one final mutation to get the needed &quot;ability&quot;.

Lots of animals on the planet have advanced night vision- and quite likely this ability has evolved on multiple occasions.  Certainly- the reverse has happened many times- no-one would question a mutation that causes blindness- and this has happened perhaps thousands of times in our history.

I&#039;m not saying this is real- just that we shouldn&#039;t discredit it without an investigation.  The fact that the story originated from You-tube and not a reputable news outlet makes it suspicious.  However, without a scientific look- we&#039;ll never know.

It could very well be that the genes for night vision have existed with certain people in China for many generations.  Until recently many parts of China have been isolated from Western &quot;eyes&quot;- we really don&#039;t know what&#039;s  been going on in their villages.  Who is to say he doesn&#039;t come from a long line of ancestors with augmented night vision?  He doesn&#039;t have to have had all the mutations necessary for a tapetum in one freak mutation.



One last comment- I RTA that was linked and the comment about video not capturing his eyes &quot;Flashing&quot; like they would with a tapetum- this could be explained (if this isn&#039;t a hoax) by his genes finding a different solution that doesn&#039;t glow like a cats eye- or him having an intermediate step- he doesn&#039;t have a fully formed one like a cat but has genes that make him one step more similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off- we&#8217;re assuming this is real and not some internet hoax.  It could very well be a hoax.</p>
<p>Assuming that it is real: there are 7 billion people on the planet.  7 billion people born- each of us have some (usually nominal) mutations to our genetic structure.</p>
<p>7 billion of us born- you would expect, logically, there to be some interesting mutations here and there in our population.  Whether he has found a mutation to bring back a tapetum that our ancestors once had- or if his genes have stumbled upon a similar mutation- we don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know his ancestors.  His ancestors may have had all the pieces of the puzzle (minus one) in their genes and it took one final mutation to get the needed &#8220;ability&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lots of animals on the planet have advanced night vision- and quite likely this ability has evolved on multiple occasions.  Certainly- the reverse has happened many times- no-one would question a mutation that causes blindness- and this has happened perhaps thousands of times in our history.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this is real- just that we shouldn&#8217;t discredit it without an investigation.  The fact that the story originated from You-tube and not a reputable news outlet makes it suspicious.  However, without a scientific look- we&#8217;ll never know.</p>
<p>It could very well be that the genes for night vision have existed with certain people in China for many generations.  Until recently many parts of China have been isolated from Western &#8220;eyes&#8221;- we really don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s  been going on in their villages.  Who is to say he doesn&#8217;t come from a long line of ancestors with augmented night vision?  He doesn&#8217;t have to have had all the mutations necessary for a tapetum in one freak mutation.</p>
<p>One last comment- I RTA that was linked and the comment about video not capturing his eyes &#8220;Flashing&#8221; like they would with a tapetum- this could be explained (if this isn&#8217;t a hoax) by his genes finding a different solution that doesn&#8217;t glow like a cats eye- or him having an intermediate step- he doesn&#8217;t have a fully formed one like a cat but has genes that make him one step more similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@1 Gary
I was thinking the same thing.  Actually I like to use the Vitamin C fact as a counterexample to Intelligent Design/Creationism.  Practically every other organism can make their own Vitamin C, but if humans don&#039;t eat their fruits they get scurvy.

I&#039;m sure the Chinese government will study the boy and if it really is true, they&#039;ll produce a new supersoldier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1 Gary<br />
I was thinking the same thing.  Actually I like to use the Vitamin C fact as a counterexample to Intelligent Design/Creationism.  Practically every other organism can make their own Vitamin C, but if humans don&#8217;t eat their fruits they get scurvy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the Chinese government will study the boy and if it really is true, they&#8217;ll produce a new supersoldier.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlikely, but ... what if it&#039;s not about gaining the feature, but not having lost it?  Perhaps human ancestors once had the tapetum, but a single mutation long ago broke the characteristic.  And this kid just happened to get a reverse mutation that unbroke it.

IIRC primates and parrots are the only mammals &amp; birds respectively that can not synthesize their own Vitamin C.  Primates have all of necessary steps in the enzyme chain to synthesize Vitamin C, except one.  So such things do happen.

It would be cool, but I suppose it would only work if the gene were fixed prior to fetal development!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlikely, but &#8230; what if it&#8217;s not about gaining the feature, but not having lost it?  Perhaps human ancestors once had the tapetum, but a single mutation long ago broke the characteristic.  And this kid just happened to get a reverse mutation that unbroke it.</p>
<p>IIRC primates and parrots are the only mammals &amp; birds respectively that can not synthesize their own Vitamin C.  Primates have all of necessary steps in the enzyme chain to synthesize Vitamin C, except one.  So such things do happen.</p>
<p>It would be cool, but I suppose it would only work if the gene were fixed prior to fetal development!! :)</p>
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