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	<title>Comments on: Which City Is the Musical Tastemaker for the US? Hint: Not NY or LA</title>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to ATL but you find that hip hop is not to your taste, Athens is about an hour away and is still producing some of the most interesting indie music out there.  It was also named the best city for young musicians in terms of livability, beating out Austin and Seattle for that distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to ATL but you find that hip hop is not to your taste, Athens is about an hour away and is still producing some of the most interesting indie music out there.  It was also named the best city for young musicians in terms of livability, beating out Austin and Seattle for that distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lerch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lerch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell if they compensated for duration of infatuation.  I.E. maybe Atlanta and Montreal just seem like trend setters because they don&#039;t listen to anything for long.  So even though hypothetically they&#039;re not the first in, maybe they&#039;re the first out.  Is that the same as being a trend setter, not exactly IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell if they compensated for duration of infatuation.  I.E. maybe Atlanta and Montreal just seem like trend setters because they don&#8217;t listen to anything for long.  So even though hypothetically they&#8217;re not the first in, maybe they&#8217;re the first out.  Is that the same as being a trend setter, not exactly IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMusic.FM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMusic.FM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many great music blogs and fans are based in New York and LA and other large cities, and so many people listen to music from a variety of web-based sources that aren’t logged by Last.fm. The final paragraph gets it right — this can’t be a full picture of what’s going on. And jimmyboy is right that &quot;it depends on what u call music.&quot; If you look at the entirety of the Last.fm logs, you&#039;re not separating out what becomes a hit on what medium, and in which of the growing list of hard-to-define sub-genres.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many great music blogs and fans are based in New York and LA and other large cities, and so many people listen to music from a variety of web-based sources that aren’t logged by Last.fm. The final paragraph gets it right — this can’t be a full picture of what’s going on. And jimmyboy is right that &#8220;it depends on what u call music.&#8221; If you look at the entirety of the Last.fm logs, you&#8217;re not separating out what becomes a hit on what medium, and in which of the growing list of hard-to-define sub-genres.</p>
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		<title>By: floodmouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>floodmouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike said:  &quot;This was a fun article. How can we use it to live a better life?&quot;

Unless you&#039;re in the music industry (or shopping for a music venue to attend), mostly what this does is restructures how we think about information flow.  Instead of one or two big centers, from now on there will likely be a lot of specialized nodes that may or may not be rooted in a geographic area.  Unless you were actually hoping that New Brunswick* (or New York or Berlin) is really the thought control center of the universe, this is good news because it means less central control of public opinion.  (I think so, anyway--it&#039;s early, and I haven&#039;t had any coffee.)  :)

(*Inside joke for liberal arts majors, sorry science guys.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike said:  &#8220;This was a fun article. How can we use it to live a better life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re in the music industry (or shopping for a music venue to attend), mostly what this does is restructures how we think about information flow.  Instead of one or two big centers, from now on there will likely be a lot of specialized nodes that may or may not be rooted in a geographic area.  Unless you were actually hoping that New Brunswick* (or New York or Berlin) is really the thought control center of the universe, this is good news because it means less central control of public opinion.  (I think so, anyway&#8211;it&#8217;s early, and I haven&#8217;t had any coffee.)  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(*Inside joke for liberal arts majors, sorry science guys.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stamets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stamets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a fun article. How can we use it to live a better life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a fun article. How can we use it to live a better life?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Q.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/04/17/which-city-is-the-musical-tastemaker-for-the-us-hint-not-ny-or-la/#comment-32476</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Q.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something ironic about Montreal and Toronto being trend-setting cities for the US music industry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something ironic about Montreal and Toronto being trend-setting cities for the US music industry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: brian gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a bit discouraging to see a science site using the headline used for this post.  The research is specific to lastfm users and that should be reflected in the post head.  Although, to be fair, the study authors appear to assume that because there is a large amount of data available from lastfm that it is reflective of musical listening habits of the general population.  That is, they take it to be a representative sample.  I think that is a stretch.  I am surprised you did not note this.

What is interesting about their paper is some smart and innovative ways to parse the data available.  Also, they are clear about at least this limitation to their research:

&quot;...we should stress that our results reflect a work in progress. For example, a relationship can be statistically significant but at the same time have a very small magnitude. We would be more confident of our results if we could demonstrate that the model that we create is meaningfully predictive. That is, given our model of leader-follower relationships among cities, and given a record of past listening behavior, we should be able to predict the changes in listening behavior that will occur in the near-term future better than a reasonable baseline predictor. We have not yet demonstrated that our models have this predictive power, although we plan to attempt this validation in future work.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a bit discouraging to see a science site using the headline used for this post.  The research is specific to lastfm users and that should be reflected in the post head.  Although, to be fair, the study authors appear to assume that because there is a large amount of data available from lastfm that it is reflective of musical listening habits of the general population.  That is, they take it to be a representative sample.  I think that is a stretch.  I am surprised you did not note this.</p>
<p>What is interesting about their paper is some smart and innovative ways to parse the data available.  Also, they are clear about at least this limitation to their research:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;we should stress that our results reflect a work in progress. For example, a relationship can be statistically significant but at the same time have a very small magnitude. We would be more confident of our results if we could demonstrate that the model that we create is meaningfully predictive. That is, given our model of leader-follower relationships among cities, and given a record of past listening behavior, we should be able to predict the changes in listening behavior that will occur in the near-term future better than a reasonable baseline predictor. We have not yet demonstrated that our models have this predictive power, although we plan to attempt this validation in future work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that statement was really about New Yorkers having a high opinion of themselves, but it&#039;s city where there are multiple bands playing every night in big and small venues all over the city in all 5 boroughs. Same for LA. So, one would think that would mean big influence because there&#039;s a lot more exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that statement was really about New Yorkers having a high opinion of themselves, but it&#8217;s city where there are multiple bands playing every night in big and small venues all over the city in all 5 boroughs. Same for LA. So, one would think that would mean big influence because there&#8217;s a lot more exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it depends on what u call music, nashville could also be call a musical tastemaker city (or for some no-tastemaker).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it depends on what u call music, nashville could also be call a musical tastemaker city (or for some no-tastemaker).</p>
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		<title>By: sr</title>
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		<dc:creator>sr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For proof: a completely undersold (less than 100 people) Raekwon concert in Atlanta two weeks ago.
This Atlantan thinks this is a completely idiotic paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For proof: a completely undersold (less than 100 people) Raekwon concert in Atlanta two weeks ago.<br />
This Atlantan thinks this is a completely idiotic paper.</p>
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