Comments on: New Research: Cow Pee Can Spread Antibiotic Resistance Through the Soil

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:01:04 +0000

September Amyx, you’re just trying to hijack this thread to promote your theories on raw milk vs pasturised milk.

By: bharati

bharati — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:58:08 +0000

Sure no one wants to know but ….

Of course I love milkshakes, adore any amount of ice cream, butter, and most of all plain yogurt! But I have given it up.

It was hard, seemed impossible but oh, the feeling of well-being after a few months of NO animal products was and is beyond amazing. I just did it as a personal experiment but was really astonished at the result. Not fanatic just wanted to see what would happen. Like all major changes, it was sometimes annoying, took time to understand how to do it, what to substitute, felt silly and awkward often, etc.

Folks, the result is incredible!

By: Philip Blumer

Philip Blumer — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:32:41 +0000

May I add my personal experience? I was born in 1926 on a farm and we drank raw milk. Our cows were pastured in summer but fed indoors in winter. Our cows often had mastitis; you could see the blood and pus as you finished milking. Sometimes we’d discard the contaminated milk, but mostly we didn’t.

I and my four brothers survived. However, I had frequent strep throats, and sometimes I would get very sick from them. My brothers were less susceptible, although my younger brother had some strep throats. (My uncle died of a strep infection that started in his throat.)

Perhaps one could find statistics on deaths from strep infections in the late 20s and early 30s.

By: September Amyx

September Amyx — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:49:55 +0000

@geack, what you just said is that you are experiences in what you were taught and you bought it. If your teacher had told you that mastitis was spread by organism ‘xxxx’ and therefore needed to be treated with antibiotics, then you treated with antibiotics. The problem with this is that 1. You can be made to believe lies or limitations unknowingly from your educators, who may not know they are doing the same thing, which is 2. Believing a report or research findings that are logically presented and logically sound from that. The contrived narrow focus view of reports and research is skewed, purposefully or not, the same way that new reporting is skewed, by your belief system. That’s got to be irrefutable. The othew way it’s skewed is the way the research is organized, performed, and the resulting theory or facts. I’ve been in medical research for over 15 years, and I can tell you I’ve seen research that didn’t allow for certain paramenters or action that severely affected the outcome, or maybe even made the research useless. I could only report my findings to the researchers or up my chain, I don’t know what results came out of that.
Although there are many diseases that can be contained in milk, people have been able for the most part survive despite drinking unpasteruized milk. Tuberculosis was such a horrible disease last century, that when Pasteur’s theory in application prevented the wide spread of the disease in the population. Pasteurized milk doesn’t harm people! But it is a significant co-factor in the current population’s depletion of glutathione. Pasteurization inactivates the enzymes that help people achieve the glutamine into glutathione reaction. The result is that a huge amount of natural antioxident (that was practically all the antioxident by percentage) used for maintaining health disappeared rapidly. Since glutathione repairs stress damage, The it wasn’t realized until people who had no reason or want to be unhealthy were dropping like flies. The reason was found, but it was also found that the way glutathione is produced in the body is at the end of a long string of enzymatic activity. That activity was independent of the time of consumption of food. The glutamine in the body is produced during and in the middle of an enzyme chain of processing. Glutamine taken orally isn’t recognized by the body as the same glutamine produced in that chain reaction that in the end makes the glutathione. So it’s a useless supplement, but it’s sold and no one is told the truth.
So we have a cure for a large portion of the health crises, drink raw milk. Since it didn’t harm our forefathers with the exception of tuberculosis, the only problem would be if cows had tuberculosis to pass, which they don’t. But just at the time everyone was catching on to raw milk, all of those FBI raids started on the people who were making it available. Bet you didn’t know that, even with all your experience with the production of milk. So experience is not necessarily equate with truth, or answers to problems.

By: geack

geack — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:01:17 +0000

@ 2. Krishna, That would only be a problem if cows in rural India are regularly treated with antibiotics. Are they?

@8. Chuck, Where are you getting your info? Pastured dairy cattle come up lame all the time (they’re walking around in a field, after all), and mastitis is fairly common in all nursing mammals (ask your friends’ wives). It’s not especially rare in breeding cows, even if they aren’t used for dairy production (show cattle, rodeo breeding, etc.) I’m not arguing that we’re doing things right with feedlots and antibiotics, but let’s stick to the facts.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:50:49 +0000

2. Krishna Says:

Surely you know that the main nitrogen containing molecule in urine is urea, and that this easily breaks down to ammonia? – obviously a fairly strong disinfectant.

By: Andrew W

Andrew W — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:58:35 +0000

“No, pastured cows have a very low incidence of mastitis, lameness and metritis. These are diseases related to grain fed cows and improper milking.”

Having started dairy farming 30 years ago after finishing a B Agricultural Science degree and having milked on dozens of pasture farms in that time including a couple I’ve owned, and used lots of different antibiotics on lots of sick cows, color me skeptical on your expertise.

By: Chuck Currie

Chuck Currie — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:43:59 +0000

“No, antibiotic use in dairy cattle is common throughout the world, conditions most commonly treated would be: mastitis, lameness, and metritis.”

No, pastured cows have a very low incidence of mastitis, lameness and metritis. These are diseases related to grain fed cows and improper milking.

Cheers

By: Pippa

Pippa — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:37:32 +0000

Angela,
What on earth has GMO food to do with your friends death? I am sorry to hear of his problems, but do not see any link with GMO foods at all. Antibiotic resistance in the infective organism maybe – but that is a completely different topic.
Hey band mama – feel free to get back on the soap box. I agree. And articles are getting shorter and shorter too, with lots of pretty pictures just in case we can’t read for too long.

By: Band Mamma

Band Mamma — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:27:14 +0000

Am I the only one disgusted that we’re being talked to like children? Cow pee? Cow potty? Seriously? We’re not a bunch of five year olds. Can we not grow up and use the big words, or are we such a prudish society that ‘urine’ and ‘feces’ are now taboo words?

…steps off soap box.