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	<title>Comments on: Putting the sham  in shamanic</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: DaveS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-278073</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.  I&#039;m a more recent reader of BABlog, having only been here about two years, now.  But so many people criticize Dr. Plait for including skeptical content in an &quot;astronomy blog&quot;, I think it&#039;s interesting that his THIRD posting was a skeptical posting.  So by all rights, notwithstanding the perfectly reasonable argument that it&#039;s Dr. Plait&#039;s blog and he can write about whatever the hell he wants, this IS a skeptical blog, as much as it&#039;s an astronomy blog.

Let me tell you a secret, here where nobody will read it.  I MUCH prefer the skeptical content to the astronomy content.  I like Dr. Plait&#039;s take on the skeptical world, much better than PZ or any of the others.  So, here&#039;s to BA(skeptic)Blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  I&#8217;m a more recent reader of BABlog, having only been here about two years, now.  But so many people criticize Dr. Plait for including skeptical content in an &#8220;astronomy blog&#8221;, I think it&#8217;s interesting that his THIRD posting was a skeptical posting.  So by all rights, notwithstanding the perfectly reasonable argument that it&#8217;s Dr. Plait&#8217;s blog and he can write about whatever the hell he wants, this IS a skeptical blog, as much as it&#8217;s an astronomy blog.</p>
<p>Let me tell you a secret, here where nobody will read it.  I MUCH prefer the skeptical content to the astronomy content.  I like Dr. Plait&#8217;s take on the skeptical world, much better than PZ or any of the others.  So, here&#8217;s to BA(skeptic)Blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 14.   Shane Says: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Trying to breath new life into old posts Ivan3man?&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And succeeding by the looks of it! Is there anything wrong with that? I don&#039;t think so! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 14.   Shane Says: </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Trying to breath new life into old posts Ivan3man?</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>And succeeding by the looks of it! Is there anything wrong with that? I don&#8217;t think so! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DMin</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercury in Aries!! : ) LMAO!

If you&#039;re not serious, you&#039;re amazing!
If you were serious - dude, get a freaking real life - get out of this crap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercury in Aries!! : ) LMAO!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not serious, you&#8217;re amazing!<br />
If you were serious &#8211; dude, get a freaking real life &#8211; get out of this crap!</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-157217</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to breath new life into old posts Ivan3man?
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to breath new life into old posts Ivan3man?<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ivan3man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-157216</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan3man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... the &quot;&lt;_h1-h6_&gt;&quot; HTML tags don&#039;t work here.</description>
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		<title>By: Ivan3man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-157215</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan3man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;h1&gt;Astrology sucks!&lt;/h1&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Astrology sucks!&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;h3&gt;Astrology sucks!&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;h4&gt;Astrology sucks!&lt;/h4&gt;
&lt;h5&gt;Astrology sucks!&lt;/h5&gt;
&lt;h6&gt;Astrology sucks!&lt;/h6&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<h5>Astrology sucks!</h5>
<h6>Astrology sucks!</h6>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is more to life than rationality. There are feelings, thoughts, passions, desires.... Have any of you heard of Jung? Ever heard of archetypes? Are all of that knowledge new age BS according to you rational people?

It is obvous most of the people on this blog have the mercury in Aries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is more to life than rationality. There are feelings, thoughts, passions, desires&#8230;. Have any of you heard of Jung? Ever heard of archetypes? Are all of that knowledge new age BS according to you rational people?</p>
<p>It is obvous most of the people on this blog have the mercury in Aries.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Gayley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-4185</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Gayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Seamyst, the point being made is that whenever astrology
or new-age philosophy has any meaning, the meaning derives from the way
in which it is interpreted by the listener.  In other words, the wisdom is input
by the client, not supplied by the practitioner.  So even though it may have
some value in encouraging people to introspect, it&#039;s obviously a pretty good
racket!  I suppose some might argue that so is psychology, but at least there
is a great effort there to establish reliable credentials and accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Seamyst, the point being made is that whenever astrology<br />
or new-age philosophy has any meaning, the meaning derives from the way<br />
in which it is interpreted by the listener.  In other words, the wisdom is input<br />
by the client, not supplied by the practitioner.  So even though it may have<br />
some value in encouraging people to introspect, it&#8217;s obviously a pretty good<br />
racket!  I suppose some might argue that so is psychology, but at least there<br />
is a great effort there to establish reliable credentials and accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: ElWampa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElWampa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, sure!

It&#039;s just the same old &amp; tired, meaningless, new age self help rhetoric that has been re-worded.

It makes the same amount of sense as it originally did. Just step outside the New Age loop, and you will see what we&#039;re talking about.

And just for your information. It only takes a little rationality and intelligence to be a whole and balanced individual, not this trash!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, sure!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the same old &amp; tired, meaningless, new age self help rhetoric that has been re-worded.</p>
<p>It makes the same amount of sense as it originally did. Just step outside the New Age loop, and you will see what we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>And just for your information. It only takes a little rationality and intelligence to be a whole and balanced individual, not this trash!</p>
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		<title>By: Seamyst</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-4183</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wholeness is awakening to your shadow as well as your light, balancing the upper, lower, and middle worlds, and integrating your past lineage with your future soul intention. &quot;

Actually, if you take this apart, some of it DOES make sense.  (Please note, I am agnostic.  I do NOT believe in all this.)

&quot;Wholeness&quot; - duh, being whole, being complete.
&quot;your shadow&quot; - your dark side.  This is in psychology, can&#039;t think what it&#039;s called right now.  Some people are more in tune with their dark side than others - this does NOT refer to criminal or wrong acts.
&quot;balancing the upper, lower, and middle worlds&quot; - not entirely sure on this one, except it reminds me of Tolkien&#039;s Middle Earth.
&quot;integrating ... soul intention&quot; - combining your past experiences, whether they be in this lifetime or in past lifetimes (if you believe in reincarnation) with your future dreams and goals.

So basically, this person&#039;s saying that in order to be a whole and balanced individual, you need to acknowledge and become comfortable with your dark/shadow side as well as your light side, you need to balance all parts of your life, and you need to both come to grips with your past as well as be aware of your future goals.

See?  When you translate it like that, it makes sense and isn&#039;t so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wholeness is awakening to your shadow as well as your light, balancing the upper, lower, and middle worlds, and integrating your past lineage with your future soul intention. &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, if you take this apart, some of it DOES make sense.  (Please note, I am agnostic.  I do NOT believe in all this.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Wholeness&#8221; &#8211; duh, being whole, being complete.<br />
&#8220;your shadow&#8221; &#8211; your dark side.  This is in psychology, can&#8217;t think what it&#8217;s called right now.  Some people are more in tune with their dark side than others &#8211; this does NOT refer to criminal or wrong acts.<br />
&#8220;balancing the upper, lower, and middle worlds&#8221; &#8211; not entirely sure on this one, except it reminds me of Tolkien&#8217;s Middle Earth.<br />
&#8220;integrating &#8230; soul intention&#8221; &#8211; combining your past experiences, whether they be in this lifetime or in past lifetimes (if you believe in reincarnation) with your future dreams and goals.</p>
<p>So basically, this person&#8217;s saying that in order to be a whole and balanced individual, you need to acknowledge and become comfortable with your dark/shadow side as well as your light side, you need to balance all parts of your life, and you need to both come to grips with your past as well as be aware of your future goals.</p>
<p>See?  When you translate it like that, it makes sense and isn&#8217;t so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Spaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, if it wasn&#039;t for my conscience, I would go into that business so fast...</description>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/03/15/putting-the-sham-in-shamanic/comment-page-1/#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was still a college student, the Powers That Be at our school paper decided that having just any ol&#039; horoscope was boring, so instead, we went for Mayan Cosmology.  Much of which made even less sense than that.  The other copy editor and I practically arm wrestled to see who was going to be forced to slog through it that week, trying to make some grammatical sense out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was still a college student, the Powers That Be at our school paper decided that having just any ol&#8217; horoscope was boring, so instead, we went for Mayan Cosmology.  Much of which made even less sense than that.  The other copy editor and I practically arm wrestled to see who was going to be forced to slog through it that week, trying to make some grammatical sense out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maksutov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maksutov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the result of the age-old conflict between feeling and thinking. Strong feelings are mistaken for proven facts. The mesmerizing mumbo-jumbo of rituals produces emotional reactions that, if not filtered, analyzed, and controlled, are mistaken for real results and actual occurrences.

Then, when the trance is broken, and what actually happened is coolly evaluated, the complete lack of any basis in fact becomes readily apparent. The BA&#039;s quote from &quot;Holistic Happenings&quot;, illustrates this quite well. To folks under the spell of the shaman, those words make perfect sense, but in the cold, sober light of reason, are revealed to be nonsense.

&quot;Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity in destroying itself.&quot; -- The 7th Doctor Who</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the result of the age-old conflict between feeling and thinking. Strong feelings are mistaken for proven facts. The mesmerizing mumbo-jumbo of rituals produces emotional reactions that, if not filtered, analyzed, and controlled, are mistaken for real results and actual occurrences.</p>
<p>Then, when the trance is broken, and what actually happened is coolly evaluated, the complete lack of any basis in fact becomes readily apparent. The BA&#8217;s quote from &#8220;Holistic Happenings&#8221;, illustrates this quite well. To folks under the spell of the shaman, those words make perfect sense, but in the cold, sober light of reason, are revealed to be nonsense.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity in destroying itself.&#8221; &#8212; The 7th Doctor Who</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Rochon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Rochon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astrology debunking! Great. I already read one myself, a pretty good one too, in Astronomy Magazine (December 2004 issue, &quot;The truth about astrology&quot;)

I can&#039;t believe some people believes in that... But they&#039;re happy when someone tells them they&#039;ll be happy today because Venus is somewhere in some constellation... Well, suits them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astrology debunking! Great. I already read one myself, a pretty good one too, in Astronomy Magazine (December 2004 issue, &#8220;The truth about astrology&#8221;)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe some people believes in that&#8230; But they&#8217;re happy when someone tells them they&#8217;ll be happy today because Venus is somewhere in some constellation&#8230; Well, suits them.</p>
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		<title>By: James (Doodler)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James (Doodler)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who could probably use much more qualified assistance.  A lot of people out there, a few I&#039;ve known, are so lost because of some perceived inadequacy or personal tragedy that they&#039;re easy fodder for a smooth line of spiritual jetwash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who could probably use much more qualified assistance.  A lot of people out there, a few I&#8217;ve known, are so lost because of some perceived inadequacy or personal tragedy that they&#8217;re easy fodder for a smooth line of spiritual jetwash.</p>
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		<title>By: Glom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to wonder what these gurus are thinking when they write this stuff.  Who actually believes this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to wonder what these gurus are thinking when they write this stuff.  Who actually believes this?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael AKA Mickal555</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael AKA Mickal555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, I&#039;m the first to leave a comment....
Coooool

I&#039;ll say what I said earlier:
Cool, this is going to be awesome.


I&#039;m looking forward to the astrology bashing btw...
It is the most annoying pseudo in my opinion...
Probably because so many people my age belive in it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, I&#8217;m the first to leave a comment&#8230;.<br />
Coooool</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say what I said earlier:<br />
Cool, this is going to be awesome.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the astrology bashing btw&#8230;<br />
It is the most annoying pseudo in my opinion&#8230;<br />
Probably because so many people my age belive in it&#8230;</p>
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