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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Keith McLeod</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/05/25/pseu-pseu-pseudio/comment-page-1/#comment-4810</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fraud? Liar? Ignorant? Antiscientist doesn&#039;t say enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fraud? Liar? Ignorant? Antiscientist doesn&#8217;t say enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Shevtsov</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/05/25/pseu-pseu-pseudio/comment-page-1/#comment-4809</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Shevtsov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;contrascience&quot; because &quot;anti-science&quot; just begs the one so called to start up about how passionately they love science, the search for truth, etc. &quot;Contrascience&quot; is aggressive without being accusatory. Plus, it gives you an opportunity to discuss how your opponents methods and reasoning are contrary to the scientific method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like &#8220;contrascience&#8221; because &#8220;anti-science&#8221; just begs the one so called to start up about how passionately they love science, the search for truth, etc. &#8220;Contrascience&#8221; is aggressive without being accusatory. Plus, it gives you an opportunity to discuss how your opponents methods and reasoning are contrary to the scientific method.</p>
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		<title>By: Skwirlinator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skwirlinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ponder this term
PsuedoAntiScientific = People trying to be antiscientific but just can&#039;t seem to suceed. Not quite an antiscientist, an antiscientific-apprentice. Ok, I think I had too much sugar, I&#039;ll shut up now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ponder this term<br />
PsuedoAntiScientific = People trying to be antiscientific but just can&#8217;t seem to suceed. Not quite an antiscientist, an antiscientific-apprentice. Ok, I think I had too much sugar, I&#8217;ll shut up now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Naked Ape</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/05/25/pseu-pseu-pseudio/comment-page-1/#comment-4807</link>
		<dc:creator>Naked Ape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit the nail on the head, especialy with this insight: &quot;But I suspect that to the public, this sounds more like â€œsomeone-who-is-sorta-like-a-scientistâ€?. To them, â€œpseudoâ€? might mean â€œquasiâ€?, and not â€œfalseâ€?, as it should.&quot;

I think in many minds out there in the general public, the prefix  â€œpseudoâ€? is taken to mean &quot;sort of&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit the nail on the head, especialy with this insight: &#8220;But I suspect that to the public, this sounds more like â€œsomeone-who-is-sorta-like-a-scientistâ€?. To them, â€œpseudoâ€? might mean â€œquasiâ€?, and not â€œfalseâ€?, as it should.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think in many minds out there in the general public, the prefix  â€œpseudoâ€? is taken to mean &#8220;sort of&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Delance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/05/25/pseu-pseu-pseudio/comment-page-1/#comment-4804</link>
		<dc:creator>Delance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that anti-science is broad term that includes the pseudo-scientists in questions as well as other groups. Iâ€™m not even sure of what anti-science would even mean in the light of The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

If, say, Copernicus had no scientific credibility given what was known at that time, were his contemporaries correct to dismiss his heliocentric ideas? If he couldn&#039;t prove with the means available, but was right in the end, was either side anti-science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that anti-science is broad term that includes the pseudo-scientists in questions as well as other groups. Iâ€™m not even sure of what anti-science would even mean in the light of The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.</p>
<p>If, say, Copernicus had no scientific credibility given what was known at that time, were his contemporaries correct to dismiss his heliocentric ideas? If he couldn&#8217;t prove with the means available, but was right in the end, was either side anti-science?</p>
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		<title>By: Delance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/05/25/pseu-pseu-pseudio/comment-page-1/#comment-4806</link>
		<dc:creator>Delance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell Glasser

&quot;They use the respectability of science to confer fake legitimacy on their own pet projects.&quot;

This looks a very good description actually. An attempt to give the legitimacy of science to unscientific claims is, on itself, unscientific.

For example, the debate about the design (and, perhaps most importantly, purpose) of nature or lack thereof is way outside the realm of science and belongs to philosophy. As such, to claim to have scientific proofs about this matter is an unscientific claim.

Thereâ€™s no objective standard to know how a designed or random universe should look like, or to investigate if it has a purpose. Individuals will tend to tailor standards to fit their predispositions, as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell Glasser</p>
<p>&#8220;They use the respectability of science to confer fake legitimacy on their own pet projects.&#8221;</p>
<p>This looks a very good description actually. An attempt to give the legitimacy of science to unscientific claims is, on itself, unscientific.</p>
<p>For example, the debate about the design (and, perhaps most importantly, purpose) of nature or lack thereof is way outside the realm of science and belongs to philosophy. As such, to claim to have scientific proofs about this matter is an unscientific claim.</p>
<p>Thereâ€™s no objective standard to know how a designed or random universe should look like, or to investigate if it has a purpose. Individuals will tend to tailor standards to fit their predispositions, as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/05/25/pseu-pseu-pseudio/comment-page-1/#comment-4805</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irishman, there are some additional things that you may find interesting:

The kind of words that people use to convey ideas have a huge impact on the way others view those ideas.  Most opinion polls are able to return whatever result the sponsor desires, because they set up a context with a series of questions prior to the critical ones that return the data that will be reported.  For instance, if you wanted peoples&#039; opinions on the place of science in society, you could start with questions about issues that portrayed science in a negative light (e.g. in the UK this could be about GM crops for food) or a positive one (e.g. the contributions of medical science to the wellbeing of the popultaion at large).  Since most people wish to appear to be rational, reasonable and moral, the answers they give to the &quot;scene-setting&quot; questions will influence the answers they give to the questions where you will actually report the answers.

So, the issue of framing can be a very important one in terms of the kind of feelings that people will develop towards an issue.

Having said all that, BA, you may have missed a point that could be relevant.  The term &quot;antiscientist&quot;, while fully expressing the way many of us probably feel about the perpetuators of lax thinking, sounds quite negative.  If you are perceived to be using such a negative term to refer to the other side of a debate, that could backfire: the audience may react against you for your use of negative terms when referring to the person rather than the point they make.

I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irishman, there are some additional things that you may find interesting:</p>
<p>The kind of words that people use to convey ideas have a huge impact on the way others view those ideas.  Most opinion polls are able to return whatever result the sponsor desires, because they set up a context with a series of questions prior to the critical ones that return the data that will be reported.  For instance, if you wanted peoples&#8217; opinions on the place of science in society, you could start with questions about issues that portrayed science in a negative light (e.g. in the UK this could be about GM crops for food) or a positive one (e.g. the contributions of medical science to the wellbeing of the popultaion at large).  Since most people wish to appear to be rational, reasonable and moral, the answers they give to the &#8220;scene-setting&#8221; questions will influence the answers they give to the questions where you will actually report the answers.</p>
<p>So, the issue of framing can be a very important one in terms of the kind of feelings that people will develop towards an issue.</p>
<p>Having said all that, BA, you may have missed a point that could be relevant.  The term &#8220;antiscientist&#8221;, while fully expressing the way many of us probably feel about the perpetuators of lax thinking, sounds quite negative.  If you are perceived to be using such a negative term to refer to the other side of a debate, that could backfire: the audience may react against you for your use of negative terms when referring to the person rather than the point they make.</p>
<p>I think.</p>
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