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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Fred S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pennies from heaven...

So I see from the Wikipedia site cited above that the (zinc) cent is now 2.5 gm ...

Seems to me there was an article or letter in Sky &amp; Telescope magazine back a decade or two about a similar project in a class on astronomy. The motivation was to give the kids some feel for &#039;astronomical&#039; numbers. The teacher arbitrarily (and quite reasonably) defined &#039;astronomical&#039; numbers as beginning at a million. So they collected ONE MILLION PENNIES!! I think in those days most of the pennies were copper, and I seem to recall a figure like 3.11 gm in the pre-clad era, so they had about 3 metric tons of pennies when they were done!!!

I don&#039;t recall what they did with the $10,000. Or whether the experience also taught them something about floor-loading specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pennies from heaven&#8230;</p>
<p>So I see from the Wikipedia site cited above that the (zinc) cent is now 2.5 gm &#8230;</p>
<p>Seems to me there was an article or letter in Sky &amp; Telescope magazine back a decade or two about a similar project in a class on astronomy. The motivation was to give the kids some feel for &#8216;astronomical&#8217; numbers. The teacher arbitrarily (and quite reasonably) defined &#8216;astronomical&#8217; numbers as beginning at a million. So they collected ONE MILLION PENNIES!! I think in those days most of the pennies were copper, and I seem to recall a figure like 3.11 gm in the pre-clad era, so they had about 3 metric tons of pennies when they were done!!!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall what they did with the $10,000. Or whether the experience also taught them something about floor-loading specs.</p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What greater obstacles than the Earthâ€™s gravity, the vacuum of space?&quot;
I know obstacle greater than anything else: boundaries of our universe... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What greater obstacles than the Earthâ€™s gravity, the vacuum of space?&#8221;<br />
I know obstacle greater than anything else: boundaries of our universe&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the new War Of The Worlds even have astronomy?  I think the nasties just fall out of the sky in bolts of lightning.

I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s much wrong astronomy in the novel either - I trust the discussion of orbits pre-Einstein is reasonable - except for Mars&#039;s canals and the theory of planetary formation; the solar system formed by cooling and coalescing outer edge first and inside last, so Mars is older, smarter, and meaner than we are.  On the other hand, they also consider it a good idea to travel in what appears to be a huge gun firing inert metal shells.  This would leave a thin layer of Martian jam at the rear of the shell at take-off, and then the jam would splat into the nose of the shell when they landed.  And the jam would probably be mouldy by then anyway, the time they take... wait, they don&#039;t have - .  But this isn&#039;t astronomy and it was good enough for Jules Verne.  Of course Wells&#039;s narrator isn&#039;t a scientist, so he may be misinterpreting the evidence.  Maybe the shells are plated in Cavorite.

Someone said that if the new movie aliens regularly invade planets, then they should have expected the problems that they face here.  Maybe they usually invade planets more developed than ours, that - like their own - have eliminated those problems.

Copper in money... in Britain our pocket change now uses steel coloured brown because I guess copper is too expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the new War Of The Worlds even have astronomy?  I think the nasties just fall out of the sky in bolts of lightning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s much wrong astronomy in the novel either &#8211; I trust the discussion of orbits pre-Einstein is reasonable &#8211; except for Mars&#8217;s canals and the theory of planetary formation; the solar system formed by cooling and coalescing outer edge first and inside last, so Mars is older, smarter, and meaner than we are.  On the other hand, they also consider it a good idea to travel in what appears to be a huge gun firing inert metal shells.  This would leave a thin layer of Martian jam at the rear of the shell at take-off, and then the jam would splat into the nose of the shell when they landed.  And the jam would probably be mouldy by then anyway, the time they take&#8230; wait, they don&#8217;t have &#8211; .  But this isn&#8217;t astronomy and it was good enough for Jules Verne.  Of course Wells&#8217;s narrator isn&#8217;t a scientist, so he may be misinterpreting the evidence.  Maybe the shells are plated in Cavorite.</p>
<p>Someone said that if the new movie aliens regularly invade planets, then they should have expected the problems that they face here.  Maybe they usually invade planets more developed than ours, that &#8211; like their own &#8211; have eliminated those problems.</p>
<p>Copper in money&#8230; in Britain our pocket change now uses steel coloured brown because I guess copper is too expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: JusANuttaBackYahdah</title>
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		<dc:creator>JusANuttaBackYahdah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I probably shouldn&#039;t post this cause i like to be light-hearted here....but....just once in my lifetime i&#039;d like to see one year&#039;s worth of money that&#039;s devoted towards war go to something peaceful....hell not even the money....maybe just the wasted effort of hate redirected towards the future......going deep here... but... any one of us who reads this blog on a regular basis is looking up and you not only see but understand what we see really is bigger than what we are....let&#039;s learn a lesson from the pennies and do something...contribute something to the future...gonna stop preaching now....sorry but i had to.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I probably shouldn&#8217;t post this cause i like to be light-hearted here&#8230;.but&#8230;.just once in my lifetime i&#8217;d like to see one year&#8217;s worth of money that&#8217;s devoted towards war go to something peaceful&#8230;.hell not even the money&#8230;.maybe just the wasted effort of hate redirected towards the future&#8230;&#8230;going deep here&#8230; but&#8230; any one of us who reads this blog on a regular basis is looking up and you not only see but understand what we see really is bigger than what we are&#8230;.let&#8217;s learn a lesson from the pennies and do something&#8230;contribute something to the future&#8230;gonna stop preaching now&#8230;.sorry but i had to&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I had no idea that billions of dollars were spent on medical research!  My time in the UK&#039;s university system led me to believe that life-sciences were funded to the order of hundreds of millions, spread very thinly.  And most of that was on applied, rather than fundamental, research.

Oh, wait.  I just read that comment again.  It was billions spent on medical research plus healthcare.  OK, I get it now.  Although I was under the impression that space exploration was extraordinarily expensive and also consumes billions of dollars.  I think both are worthwhile, for different reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I had no idea that billions of dollars were spent on medical research!  My time in the UK&#8217;s university system led me to believe that life-sciences were funded to the order of hundreds of millions, spread very thinly.  And most of that was on applied, rather than fundamental, research.</p>
<p>Oh, wait.  I just read that comment again.  It was billions spent on medical research plus healthcare.  OK, I get it now.  Although I was under the impression that space exploration was extraordinarily expensive and also consumes billions of dollars.  I think both are worthwhile, for different reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Of Trantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Of Trantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: velcro &amp; copper pennies

Wikipedia, folks. Know it. Love it. Use it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_%28U.S._coin%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: velcro &amp; copper pennies</p>
<p>Wikipedia, folks. Know it. Love it. Use it.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_%28U.S._coin%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_%28U.S._coin%29</a></p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the dollar amounts already being spent on healthcare and medical research, do you really think the fraction of that that is Space spending would come close to making a difference? Sure, $30 million dollars sounds like a lot until you realize it is miniscule compared to the Billions of dollars being spent on health care and research.

Whereas, taking a small portion of the budget and spending it on space provides other benefits now, things that &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; achievable.

If we waited until we solved all the health care problems (for instance) before spending anything on space (or other perceived unnecessary pure science research), we&#039;d never get around to space. We could spend the next 2 centuries and still not get around to space.  Oh look at that pretty asteroid *smack*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the dollar amounts already being spent on healthcare and medical research, do you really think the fraction of that that is Space spending would come close to making a difference? Sure, $30 million dollars sounds like a lot until you realize it is miniscule compared to the Billions of dollars being spent on health care and research.</p>
<p>Whereas, taking a small portion of the budget and spending it on space provides other benefits now, things that <i>are</i> achievable.</p>
<p>If we waited until we solved all the health care problems (for instance) before spending anything on space (or other perceived unnecessary pure science research), we&#8217;d never get around to space. We could spend the next 2 centuries and still not get around to space.  Oh look at that pretty asteroid *smack*.</p>
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